Believing in Andre Roberts

[Darkside]

Agree with almost all the comments but I give them a pass in FA this year, merely because the Kolb contract wrecked our salary cap. We also wanted to lock up dudes like Campbell and Dwash, which I give them a lot of credit for. That doesn't leave a lot of money for FA's when it becomes a bidding war. Most FA's are overpaid anyway, because everyone bidding on them needs that position or they wouldn't be willing to overspend.

I agree with the FO approach in drafting BPA. I don't really want a lot of overpriced FA's (whatup Joey Porter). I think you pay for it on the back end with the salary cap. I don't mind filling backup roles with FA's, but I wouldn't go there for starters. Eventually, with the BPA approach, you get quality talent at the starter positions, with reasonably priced FA backups. It's a process that takes time and patience though.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I don't care who is throwing the ball, if it hits you in the hands, or thrown right at the numbers and the receiver drops the ball, then it is his fault.

Not when a player like Vick starting his career off in Atlanta would drill a laser on a five yard dump off pass, dude had no idea what a touch pass was lol. My brother is a big Falcon fan, so I watch the Falcons often and I remember passes being drilled off the chest and hands of the potential receivers with Vick...there was no way you could catch that crazy crap at close range...one was better off having the defender attempt to catch it and then get it on a tip drill

 

[Jetstream Green]

I actually believe the Cardinals are finally using a BPA approach to the draft. Most teams really don't use BPA, which is why we're still getting panned by the Mel Kiper's of the world who really prefer Best Player Position of Need.

We needed OLB/OT, but we draft a WR? The reason? Michael Floyd was ranked much higher on their board. If you draft that way consistently, you'll always have more talent. Fill needs in free agency.

This

 

[Bodha]

Andre played great game 1. Very suprised and im thrilled for his success. Hope he keeps it up.



In all fiarness to the fans, what are we supposed to think when you draft this kid out of nobody-Citadel, and he turns out to have stone hands and a chronic case of the dropsies?

First impressions matter. And our first impression of Andre Roberts was: This guy friggin sucks.

and its nobodies fault but his own.


So of course hes going to have to work to regain his reputation.

 

[Duckjake]

I will continue to question whether Floyd was "way ahead" of at least 5 Other players that were still available. BPA is great but when you have 5 guys about equal take the one who fills a bigger need.

 

[Stout]

I will continue to question whether Floyd was "way ahead" of at least 5 Other players that were still available. BPA is great but when you have 5 guys about equal take the one who fills a bigger need.

Exactly. I'll applaud the team for sticking to its draft board and going BPA, but I will certainly argue that their draft board was grossly incorrect. We won't know how good Decastro may have been, but there were quite a few others I would have taken in front of Floyd, talent-wise.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I actually believe the Cardinals are finally using a BPA approach to the draft. Most teams really don't use BPA, which is why we're still getting panned by the Mel Kiper's of the world who really prefer Best Player Position of Need.

We needed OLB/OT, but we draft a WR? The reason? Michael Floyd was ranked much higher on their board. If you draft that way consistently, you'll always have more talent. Fill needs in free agency.

a) I'm not sure Floyd was really BPA at that point.

b) it's pretty much impossible to fill OT/OLB in free agency because good ot/olb don't hit FA... #2 WRs often do.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I will continue to question whether Floyd was "way ahead" of at least 5 Other players that were still available. BPA is great but when you have 5 guys about equal take the one who fills a bigger need.

Except it's not your list that they are going off of. Odds are that they had Floyd much higher on their board than anyone else that was left. If he pans out to be what we drafted him to be than we won't be talking about this again, but we will have to be patient and see if he gets to that level.

 

[Bodha]

I will continue to question whether Floyd was "way ahead" of at least 5 Other players that were still available. BPA is great but when you have 5 guys about equal take the one who fills a bigger need.

Who are these 5 players?



