Bickley: Negative Valley fans have ideal target in Cards

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http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0504bickley0504.html

Negative Valley fans have ideal target in Cards

Dan Bickley
The Arizona Republic
May. 4, 2003 12:00 AM


There are basic phrases every sports fan can grasp.

More beer. Kill the ump. He makes how much?

And, of course, the two words that serve as the lowest common denominator for even the most concussed or irrational observers:

You suck!

The Cardinals don't know this, but they have more fans at their disposal than any other team in the Valley. If they had any clue, they'd be suing someone for lost revenue.

It's true. If you know nothing else about our sporting landscape, you know about the Cardinals' ineptitude. You're in on the joke. Even if you've spent the past six years in a cave, you can confidently state an opinion about their current state of affairs.

It will sound very much like those two aforementioned words.

Arizonans have long been castigated for a general lack of passion toward their athletic teams, but this is not entirely true. There is great negative energy within our midst. Even Arizona State basketball coach Rob Evans pointed this out during the NCAA Tournament, how quick we are to jump on the ugly.

It's who we are, and no team fills this need like the Cardinals. They're one of our great common denominators as a populace.

On Saturday, a horde of curious people showed up for the Cardinals' annual fan fest. They flocked to Emmitt Smith, who really does appear out of place. It's as if Keith Richards showed up and decided to play with a Tempe garage band.

Still, there is an increased buzz about this team, if only because it looks so different. There are a multitude of new faces and a slate wiped clean. There are very few grudges stretching into another season.

But with this team, we can turn quicker than a Ferrari, and for proof, see the tire tracks on the back of Rod Graves, vice president of football operations.

By not selecting ASU's Terrell Suggs, by authoring a draft from Who-ville, he muted all the excitement that accompanied a very good class of free-agent acquisitions. Even the normally unflappable Graves, who has honed a cool image while working for two of the worst family businesses in the NFL, seemed shaken by the instant mob.

Granted, the civic reaction was absurd. The NFL draft is the biggest shell game in sports. Busts run rampant and the best players are often plucked in lower rounds. While I believe the Cardinals were silly to pass on Suggs and that Graves gave up too much to trade down, there are countless history lessons that caution against premature judgment.

Of all people, Cardinals fans should know all that glitters is often nothing more than Andre Wadsworth. Yet when the draft picks were announced, fans left the team's draft party in droves and filled talk shows with rage.

Those two words all over again.

It is interesting that ASU Athletic Director Gene Smith, stuck with a $21 million lawsuit from the Cardinals over lost signage revenue, has conveniently tapped into this phenomenon. In a gratuitous swipe at the organization, he said he felt sorry for coach Dave McGinnis and happy that Suggs and Jake Plummer won't have to deal with such a franchise.

Right or wrong, Smith knows that the Cardinals never win in the court of public opinion.

So a quick reminder to Graves and all these fresh faces in camp: When the mood turns ugly, try not to take it personally.

It's simply the bill for a sad history coming due. Until that history changes, the angst is always lurking around the corner. Getting worse with each passing year.
 

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Bordow and Bickley coming to the Cardinals defense? News articles in the local papers actually defending the Cardinals? Am I still living in Arizona?<p>These questions and more will be answered in the coming months. Stay tuned for further developments.:D
 

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It is interesting that ASU Athletic Director Gene Smith, stuck with a $21 million lawsuit from the Cardinals over lost signage revenue, has conveniently tapped into this phenomenon.
 

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Originally posted by WizardOfAz
It is interesting that ASU Athletic Director Gene Smith, stuck with a $21 million lawsuit from the Cardinals over lost signage revenue, has conveniently tapped into this phenomenon.

Of course, part of the problem is the media has asked Smith no tough questions about ASU's end of this mess. And, Mike Bidwill didn't explain why they didn't take ASU's offer to participate in the selling of the signage, which makes the Bidwills look like gravy sucking pigs.

