Beasley toxic; team in tailspin; major shakeup?

[slinslin]

Blanks?

I think everyone realized this when he first opened his mouth.

About Beasley? He has been well liked by his teammates in his past, this team is in tailspin because they suck overall as a team and nobody reasonably expected them to win more than maybe 33 games.

When you make a committment to a young player like Beasley that was KNOWN to be a project you have to stick with it and try to develop the kid. We are REBUILDING anyway. Which is annoying is the impatience from so many people continuously running off their mouth about Beasley, certainly not helping the cause.

 

[SunsTzu]

You're probably right. This is the kind of stuff that leaks out when you're team is in shambles.

Steve

It only leaked out because the broadcasters thought they were off air, though it's far more interesting to listen to their candid insight to the team.

 

[SunsTzu]

Blanks?

I think everyone realized this when he first opened his mouth.

About Beasley? He has been well liked by his teammates in his past, this team is in tailspin because they suck overall as a team and nobody reasonably expected them to win more than maybe 33 games.

When you make a committment to a young player like Beasley that was KNOWN to be a project you have to stick with it and try to develop the kid. We are REBUILDING anyway. Which is annoying is the impatience from so many people continuously running off their mouth about Beasley, certainly not helping the cause.

Get real. This is Beasley's 5th year in the league and not only is he not showing any signs of improvement but is having by far his worst season.

 

[slinslin]

Get real. This is Beasley's 5th year in the league and not only is he not showing any signs of improvement but is having by far his worst season.

And still he is the same age as Morris.

Nash did not turn into the player he is until he was around 30. Dragic was one of the worst players in the league until recently.

The point is there is no upside to ditching Beasley because THIS TEAM IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. This is the result of the last 5 years of roster management and not a result of signing Beasley.
And the bashing of Beasley is getting annoying because it accomplishes absolutely nothing. This team would not be better without Beasley either.

This team does not have a single player on the roster that is better than average at his position.

If Beasley was not shooting so terribly he would be a pretty good offensive player already. Shooting and defense is what he has to work on and I am pretty sure these things still can be fixed.

 

[SunsTzu]

And still he is the same age as Morris.

Nash did not turn into the player he is until he was around 30. Dragic was one of the worst players in the league until recently.

The point is there is no upside to ditching Beasley because THIS TEAM IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. This is the result of the last 5 years of roster management and not a result of signing Beasley.
And the bashing of Beasley is getting annoying because it accomplishes absolutely nothing. This team would not be better without Beasley either.

This team does not have a single player on the roster that is better than average at his position.

The team would absolutely be better off without Beasley, all you need to do is watch how the team plays when he's on the court and when he's off to realize that. If the Suns could get expiring contracts for him they should jump at it.

Beasley comparing Beasley to Morris or Nash is as pointless since the situations are completely different. I could just as easily compare him to Lillard or Mayo.

 

[Phrazbit]

When you make a committment to a young player like Beasley that was KNOWN to be a awful you have to get out while you can and minimize your losses.

FTFY.

There is far more wrong with Beasley as an offensive player than just his baseline shooting percentage. Even when he scored 19 a game in Minnesota he was a net negative because he is so inefficient and how badly he stagnates the offense of the players around him.

And while it might not be a good thing for this team to be better (at the moment) they would absolutely be a much better team right now if Beasley had never set foot on the floor this season. The stats rather strongly bear that out.

I dont know that Beasley is toxic in the "team cancer" sense (but his recent media statements could not have gone over well with his teammates or coaches), but I absolutely believe him to be toxic on the court. They might like Beasley the person in the locker room and on the team plane, but the way he shakes off teammates on offense and leaves people out to dry defensively cannot be going over well with the guys out there with him and the frustration on many guys faces after Beasley has another failed iso play has been evident.

And there have been signs his previous teammates didnt love him out there. Such as Kevin Loves statement after Beasley left that the TWolves had purged "the bad blood" off the team.

 

[carey]

In a thread a while back I mentioned that Beasley's final year was only half guaranteed. People asked where I got the info because the salary sites don't list it. Well, here is Coro reporting the same thing...

