Bickley - It's time for Boldin's pity party to end

[moklerman]

I come from an era where a contract is a contract. If both parties want to enter into a agreement to renegotiate a contract that is fine but for either party to just up and demand a new contract generally makes no sense in the real world. Perhaps in todays world but no in my world. Grown men with agents who are often lawyers draw up these contracts and both parties sign them. Has a team ever demanded a player play for less and screem to the public when he want take less.

I agree with your sentiment but your last point does happen quite a bit in that teams just cut high contract/salary cap players.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I come from an era where a contract is a contract. If both parties want to enter into a agreement to renegotiate a contract that is fine but for either party to just up and demand a new contract generally makes no sense in the real world. Perhaps in todays world but no in my world. Grown men with agents who are often lawyers draw up these contracts and both parties sign them. Has a team ever demanded a player play for less and screem to the public when he want take less.

With respect (and my business is law) this so called era never existed.

There's never been a contract that could not be questioned and re-negotiated.

It happens every day in every walk of business.

 

[joeshmo]

The Cards re-upped both of them as a solid investment in the future, not out of the goodness of the hearts.

It is generally agreed that Boldin is grossly underpaid in the present market, and only the tackle who just signed for $100M has more sacks than DD in the past two seasons. One more to be exact.

Granted, it is too early to redo DD, but... Boldin is certainly close to the due date.

Apparently both pl;ayers thought it was a solid investment in the future as well since its their signatures on the contract, and they deposited their signing bonus checks into their bank accounts.

And if both players want to be paid fair market value every single season, then only sign short term deals, because getting fair market value in every year of your long term deal is impossible, even Haynesworth wont be getting paid fair market value in year 3,4, or 5 of his deal.

Players have two options - get the huge money of fair market deals by signing short term (where you will make way more money over the life of your career if you stay healthy), or the security of long term deals and the big signing bonus check. Players cant have it both ways, but it doesnt stop them and their agents from trying and nine times out of 10 failing at that plan.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Apparently both pl;ayers thought it was a solid investment in the future as well since its their signatures on the contract, and they deposited their signing bonus checks into their bank accounts.

And if both players want to be paid fair market value every single season, then only sign short term deals, because getting fair market value in every year of your long term deal is impossible, even Haynesworth wont be getting paid fair market value in year 3,4, or 5 of his deal.

Players have two options - get the huge money of fair market deals by signing short term (where you will make way more money over the life of your career if you stay healthy), or the security of long term deals and the big signing bonus check. Players cant have it both ways, but it doesnt stop them and their agents from trying and nine times out of 10 failing at that plan.

Well, no doubt there's a bit of "having one's cake and eating it too" in the Boldin and DD approach, but, I wouldn't be too quick to say that they can't have it both ways.

Would you consider Boldin getting a new deal, at this point, falling in that category?

Both parties seemingly do agree that Q is presently under valued, and the question is simply by how much and how this should be structured.

 

[Duckjake]

Apparently both pl;ayers thought it was a solid investment in the future as well since its their signatures on the contract, and they deposited their signing bonus checks into their bank accounts.

And if both players want to be paid fair market value every single season, then only sign short term deals, because getting fair market value in every year of your long term deal is impossible, even Haynesworth wont be getting paid fair market value in year 3,4, or 5 of his deal.

Players have two options - get the huge money of fair market deals by signing short term (where you will make way more money over the life of your career if you stay healthy), or the security of long term deals and the big signing bonus check. Players cant have it both ways, but it doesnt stop them and their agents from trying and nine times out of 10 failing at that plan.

But Joe doesn't the way the NFL treats signing bonuses make short term deals with guaranteed money for younger players hard to do? Teams have to be able to spread the signing bonus over time to mitigate the cap hit right?

BTW: What's the difference in the roster bonus the Cards were using with a couple of players in the past and the signing bonus? I'll hang up and listen.