Whatever money they get out of ASU, is not going to be worth it in the long run.
 

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Originally posted by ajcardfan
Of course, part of the problem is the media has asked Smith no tough questions about ASU's end of this mess. And, Mike Bidwill didn't explain why they didn't take ASU's offer to participate in the selling of the signage, which makes the Bidwills look like gravy sucking pigs.

Whatever money they get out of ASU, is not going to be worth it in the long run.

I personally disagree. its a matter of principle AJ ASU has madeout on the coat tails of the Cardinals. Anybody knows that 21 million is chump change compared to the amount of money that school has made via the Cards.

If the Cards win the fans will be there no matter what and nobody will even remember this lwasuit in the long run!
 

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Originally posted by Shane H
I personally disagree. its a matter of principle AJ ASU has madeout on the coat tails of the Cardinals. Anybody knows that 21 million is chump change compared to the amount of money that school has made via the Cards.

If the Cards win the fans will be there no matter what and nobody will even remember this lwasuit in the long run!

I have to agree with AJ. The feeling throughout the Valley, is that the Cards suck, don't care about winning, and are greedy.

ASU is perceived as a "real" hometown team and a favorite with many of the fans in the valley. The Cards are losing, and will lose the PR battle in the longrun.

To many people, this lawsuit proves that the general perception of many are correct, and that Cards are just greedy. As an ASU student, I do agree that ASU owes the Cards and should pay up, but that isn't the popular opinion.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I have to agree with AJ. The feeling throughout the Valley, is that the Cards suck, don't care about winning, and are greedy.

ASU is perceived as a "real" hometown team and a favorite with many of the fans in the valley. The Cards are losing, and will lose the PR battle in the longrun.

To many people, this lawsuit proves that the general perception of many are correct, and that Cards are just greedy. As an ASU student, I do agree that ASU owes the Cards and should pay up, but that isn't the popular opinion.

Those peoples perceptions will be thrown right out the window and they would be sitting there butts in Sun Devil stadium should the Cards go 11-5 and be in the playoffs!

Sorry but like I said its about the principle ASU should pay! Sometimes you need to do what isnt popular even if does set you back a bit!
 

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Originally posted by Shane H
Those peoples perceptions will be thrown right out the window and they would be sitting there butts in Sun Devil stadium should the Cards go 11-5 and be in the playoffs!

Sorry but like I said its about the principle ASU should pay! Sometimes you need to do what isnt popular even if does set you back a bit!

Well, the thing is Shane.....one 11-5 season won't erase all the bad will this team faces in the valley. IF I were to take a poll of the people here, most would say that they didn't like the Cards.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Well, the thing is Shane.....one 11-5 season won't erase all the bad will this team faces in the valley. IF I were to take a poll of the people here, most would say that they didn't like the Cards.

And I still say that if you were to take that same poll after an 11-5 season and a run to the NFC championship game 80% of those people you polled and stated they hated the Cards would be like "oh we love them they are great thats our team"
 

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Originally posted by Shane H
I personally disagree. its a matter of principle AJ ASU has madeout on the coat tails of the Cardinals. Anybody knows that 21 million is chump change compared to the amount of money that school has made via the Cards.

If the Cards win the fans will be there no matter what and nobody will even remember this lwasuit in the long run!

Just curious,what facts do you have to say that ASU has made over 21 mil on "The coat tails"of the Cardinals?
 

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Originally posted by CatBoxBackFan
Just curious,what facts do you have to say that ASU has made over 21 mil on "The coat tails"of the Cardinals?

I dont need facts its simple economics!

Fist and foremost how much would you say the improvements to SDS cost? I would be willing to bet that those improvements which ASU directly benefitted from were close if not over 21 million all by themselves!

15 years worth of parking revenues 15 years worth of advertising revenues 15 years worth of concession revenues all of which ASU gets a nice chunk of?

