Bickley: Cardinals must keep strength guru John Lott

[Dback Jon]

I think Bickley reads ASFN to get his stories...

 

[conraddobler]

Geeez guys I would never want to buy a car with most of you, get him at ANY PRICE, sign him now!!!!!

This is all negotiations, it's an act folks, one side try's to play hard ball the other side responds, quit acting like this just fell off the truck yesterday, this goes on all over the NFL all the time.

Sheeesh.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

once again, please let this guy hit the open market

forget hype, the level of health the cardinals have had the past 2 years is unbelievable .... not to mention this year coming off a SB appearance (with the extra games and short offseason that come with it) and to have this few injuries is really remarkable

if the cards are dumb enough to let this guy walk then I really hope there is a private room on paul allens yacht for this guy

This. You think the Chickens could use a guy like Lott?

 

[Shane]

i like Lott and hope the Cards keep him but let's not get carried away. If he wasn't on the NFL network for the combine people wouldn't likley even know who he is, or what he's like. Also, before coming to the Cards, he was let go by Cleveland and one of the reasons was that the Browns were among the league leaders in injuries while he was there. I admit he's done a very nice job for the Cards but the guy is not irreplacable. His demands may be unreasonable as well. We don't know. I do know that i think it seems kind of strange that a strength coach would hire an agent. That,to me, hints that he is looking for big bucks. Hasn't every other coach signed an extension or renewal? That also points to him maybe over-valueing himself.

This! Lott has had stretches in the NFL like his Cleveland days where injuries were rampant and he was FIRED for it. He's not a magic worker. Luck has a lot to do with this on the NFL.

 

[40yearfan]

Geeez guys I would never want to buy a car with most of you, get him at ANY PRICE, sign him now!!!!!

This is all negotiations, it's an act folks, one side try's to play hard ball the other side responds, quit acting like this just fell off the truck yesterday, this goes on all over the NFL all the time.

Sheeesh.

Second that and on top of it, they are giving complete credence to Bickley of all people. He is always on the players side and against management. We have no idea what was offered to Lott if indeed, he did receive an offer.
Let's try to get the rest of the story before we implode.

 

[DeAnna]

I've been watching Cardinal football for nearly 40 years, this team over the past couple of years remains the healthiest I've EVER seen a team.

This could also be due to a change in players attitudes. Remember when everyone ragged on Dansby a few years ago because the "couldn't" play due to a broken pinkie?

Now, they suck it up and play on. Most likely due to Lott's influence.

Also, Whis likes to play loosey-goosey with the injury reports

 

[ajcardfan]

This! Lott has had stretches in the NFL like his Cleveland days where injuries were rampant and he was FIRED for it. He's not a magic worker. Luck has a lot to do with this on the NFL.

I bet if you ask him about what he did then and what he does now, it's not the same. Coaches can learn from their mistakes too.

Besides, Bill Belicheck failed in Cleveland too.

 

[DeAnna]

I think Bickley reads ASFN to get his stories...

Oh, I know for a fact he does. He's taken stuff verbatim off this board.

 

[Shane]

I bet if you ask him about what he did then and what he does now, it's not the same. Coaches can learn from their mistakes too.

Besides, Bill Belicheck failed in Cleveland too.

Maybe. Maybe not. But there are plenty of teams that don't go through the rash of injuries that we have endured in the past or that the Seahawks are enduring etc... Then all of of a sudden they get some here and there. I remember the seahawks being pretty damned healthy during their division champion and SB stretch. Osprey wasn't on here begging for Lott back then?

I like Lott. But if he wants to much $$$$ you let him walk. He is not irreplaceable in any way shape or form. There is no doubtbin my mind he isn't the only coach that trains with his philosophy whatever that might be.

 

[ajcardfan]

Maybe. Maybe not. But there are plenty of teams that don't go through the rash of injuries that we have endured in the past or that the Seahawks are enduring etc... Then all of of a sudden they get some here and there. I remember the seahawks being pretty damned healthy during their division champion and SB stretch. Osprey wasn't on here begging for Lott back then?

I like Lott. But if he wants to much $$$$ you let him walk. He is not irreplaceable in any way shape or form. There is no doubtbin my mind he isn't the only coach that trains with his philosophy whatever that might be.

I'm not saying give the guy the same money as Grimm or Davis. I doubt that he is expecting to be paid in that range. If he is, then yeah, he's deluded.

The truth is probably we all took the bait from Bickley and are making way too much of it.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Maybe. Maybe not. But there are plenty of teams that don't go through the rash of injuries that we have endured in the past or that the Seahawks are enduring etc... Then all of of a sudden they get some here and there. I remember the seahawks being pretty damned healthy during their division champion and SB stretch. Osprey wasn't on here begging for Lott back then?

I like Lott. But if he wants to much $$$$ you let him walk. He is not irreplaceable in any way shape or form. There is no doubtbin my mind he isn't the only coach that trains with his philosophy whatever that might be.

they haven't been healthy since the SB run and incidentally that was the only year that seattle was really healthy since the strength and conditioning coach has been there

the injury frustration is nothing new - even if the seahawks coach is a member of the strength and conditioning coach hall of fame and a 2 time strenght and conditioning coach of the year........................

 

[WildBB]

Way too many failed teams use injuries as an excuse. This years Seahawks and Rams mailed it in weeks ago.

There's a correlation between success in the NFL and many of these injuries (not all) but many more are overcome quicker or are more likely to be worked around depending on the teams' success.

Too many fans use injury's as a crutch to let the teams off the hook.

I'm like, yeah you can't argue either with current success regarding health and stamina and there's the issue of , who are the players willing to go that extra yard for - yeah it's JL.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

It's ALL speculation...