He is eligible to be traded as of Saturday, but that does not mean his three-year, $18 million contract is desirable. At least the final year is only half-guaranteed, and Suns President of Basketball Operations Lon Babby did once unload a Hedo Turkoglu deal that appeared immovable.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/heatindex/articles/20121210phoenix-suns-putting-bad-bad-news.html

 

[slinslin]

http://storytellerscontracts.info/?page_id=1631

it was always reported here , most accurate page for nba contracts

 

[carey]

http://storytellerscontracts.info/?page_id=1631

it was always reported here , most accurate page for nba contracts

Well it doesn't say how much was guaranteed. So now we know.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't know why one would make that assumption. Being a player and being a GM are much different jobs. Blanks may indeed be a bad GM, but it's not because he was a bad player. That's just silly.

Yep. Danny Ferry.

 

[slinslin]

Sam Presti must have been an allstar at least.

Some usatoday article today quotes a "suns source" about the "toxic quote" saying that it is because Beasley is frustrated with his play and how his role is now what the Suns promised him.

He might have a point since in the summer he was brought in to be "the man" and the #1 option but since the first game the ball it is clear that Gentry made Dragic the man and 90% of the plays are run through Dragic while Beasley sat out the entire 4th quarter from the start.
Beasley was brought in to be the main focus of the offense, instead he was made into one of 5 options in a clueless offense that is hard to describe what kind of plays they even run.

 

[Griffin]

I don't know why one would make that assumption. Being a player and being a GM are much different jobs. Blanks may indeed be a bad GM, but it's not because he was a bad player. That's just silly.

True, unless of course his reason for being a bad player was the same as the reason why Beasley is a bad player.

 

[JCSunsfan]

By that standard MJ should be the best GM ever, Gretzky too. Apples and oranges as far as what it takes to succeed in each role.

 

[Griffin]

He might have a point since in the summer he was brought in to be "the man" and the #1 option but since the first game the ball it is clear that Gentry made Dragic the man and 90% of the plays are run through Dragic while Beasley sat out the entire 4th quarter from the start.

Dragic is the PG. You are supposed to run the offense through the PG. Beasley was given plenty of opportunities to become the #1 scoring option and didn't do much with them. The reason he is sitting out 4th quarters has nothing to do with Dragic.

 

[slinslin]

Dragic is the PG. You are supposed to run the offense through the PG. Beasley was given plenty of opportunities to become the #1 scoring option and didn't do much with them. The reason he is sitting out 4th quarters has nothing to do with Dragic.

Not really. Most championship teams did not run their offense through the PG.

Not so sure about those "plenty opportunities". The Suns offensive schemes this season are a total joke, what kind of offense are they even running? Is it the Dragic walks up the ball and tries to do something? Like Steve Nash and in the rare cases where he does not Beasley brings the ball up and tries to do something?

Dragic has been rather terrible too the last 10 games and that had nothing to with Beasley either.

Pinning the performance of this team as a whole on just Beasley is a joke.

The point is Beasley was brought in to be the main scoring option but he has gotten more than 18 shots just one time this season which happened to be a 21/15/7 game.

What is happening right now is exactly what I predicted before the season. The Suns roster has too many players who are focused on being scorers and wanting to score the ball but no player who specialize in other things. They have 4 players putting up between 11.1 - 11.6 shots per game and 3 more putting up over 7.5 shots per game and Gortat is already complaining about not getting enough shots either.

You would have figured when the Suns signed Beasley that he would average 15-17 attempts per game easily. But instead it happened what oh so often happens when you want to pair a scorer with a ball dominant PG - disaster.

Whether it is Kidd/Penny, Nash/Carter, Lin/Melo, Dragic/Beasley the list is endless and even when these pairings worked out it ususally took a long time.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Blanks?

I think everyone realized this when he first opened his mouth.

About Beasley? He has been well liked by his teammates in his past,

what? wasn't there an entire article out of Minnesota that said his teammates basically hated him?

When you make a committment to a young player like Beasley that was KNOWN to be a project you have to stick with it and try to develop the kid. We are REBUILDING anyway. Which is annoying is the impatience from so many people continuously running off their mouth about Beasley, certainly not helping the cause.

yeah... people running their mouths is the reason why Beasely sucks! not because... you know... he actually sucks and has been deemed a cancer by every team he's ever played for.

 

[Superbone]

Yep. Danny Ferry.

Ferry was three times the player Blanks was. Ferry had an average career.

 

[SweetD]

I would be open to trading Gortat, Beasley and Marshall to Toronto, for Calderon, Bargnani and a 1st round pick or Ross & Future 1st.