If you in your right mind think that all of that only comes up to 6 million dollars then you are smoking the same crack the ASU officials who are trying to make you belive that!

Thats not even mentioning the rent the Cards pay ASU as well!

Heck even the arbitrator ruled for the Cards who are seeking between 12 and 21 million dollars which would be there chunk from the advertising banners alone and thats only since 1999!

ASU has made loads of money on the coat tails of the Cardinals that is fact wether you would choose to believe that or not!
 

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I think ASU is still pissed that the Cardinals are getting thier stadium. Lets see how much ASU loses when the Cardinals leave, do you think it will be close to 6 million a year?! I think it'll be a little more than that.
 

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Originally posted by az643dp
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0504bickley0504.html

Negative Valley fans have ideal target in Cards

Dan Bickley
The Arizona Republic
May. 4, 2003 12:00 AM


There are basic phrases every sports fan can grasp.

More beer. Kill the ump. He makes how much?

And, of course, the two words that serve as the lowest common denominator for even the most concussed or irrational observers:

You suck!

The Cardinals don't know this, but they have more fans at their disposal than any other team in the Valley. If they had any clue, they'd be suing someone for lost revenue.

It's true. If you know nothing else about our sporting landscape, you know about the Cardinals' ineptitude. You're in on the joke. Even if you've spent the past six years in a cave, you can confidently state an opinion about their current state of affairs.

It will sound very much like those two aforementioned words.

Arizonans have long been castigated for a general lack of passion toward their athletic teams, but this is not entirely true. There is great negative energy within our midst. Even Arizona State basketball coach Rob Evans pointed this out during the NCAA Tournament, how quick we are to jump on the ugly.

It's who we are, and no team fills this need like the Cardinals. They're one of our great common denominators as a populace.

On Saturday, a horde of curious people showed up for the Cardinals' annual fan fest. They flocked to Emmitt Smith, who really does appear out of place. It's as if Keith Richards showed up and decided to play with a Tempe garage band.

Still, there is an increased buzz about this team, if only because it looks so different. There are a multitude of new faces and a slate wiped clean. There are very few grudges stretching into another season.

But with this team, we can turn quicker than a Ferrari, and for proof, see the tire tracks on the back of Rod Graves, vice president of football operations.

By not selecting ASU's Terrell Suggs, by authoring a draft from Who-ville, he muted all the excitement that accompanied a very good class of free-agent acquisitions. Even the normally unflappable Graves, who has honed a cool image while working for two of the worst family businesses in the NFL, seemed shaken by the instant mob.

Granted, the civic reaction was absurd. The NFL draft is the biggest shell game in sports. Busts run rampant and the best players are often plucked in lower rounds. While I believe the Cardinals were silly to pass on Suggs and that Graves gave up too much to trade down, there are countless history lessons that caution against premature judgment.

Of all people, Cardinals fans should know all that glitters is often nothing more than Andre Wadsworth. Yet when the draft picks were announced, fans left the team's draft party in droves and filled talk shows with rage.

Those two words all over again.

It is interesting that ASU Athletic Director Gene Smith, stuck with a $21 million lawsuit from the Cardinals over lost signage revenue, has conveniently tapped into this phenomenon. In a gratuitous swipe at the organization, he said he felt sorry for coach Dave McGinnis and happy that Suggs and Jake Plummer won't have to deal with such a franchise.

Right or wrong, Smith knows that the Cardinals never win in the court of public opinion.

So a quick reminder to Graves and all these fresh faces in camp: When the mood turns ugly, try not to take it personally.

It's simply the bill for a sad history coming due. Until that history changes, the angst is always lurking around the corner. Getting worse with each passing year.