Here are all the 1st round players taken after Floyd:

Michael Brockers DT - Dont need DT. Plus hes prob a bust
Bruce Irvin DE - AZ Fans wouldve rampaged. Bust thus far. No impact
Quinton Coples DE - Thug/no work ethic. Bust
Dre Kirkpatrick CB - Article came out after draft that said he never learned to backpedal at Bama...hes a CB....
Melvin Ingram LB - Great pick
Shea McClellin DE - 4-3 DE. Not suited for our style D. Good player.
Kendall Wright WR - Floyd > Wright
Chandler Jones DE - 4-3 DE
Brandon Weeden QB -
Riley Reiff OT - Word is hes Struggling. Same as Massie
David DeCastro G - Overrated. And apparently injury prone
Dont'a Hightower LB - Role player. Not the impact player we need
Whitney Mercilus DE - Time will tell. I liked him, but we'll see
Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin B - Lots of guards in the draft. Too early
Nick Perry LB - BBBBBust. Man he sucks so far
Harrison Smith S - Who? exactly
AJ. Jenkins WR lol
Doug Martin RB - Not bad, but we had Beanie + Ryan. Both healthy
David Wilson RB - Fumbles and then cries



Melvin Ingram. And maybe Mercilus. Those are the possibly better picks. Nobody else. And its not even close.

So dont act like the Cards FO sucks and passed up on all these HOFrs'. 2 guys. and Both play the same position. With that in mind, they did good by taking Floyd.

I guarantee you in 5 years Floyd and Ingram will be the only 1st rounders not in the top 10 who are starters and making impacts on their teams.

 

[Duckjake]

Except it's not your list that they are going off of. Odds are that they had Floyd much higher on their board than anyone else that was left. If he pans out to be what we drafted him to be than we won't be talking about this again, but we will have to be patient and see if he gets to that level.

I don't care whose list it was. If they had Floyd way ahead of others still on the board I'll say they were wrong, and that there were at least 5 guys his equal or close to it And I'll continue to say that when several players of about equal talent and fit for your team are available you take the one that fills a bigger hole.

 

[Duckjake]

Who are these 5 players?



Here are all the 1st round players taken after Floyd:

Michael Brockers DT - Dont need DT. Plus hes prob a bust
Bruce Irvin DE - AZ Fans wouldve rampaged. Bust thus far. No impact
Quinton Coples DE - Thug/no work ethic. Bust
Dre Kirkpatrick CB - Article came out after draft that said he never learned to backpedal at Bama...hes a CB....
Melvin Ingram LB - Great pick
Shea McClellin DE - 4-3 DE. Not suited for our style D. Good player.
Kendall Wright WR - Floyd > Wright
Chandler Jones DE - 4-3 DE
Brandon Weeden QB -
Riley Reiff OT - Word is hes Struggling. Same as Massie
David DeCastro G - Overrated. And apparently injury prone
Dont'a Hightower LB - Role player. Not the impact player we need
Whitney Mercilus DE - Time will tell. I liked him, but we'll see
Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin B - Lots of guards in the draft. Too early
Nick Perry LB - BBBBBust. Man he sucks so far
Harrison Smith S - Who? exactly
AJ. Jenkins WR lol
Doug Martin RB - Not bad, but we had Beanie + Ryan. Both healthy
David Wilson RB - Fumbles and then cries



Melvin Ingram. And maybe Mercilus. Those are the possibly better picks. Nobody else. And its not even close.

So dont act like the Cards FO sucks and passed up on all these HOFrs'. 2 guys. and Both play the same position. With that in mind, they did good by taking Floyd.

I guarantee you in 5 years Floyd and Ingram will be the only 1st rounders not in the top 10 who are starters and making impacts on their teams.

I dont buy your takes on more than half thse players and would list De Castro, Mercilus, Ingram, Coples, and Hightower as equal to Floyd.

I can't believe Floyd hasn't even caught a pass in the NFL and you are calling him a HOF wide receiver.

 

[ajcardfan]

Who are these 5 players?