Calderon has one year left and we could possible play him and Dragic at same time. Bargnani has 3 years left on his deal, but can play 3-5 and we can draft 3-5 next year. Ross and Marshall both are looking bad so no clue if that has any value. But since the Suns are picking up an additional cap this year and 4-6million for Bargnani's deal a future 1st would be needed.

 

[Phrazbit]

Not really. Most championship teams did not run their offense through the PG.

Not so sure about those "plenty opportunities". The Suns offensive schemes this season are a total joke, what kind of offense are they even running? Is it the Dragic walks up the ball and tries to do something? Like Steve Nash and in the rare cases where he does not Beasley brings the ball up and tries to do something?

Dragic has been rather terrible too the last 10 games and that had nothing to with Beasley either.

Pinning the performance of this team as a whole on just Beasley is a joke.

The point is Beasley was brought in to be the main scoring option but he has gotten more than 18 shots just one time this season which happened to be a 21/15/7 game.

What is happening right now is exactly what I predicted before the season. The Suns roster has too many players who are focused on being scorers and wanting to score the ball but no player who specialize in other things. They have 4 players putting up between 11.1 - 11.6 shots per game and 3 more putting up over 7.5 shots per game and Gortat is already complaining about not getting enough shots either.

You would have figured when the Suns signed Beasley that he would average 15-17 attempts per game easily. But instead it happened what oh so often happens when you want to pair a scorer with a ball dominant PG - disaster.

Whether it is Kidd/Penny, Nash/Carter, Lin/Melo, Dragic/Beasley the list is endless and even when these pairings worked out it ususally took a long time.

What a joke... so your solution is for Beasley, who is easily the worst player on the team, to shoot MORE. Thats brilliant. Sleazley had the green light to shoot every-time he got the ball. If you think he hasnt gotten the chance to be the #1 option then you havnt been watching a the games. Even with his drastic decline in PT over the last few weeks he still has the team lead in shot attempts.

Its Dragic's fault though... Dragic, who has less shot attempts and a lower usage rate than Beasley all while scoring a lot more points. Who cares if the team sees a net 240 point swing on the year when Beasley is on/off the court, he cant be the biggest problem on the team... he has "talent".

The Timberwolves used him in the way you think he should be used Slin during the 2010-11 season, they rode him all the way to a 17-65 record while he jacked up more shots than Kevin Love. Beasley is not a "scorer", he is a shooter. Every possession he uses is one that could have been spent better somewhere else on the team, and thats been the pattern for his career.

Beasley's problem is that he sucks. The Suns were absolute idiots to make him the #1 scoring option (and he certainly has had the opportunity) unless their goal was to get the worst record in the league.

 

[95pro]

i just wish beasley would learn to take it to the rim. he needs to go around players for the shot instead of either running over them or being afraid of getting blocked. like harden for example, does a great job of maneuvering around the defender for a foul or higher percentage shot. beasley just thinks that his defender has him stopped so he pulls up for a jump shot. he literally needs to take an extra step to get to the rim, instead he puts himself in a tougher position lowering his chances of making the play.

 

[Mainstreet]

i just wish beasley would learn to take it to the rim. he needs to go around players for the shot instead of either running over them or being afraid of getting blocked. like harden for example, does a great job of maneuvering around the defender for a foul or higher percentage shot. beasley just thinks that his defender has him stopped so he pulls up for a jump shot. he literally needs to take an extra step to get to the rim, instead he puts himself in a tougher position lowering his chances of making the play.

Beasley does not like contact as I see it.

 

[Superbone]

i just wish beasley would learn to take it to the rim. he needs to go around players for the shot instead of either running over them or being afraid of getting blocked. like harden for example, does a great job of maneuvering around the defender for a foul or higher percentage shot. beasley just thinks that his defender has him stopped so he pulls up for a jump shot. he literally needs to take an extra step to get to the rim, instead he puts himself in a tougher position lowering his chances of making the play.

If he hasn't learned by now, I can't see him ever learning to make contact.

 

[95pro]

and he just needs to make his move quicker, instead of getting the ball then waiting 4 or 5secs or either dribbling for the same amount of time. just get the ball, jab step and make a decision. don't wait for the defense to set up while everyone of your teammates stands around. that kill your ball movement and your teammates' desire to make a play and it allows the D to get situated.

 

[Superbone]

I also thought he was a better ball handler. He seems to lose it often.

 

[damo]

For a guy 6-10, he certainly looks smooth with his handle and jumper, but so did Earl Clark.