Bears on the Clock at 14, Mendenhall on the Board

[Vermont Maverick]

...and Detroit ready to pick him at 15.

Assuming the Bears are in the market for an OL.

Do you make a move up with the Bears to get Mendenhall?

According to the value chart (which I know can be argued, but we have to start somewhere), heres what it would take.

1. Cards trade #1(16 overall) and #3(81) for #1(14) and #4(110).


Why the Bears would do it: If they were looking at OL, say Otah, they would probably get him at 16 anyway, and improve their draft.

For the Cards: There are a number of good Corners, which we must pick in round 1 or 2. But the difference between Mendenhall and 2nd round RB is much greater than 1st and second round corners. We replace a 3rd round with a 4th, but keep the same number of picks. I can live with that. Take some OL or DE depth there. And Mendenhall over Stewart b/c of the injury.

Other Possibilities
2. Cards trade #1(16), #2(50) and #3(90) for #1(14), #2(44) and #6(175).
3. Cards trade #1(16) and #4(116) for #1(14).

Scenerio 2 moves us up 6 spots iin round 2, which could possibly get us Cason or Flowers, who think are pretty close to the top 4. 3rd for 6th is tough, however.

Scenerio 3 we actually have the advantage by the value chart. I like that the least however, b/c we lose a pick.

What do you guys think?

 

[football karma]

no-

if the Bears want a RB, they dont trade anyway

since they go OL, if Detroit goes Mendenhal, Stewart is there at #16

 

[Stout]

No way. It would be crazy stupid in this year's draft.

 

[DakotaCardsFan]

Of the three, the scond scenario is the most appealing to me. I'd love to see the Cards move up in the 2nd round without losing a pick.

 

[Shogun]

Hell no. Sit at 16 and take the better RB - Stewart.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

no and no...

 

[lobo]

no-

if the Bears want a RB, they dont trade anyway

since they go OL, if Detroit goes Mendenhal, Stewart is there at #16

Don't be shocked if they and of course Mcf are gone. If we go RB it just might be Jones.

 

[az jam]

No. We need all our draft picks. If both Mendenhall and Stewart are gone someone else that we like/need will be there (i.e. DBs Rodgers-Cromartie or Jenkins). We can then get a good rb in round two like Rice, Charles, or Johnson.

 

[Totally_Red]

NO. But if DRC is still there at #15, don't be surprised if Philly or Dallas trades up in front of us to grab him.

 

[lobo]

No. We need all our draft picks. If both Mendenhall and Stewart are gone someone else that we like/need will be there (i.e. DBs Rodgers-Cromartie or Jenkins). We can then get a good rb in round two like Rice, Charles, or Johnson.

My best guess, fwiw, is if the top three rb's are gone and the top three cb's are gone (assuming they are the guys cards targeted) we will go CB first...not runnig back. jenkins (although I think he is no.2) might be there, talib might also be there (if he plays a bit more under control he might fit well..he is excellent and played against very good teams.

The best case for us is we get a top 3 rb in round 1 and Flowers happens to be there in round 2. I think Flowers will go before Cason so he might be there and fall to us.

 

[BigShtank]

Take Stewart (a great consolation prize IMO), then trade up to get Cason in the 2nd if Green Bay doesn't take him. I'd give the #50 and #81 for KC's #35 and #105 to get Cason. Heck I'd do it just for KC's #35 if Cason is there.

 

[bg7brd]

If the top 3 RBs and CBs are gone then there will be a great OT available.

 

[ARZCardinals]

they recently failed with Benson...they won't be going after RB this year.

 

[BigShtank]

they recently failed with Benson...they won't be going after RB this year.

Exactly, Detroit is the only threat to take Mendenhall and I think they pass on him and go DE. Bears are taking Clady or Otah.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Take Stewart (a great consolation prize IMO), then trade up to get Cason in the 2nd if Green Bay doesn't take him. I'd give the #50 and #81 for KC's #35 and #105 to get Cason. Heck I'd do it just for KC's #35 if Cason is there.