Here are all the 1st round players taken after Floyd:

Michael Brockers DT - Dont need DT. Plus hes prob a bust
Bruce Irvin DE - AZ Fans wouldve rampaged. Bust thus far. No impact
Quinton Coples DE - Thug/no work ethic. Bust
Dre Kirkpatrick CB - Article came out after draft that said he never learned to backpedal at Bama...hes a CB....
Melvin Ingram LB - Great pick
Shea McClellin DE - 4-3 DE. Not suited for our style D. Good player.
Kendall Wright WR - Floyd > Wright
Chandler Jones DE - 4-3 DE
Brandon Weeden QB -
Riley Reiff OT - Word is hes Struggling. Same as Massie
David DeCastro G - Overrated. And apparently injury prone
Dont'a Hightower LB - Role player. Not the impact player we need
Whitney Mercilus DE - Time will tell. I liked him, but we'll see
Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin B - Lots of guards in the draft. Too early
Nick Perry LB - BBBBBust. Man he sucks so far
Harrison Smith S - Who? exactly
AJ. Jenkins WR lol
Doug Martin RB - Not bad, but we had Beanie + Ryan. Both healthy
David Wilson RB - Fumbles and then cries



Melvin Ingram. And maybe Mercilus. Those are the possibly better picks. Nobody else. And its not even close.

So dont act like the Cards FO sucks and passed up on all these HOFrs'. 2 guys. and Both play the same position. With that in mind, they did good by taking Floyd.

I guarantee you in 5 years Floyd and Ingram will be the only 1st rounders not in the top 10 who are starters and making impacts on their teams.

This probably sets kind of record for homer spin on evaluating draft picks. But, I do hope you are correct. I still would've taken DeCastro myself.

 

[Cardiac]

I believe that BPA is the best philosophy. Was Floyd the clear BPA, I can't say he clearly was but NO team get's these right 100% of the time. One game into a WR's career gives us no indication on whether they were a good pick or not.

At some point a team needs to move up or down in the draft to maximize value while still addressing needs.

The Cards don't use a true BPA philosophy, they weigh their board based on need. So next year there may be some WR's that we pass on because we have enough talent and capital already invested in the position with bigger needs at Oline and OLBer.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Who are these 5 players?



Here are all the 1st round players taken after Floyd:

Michael Brockers DT - Dont need DT. Plus hes prob a bust
Bruce Irvin DE - AZ Fans wouldve rampaged. Bust thus far. No impact
Quinton Coples DE - Thug/no work ethic. Bust
Dre Kirkpatrick CB - Article came out after draft that said he never learned to backpedal at Bama...hes a CB....
Melvin Ingram LB - Great pick
Shea McClellin DE - 4-3 DE. Not suited for our style D. Good player.
Kendall Wright WR - Floyd > Wright
Chandler Jones DE - 4-3 DE
Brandon Weeden QB -
Riley Reiff OT - Word is hes Struggling. Same as Massie
David DeCastro G - Overrated. And apparently injury prone
Dont'a Hightower LB - Role player. Not the impact player we need
Whitney Mercilus DE - Time will tell. I liked him, but we'll see
Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin B - Lots of guards in the draft. Too early
Nick Perry LB - BBBBBust. Man he sucks so far
Harrison Smith S - Who? exactly
AJ. Jenkins WR lol
Doug Martin RB - Not bad, but we had Beanie + Ryan. Both healthy
David Wilson RB - Fumbles and then cries



Melvin Ingram. And maybe Mercilus. Those are the possibly better picks. Nobody else. And its not even close.

So dont act like the Cards FO sucks and passed up on all these HOFrs'. 2 guys. and Both play the same position. With that in mind, they did good by taking Floyd.

I guarantee you in 5 years Floyd and Ingram will be the only 1st rounders not in the top 10 who are starters and making impacts on their teams.

It is a few months after the draft.

I cannot see how we are pinning success of picks, but fair enough.

Hightower and Jones will prove those labels wrong by the end of the year.

Not to mention a few more.

If we were to draw a conclusion on Michael Floyd it would be

Michael Floyd - Can't learn offense fast. Drops here and there. Too many false starts. Can't beat out Early Doucet.