My Cubs have a history that may be worse than the Cards. They were last in the World Series in 1945. The people keep coming win or lose and it is not just to see the ancient park. Dads take their familes to games as they growup and then these kids take their kids when they grow up. This year I think we will still be in the hunt in September. We have to good a pitching staff to go into a long nose dive including young guys who get it up there at near 100mph in Wood,Prior,Clement, and Zambrano. Your Airizona catcher has stabalized our catching (Miller) and Baker has brought a new attitude to the team. Next weekend the Cards and Cubs tangle and they are currently tied for 1st.
 

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Originally posted by Shane H
Those peoples perceptions will be thrown right out the window and they would be sitting there butts in Sun Devil stadium should the Cards go 11-5 and be in the playoffs!

Sorry but like I said its about the principle ASU should pay! Sometimes you need to do what isnt popular even if does set you back a bit!

You may be right, but the Arizona Cardinals aren't going to go 11-5 anytime soon. Even if they did somehow go 11-5 most fans and Valley residents would be expecting the Bidwills to screw things up by the following season.. I think you underestimate how much the average person here dislikes the Bidwills and the Arizona Cardinals.

Joe Mama
 

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remind me again of how much rent the Cards have paid for the stadium the last few years.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but those stadium improvements helped the Cards and the Cards fans also.
 

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Originally posted by brews
remind me again of how much rent the Cards have paid for the stadium the last few years.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but those stadium improvements helped the Cards and the Cards fans also.

And whats your point? The bottom line is while the Cards fans may have benefitted. The stadium is still owned by ASU and they didnt have to pay a dime for the improvements!

Cards fans should benefit the Cards are the ones who forked out the dough!

Joe Mama,

I dont underestimate it at all the simple fact is that if they win those same people that hate them will be firmly in there corner if they win so in other words 80% are hypocrites!
 
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Originally posted by Shane H
And whats your point? The bottom line is while the Cards fans may have benefitted. The stadium is still owned by ASU and they didnt have to pay a dime for the improvements!

Cards fans should benefit the Cards are the ones who forked out the dough!

THe Cards are saying that they want some of the advertising revenue. They didn't "fork out" any dough. They want in after they gave up on an offer to split the revenue. The Cards complained for years that the stadium wasn't up to NFL standards, often siting no replay screens. ASU used the revenue from the increased advertising to pay for the replay screens, and now the Cards want a cut of the revenue.

I'm not an ASU alum, and have only been to a few games, and go to a lot more Cards games. I'm more of a Cards fan than an ASU fan, but think the Cards are way out of line on this one. The taxpayers are already helping to build a stadium for the Cards, where do they think this money is going to come from (aside from the sports/jobs ASU will have to cut)?
 

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Originally posted by brews
THe Cards are saying that they want some of the advertising revenue. They didn't "fork out" any dough. They want in after they gave up on an offer to split the revenue. The Cards complained for years that the stadium wasn't up to NFL standards, often siting no replay screens. ASU used the revenue from the increased advertising to pay for the replay screens, and now the Cards want a cut of the revenue.

I'm not an ASU alum, and have only been to a few games, and go to a lot more Cards games. I'm more of a Cards fan than an ASU fan, but think the Cards are way out of line on this one. The taxpayers are already helping to build a stadium for the Cards, where do they think this money is going to come from (aside from the sports/jobs ASU will have to cut)?

Ok so once again why should the Cards worry about ASUs mismanagement? Is it there problem the athletic dept. at ASU is in the red? ASU mad a deal plain and simple and they renigged on that deal shame on them!! Just because its a school for learning we should feel sorry for them especailly when they have made millions upon millions off the coat tails of the Cards? Your probably one of the same people that would be totally for ASU had they been the ones suing the Cards?

Replay screens would have been put in wther the Cards werethere or not IMO its called getting in the 20th century and they are a major division 1 school!
 

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I may need to research this but one of the best grass fields in the NFL was created by the Cards putting a few million dollars into ASU. Also for those who remember the "moat" around the field (1988-1991) the Cards spearheaded & paid for its removal. I remember hearing something around 11 million dollars. Just for that....
 

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