In that scenerio, I think we might not get back the 105, so it'd have to be two-for-one. Maybe we could get a 6 or 7th rounder.

I hear a lot about Cason. I know he's local, and highly thought of. But does he fit our style? I was reading he may be more of a cover-2. I don't think our scheme is a cover 2, though I'm really not sure what we consider ourselves. It seems Flowers may be a better fit?

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Exactly, Detroit is the only threat to take Mendenhall and I think they pass on him and go DE. Bears are taking Clady or Otah.

Their RB sitution is far worse than ours. I just don't see how they could pass on probably the best player left at a position of need.

Now, of course, that does not consider the Matt Millen factor.....

 

[DaisyCutter]

In that scenerio, I think we might not get back the 105, so it'd have to be two-for-one. Maybe we could get a 6 or 7th rounder.

I hear a lot about Cason. I know he's local, and highly thought of. But does he fit our style? I was reading he may be more of a cover-2. I don't think our scheme is a cover 2, though I'm really not sure what we consider ourselves. It seems Flowers may be a better fit?

It's impossible to scout Flowers because he comes from a pressure defense. He might be DeAngelo Hall, or he might be Jimmy Williams.

Cason isn't as physical as your ideal Tampa-2 CB (which is really what Antrel Rolle is). He isn't a traditional man corner. But the Cards don't play a lot of man. They play a lot of Cover-3, where the corners drop back into deep zones with little free safety help over the top.

Cason is a great, instinctive player. He can run with all but the fastest WRs, and he excels in the off-man coverage that Rolle has struggled with for three seasons. He can read opposing WR routes, and the QB's eyes. He also has four years of experience.

Whoever drafts Antoine Cason is going to get an exceptional player and person. I hope it's the Arizona Cardinals!

 

[bg7brd]

It's impossible to scout Flowers because he comes from a pressure defense. He might be DeAngelo Hall, or he might be Jimmy Williams.

Cason isn't as physical as your ideal Tampa-2 CB (which is really what Antrel Rolle is). He isn't a traditional man corner. But the Cards don't play a lot of man. They play a lot of Cover-3, where the corners drop back into deep zones with little free safety help over the top.

Cason is a great, instinctive player. He can run with all but the fastest WRs, and he excels in the off-man coverage that Rolle has struggled with for three seasons. He can read opposing WR routes, and the QB's eyes. He also has four years of experience.

Whoever drafts Antoine Cason is going to get an exceptional player and person. I hope it's the Arizona Cardinals!

I would rather the Cards "reach" for Cason than Jones at 16.

 

[BigShtank]

It's impossible to scout Flowers because he comes from a pressure defense. He might be DeAngelo Hall, or he might be Jimmy Williams.

Cason isn't as physical as your ideal Tampa-2 CB (which is really what Antrel Rolle is). He isn't a traditional man corner. But the Cards don't play a lot of man. They play a lot of Cover-3, where the corners drop back into deep zones with little free safety help over the top.

Cason is a great, instinctive player. He can run with all but the fastest WRs, and he excels in the off-man coverage that Rolle has struggled with for three seasons. He can read opposing WR routes, and the QB's eyes. He also has four years of experience.

Whoever drafts Antoine Cason is going to get an exceptional player and person. I hope it's the Arizona Cardinals!

 

[joeshmo]

Their RB sitution is far worse than ours. I just don't see how they could pass on probably the best player left at a position of need.

Now, of course, that does not consider the Matt Millen factor.....

The beat writter for Detriot stated the Lions really like Harvey and their pass rush is jsut as bad as their run game right now. He also stated that they have Stewart higher on their chart then Mendenhall.

 

[JeffGollin]

No. We can't afford to surrender any of our 7 picks (or for that matter, tradeable players) and there figure to be 2 or 3 similarly rated players still on our board.

We are in a perfect position to play "Catcher in the Rye" (i.e. wait at the bottom of the Cliff and grab the best player on our* Top 16 board who happens to fall over).

* Our top 16 board may not closely resemble the top 16 boards of many if not most other teams because we have a different system requiring different profiled players, different scouting/drafting priorities and different needs.