I know it gives us something to talk about but that's just it...TALK!! After being a fan for 40+ years I've learned to read the FACTS as they become available, and then re-act. A quick review...Fitz' wants TOO MUCH $$-He's going to be TRADED to the Eagles!!; Q is going to HOLD-OUT the ENTIRE season!!; Q is going to be TRADED on Draft Day!; and on and on it goes...

I'll say this...I believe that Michael B. has his fathers' ear on all things relating to Cardinal football. Do you think the Bidwill family wants to go back to being the object of dirty looks, or gestures, around town?? I SERIOUSLY doubt it! So, with Lott, and whatever other decisions need to be made...I just DON'T see them killing the Golden Goose, er, Cardinal!! HAPPY NEW YEAR, My Friends!! GO CARDS!!

 

[az1965]

LOL. Conjecture and fantasy? Fitz himself said he saved his season and career with his work. Who else do you need to hear it from?We have never been this healthy 2 years in a row. We get better as the season goes on.

No one is talking about a blank check. But he most certainly has done his job and should be paid like one of the top SC's in the game, which he unequivically is.

That's not even an argument.

Yep... he may not be irreplaceable but there is no doubt the impact he has had last two years. I hope he stays.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Oh, I know for a fact he does. He's taken stuff verbatim off this board.

Hi, Dan!

 

[Gee!]

I really don't care what Fitz says. We all know that Fitz has been singing Lott's praises for a long time now. Its not uncommon to give a shout out to your buddy etc... to try and help him out.

Fitz quite frankly has no idea why he was lucky enough to come out of that unscathed either. It is conjecture anyway you slice it. You will never have anything scientific to prove one way or the other. Fitz is genetically a physical freak and has been his whole life.

I didn't say he hasn't done his job or that he doesn't deserve to be paid. But it certainly shouldn't be an astronomical #. But he certainly isn't irreplaceable like you all make him sound.

wow.. I'll have what your drinking..

 

[Gee!]

This! Lott has had stretches in the NFL like his Cleveland days where injuries were rampant and he was FIRED for it. He's not a magic worker. Luck has a lot to do with this on the NFL.

There was no Camelback Mountain in Cleveland..

 

[Gee!]

I like Lott. But if he wants to much $$$$ you let him walk. He is not irreplaceable in any way shape or form. There is no doubtbin my mind he isn't the only coach that trains with his philosophy whatever that might be.

Why the hell would you care how much he gets paid? It isnt your money.. And it doesnt count against the cap..

I feel like Im picking on you now.. lol.. Three straight replies to you..

Just having a convo..

 

[Crazy Canuck]

This reeks of SOC and it sucks. Its obvious alot of people are watching how this gets done and just for perceptions sake, the Cards better ante up.

And Shane has been right alot on this board but he couldn't be more wrong on his stance on this. This isn't just some strength coach. That Fitzgerald testimony says more then anything I can type to attest to that.

Bidwills. PAY THE MAN. Simple. I would rather keep Lott then Dansby. THATS how important I think he is.

Why mess with success. Again you can't keep everybody but too many people have credited Lott to be lacadaisical in these negotiations. Imagine him going to the Seahawks and all of a sudden the get tons bettter just by not being as soft and being healthier. I shudder at the thought.

If they don't pay Lott, how far are they lowballing a guy like Wiz. Apples and Oranges maybe, but I hate to think the Bidwills would get cocky at a time like this. Take Graves money and give it to Lott and Kiem. Please.

You were making an effective case without this gratuitous silliness.

 

[gnomepete]

I like Lott. But if he wants to much $$$$ you let him walk. He is not irreplaceable in any way shape or form.

I don't disagree with what you're saying theoretically, but since (as other people have pointed out) the players buy into what Lott is saying and put in that little bit more, I think that makes him worth a bit more than someone else.

Draftees see him at the combine, then hear Pro Bowlers like Fitz rave about him . . . They're gonna LISTEN to him instead of tuning him out. That makes him more effective than most.

Pay him $1M? No thanks, but pay him what he is really worth - to the Cards!


Pete

 

[English on tour]

noticed this time and time again last season and this what a popular guy he is. His passion on the touch line looks like it spreads too.

We also need to look at how few injuries we have had.

Pay the man i say.

 

[Cards Czar]

Why the hell would you care how much he gets paid? It isnt your money.. And it doesnt count against the cap..

I feel like Im picking on you now.. lol.. Three straight replies to you..

Just having a convo..

Just keep doing it. Just saying.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You were making an effective case without this gratuitous silliness.

I don't know if I made this clear but I am of the opnion that we would keep on trucking without good ol' Rod. You can disagree if you like.

I don't see him as the impetus behind Wiz being hired (Mike B), as the brains behind our drafts (Wiz and Kiem), or our new found success on the field (Wiz).

Just my opinion but I think his track record prior to Wiz speaks for itself. And if he left as long as the people mentioned above stayed I can't think of one capacity where we would suffer.

Can you?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Why the hell would you care how much he gets paid? It isnt your money.. And it doesnt count against the cap..

Yup

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I don't know if I made this clear but I am of the opnion that we would keep on trucking without good ol' Rod. You can disagree if you like.

I don't see him as the impetus behind Wiz being hired (Mike B), as the brains behind our drafts (Wiz and Kiem), or our new found success on the field (Wiz).

Just my opinion but I think his track record prior to Wiz speaks for itself. And if he left as long as the people mentioned above stayed I can't think of one capacity where we would suffer.

Can you?

As you said... just your opinion.

Not being in the Cards FO, I don't have a true first hand view, so I limit mine to the simple, undeniable fact that Rod has been part of a team that brought winning football to AZ over the past three years. And, I mildly suspect, he'll be here a long time to your evident chagrin.