Believing in Andre Roberts

[RugbyMuffin]

The article is up on the main wesbsite.

It starts:

"Even while many wondered if Andre Roberts would come around, the Cardinals ‘ coaching staff insisted he was better than was given credit."

Look Roberts has definitely improved since his rookie year. He has gained size, strength, he is a good block, and he is a good WR.

But the "trust" situation..... sorry, still not there. If it is 3rd down, and we need a first, and Roberts is open ? Not very confident he will make the catch consistently.

He did it again last week. Dropped a 3rd down pass.

It is what drives me absolutely bonkers with him and Doucet. Early Doucet is worst of the worst, cause you can throw these really nice looking stats out at people and say, "HEY! Early lead in 3rd down receptions, yada, yada, yada."

Sorry, when I think 3rd down, big play, and need a 1st. When I think of Roberts or Doucet ? I think drop.

I don't get to watch practice like the coaching staff, the fans are an ends justify the means type situation. A great practice, a poor practice? We are not let into that world. It is what happens on Sunday to us that we see, analyze, evaluate, and draw conclusions.

A new season, yes, but so far. 1 week. 1 big 3rd down drop by our "2nd best WR".

 

[Goldfield]

I don't get the impression of dropsies when I think of early or Roberts. Early played well last year, to Roberts has looked much improved this year sofar.

 

[Goldfield]

Actually I do remember the third down drop last week. But it was a pretty low pass. He still should of caught it.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

Roberts didn't drop the TD catch...

 

[Dback Jon]

Roberts didn't drop the TD catch...

Nope!!

 

[Goldfield]

And he was our leading rusher?!?!

 

[PortlandCardFan]

And he was our leading rusher?!?!

Okay.. that is just painful right there!!!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Roberts didn't drop the TD catch...

Agreed.

Just keep it going is what I am saying. Especially in the clutch.

 

[D-Dogg]

Roberts is solid. If Floyd can get that 2nd WR spot nailed down, I think Roberts will go crazy in the slot. His speed and shiftiness will kill LBs.

 

[BigRedRage]

I thought we had just fine of a #2 and #3. They can claim they did too all they want but if its true why did we spend our #1 pick on a backup WR?

PS roberts and doucet are money and dont drop a lot of third downs. In fact, it seems to me they both get us quite a bit of clutch first downs. We are seeing different guys apparently.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I thought we had just fine of a #2 and #3. They can claim they did too all they want but if its true why did we spend our #1 pick on a backup WR?

PS roberts and doucet are money and dont drop a lot of third downs. In fact, it seems to me they both get us quite a bit of clutch first downs. We are seeing different guys apparently.

Drop last week.

Drops by both in Philly last year.

Drops by both in Cincy last year.

....and that is off the top of my head, and just in the last two years.

Big big plays where they have choked. Passes that were in their hands, or catch per NFL WR standards. Housler can be added to this list as well, btw.

Gotta make the big catch in he big time situation. Getting stats in garbage time is nice for the record books, but in win/loss they mean diddly squat.

These NFL games come down to 1 or 2 plays. If I had the time to analyze these two WR's, I would really like to know how many times a Roberts/Doucet drop was the 1 of those plays that sunk this team.

But, I agree. Apparently we are seeing two different players.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Every third down is a key play, and when Early leads the League it's a real accomplishment, not some statistical yada, yada. And, I have confidence that Andre can do a steady job on third down, providing the ball isn't thrown low and behind, as it was last weekend.

 

[BigRedRage]

Drop last week.

Drops by both in Philly last year.

Drops by both in Cincy last year.

....and that is off the top of my head, and just in the last two years.

Big big plays where they have choked. Passes that were in their hands, or catch per NFL WR standards. Housler can be added to this list as well, btw.

Gotta make the big catch in he big time situation. Getting stats in garbage time is nice for the record books, but in win/loss they mean diddly squat.

These NFL games come down to 1 or 2 plays. If I had the time to analyze these two WR's, I would really like to know how many times a Roberts/Doucet drop was the 1 of those plays that sunk this team.

But, I agree. Apparently we are seeing two different players.

they drop some and catch some, they arent adav vinatieri of receivers but they arent terrible in the clutch either. Many times I have seen early and Andre catch key 22 yrd 3rd down passes.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

providing the ball isn't thrown low and behind, as it was last weekend.

Please. That's a catch you'd expect a high school WR to make.

That being said, I like Roberts, and would love Floyd to develop to the point that Roberts would be used in the Breaston role in the offense.

 

[Chopper0080]

I refuse to make any further judgements on Cardinal receivers until we have a consistently competent QB.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

thrown low and behind, as it was last weekend.

Excuses

I get what you are saying and all, but .....

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I refuse to make any further judgements on Cardinal receivers until we have a consistently competent QB.

I don't care who is throwing the ball, if it hits you in the hands, or thrown right at the numbers and the receiver drops the ball, then it is his fault.

 

[52brandon]

I don't care who is throwing the ball, if it hits you in the hands, or thrown right at the numbers and the receiver drops the ball, then it is his fault.

agreed. Peyton Manning would make him wait in the portapotty for 30 minutes

 

[Krangodnzr]

I like our group of receivers. Not as good as the Fitz-Boldin-Breaston-Urban/Doucet group, but it's better than most.

All these threads calling out Floyd are bull dunk, the guy has stud potential and once him and Fitz getting going with Wilson/Gino/Barkley/? throwing them the ball, this will be a passing game to be reckoned with.

 

[Duckjake]

I thought we had just fine of a #2 and #3. They can claim they did too all they want but if its true why did we spend our #1 pick on a backup WR?
PS roberts and doucet are money and dont drop a lot of third downs. In fact, it seems to me they both get us quite a bit of clutch first downs. We are seeing different guys apparently.

And that tells us all we need to know about how good Roberts and Doucet have been as WRs behind Fitzgerald.

By mid October Doucet should be #4.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I actually believe the Cardinals are finally using a BPA approach to the draft. Most teams really don't use BPA, which is why we're still getting panned by the Mel Kiper's of the world who really prefer Best Player Position of Need.

We needed OLB/OT, but we draft a WR? The reason? Michael Floyd was ranked much higher on their board. If you draft that way consistently, you'll always have more talent. Fill needs in free agency.

 

[52brandon]

I actually believe the Cardinals are finally using a BPA approach to the draft. Most teams really don't use BPA, which is why we're still getting panned by the Mel Kiper's of the world who really prefer Best Player Position of Need.

We needed OLB/OT, but we draft a WR? The reason? Michael Floyd was ranked much higher on their board. If you draft that way consistently, you'll always have more talent. Fill needs in free agency.

agreed. The problem thus far is Floyd hasn't looked as good as expected

 

[ASUCHRIS]

agreed. The problem thus far is Floyd hasn't looked as good as expected

And we've done a poor job of fixing problems in FA.

 

[Krangodnzr]

agreed. The problem thus far is Floyd hasn't looked as good as expected

Doesn't matter at all. First off he's playing behind three veterans. And second, he hasn't really had any opportunity. Third...look at the qbs throwing the ball. They're wretched.

BPA isn't a shortterm approach, it sacrifices filling needs for having a more talented roster.

 

[Krangodnzr]

And we've done a poor job of fixing problems in FA.

This. Our big problem now is that we still struggle to bring in good mid-tier free agents.