Billy Davis needs to be fired

[conraddobler]

DG had a MONSTER 2004 draft. Possibly one of the greatest drafts of all time (for ANY team) but weren't our drafts the next two years complete and utter busts for the most parts?

2005 was bad but still has one player in the leauge, 2006 was pretty average, with 4 players still in the league.

It's tough to judge it fairly as a HC change means they'll turn over the roster, if you aren't going for the same types of players.

Overall he's above average easily IMO.

However he brought in Kurt Warner too, so the FA signings were better by far.

 

[binkar]

We have one who won a Super Bowl" Whiz!

Whiz is our head coach. There is a reason every other team in the NFL has an offensive coordinator. I find it puzzling that we think we don't need one, or think that it's better to have 2, depending on how you look at it.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Whiz is our head coach. There is a reason every other team in the NFL has an offensive coordinator. I find it puzzling that we think we don't need one, or think that it's better to have 2, depending on how you look at it.

The are "o" coordinators in name alone. Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy and Norv Turner make "O" calls.

 

[Russ Smith]

Thats always been Porters weakness. Most of those rushing yards came off the weakside edge on #55 & #58.

Early in the game on radio Wolfley said Atlanta was attacking Daryl Washington to see if he could hold up at the point of attack. Later in the same half he elaborated on the comment and said look what they're doing is attacking the OLB (Porter) and seeing if the ILB(Washington) is stout enough to come up and make the play before the back gets the edge.

At the half on radio they were saying it was really a combo of Porter has never been a good run defender, and Washington is a rookie, so you run at Porter assuming Washington is a guy who can run all day, but has trouble with people coming right at him. I didn't see the first half so I didn't see all the action but Wolfley seemed to be saying they were targetting both guys. Wolfley really likes Washington by the way.

So the interesting thing to me is if Davis is the problem and the cards change DC's, do we have to bring in another 3-4 guy? If we switched back to the 4-3 how many of core guys fit? Can Dockett play DE in a 4-3, if not can he move back inside. Can Dan Williams play DT in a 4-3 or are he and Gabe strictly NT's. Honestly looking at us the 2 guys I see and say yeah they can play the 4-3 are Campbell and Iwebema.

At LB Washington can play outside in a 4-3 but I don't think we have a guy on the roster who can be a MLB because I don't trust Hayes' back anymore.

I really think if we changed DC's, we'd almost have to bring in another 3-4 guy.

 

[binkar]

The are "o" coordinators in name alone. Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy and Norv Turner make "O" calls.

So you think they have zero responsibility? They just pay them cause it's cute and nice to do? There is still a reason they have O coordinators regardless of who calls the plays.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

So you think they have zero responsibility? They just pay them cause it's cute and nice to do? There is still a reason they have O coordinators regardless of who calls the plays.

We have these guys to do the "cute" work":

Assistant Head Coach/Run Game Coordinator/Offensive Line – Russ Grimm

* Passing Game Coordinator – Mike Miller
* Quarterbacks – Chris Miller
* Running Backs – Tommie Robinson
* Wide Receivers – John McNulty
* Tight Ends – Freddie Kitchens
* Offensive Quality Control – Chad Grimm

 

[kerouac9]

Bill Davis has not started this season very well. We have talent, but can't seem to generate a pass rush or stop the run. Not good.

Can we say right now we have talent? At the pass rushing position, especially? Or in run support. We're really small at all four LB positions, and that's not going to change this season.

Keep an eye out for Greg Manusky on the 49ers. If the 49ers blow this year than he could very well be fired.

If the 49ers blow this year Manusky will probably be the new head coach. That guy's done a fantastic job the past few years and was the best head coching decision that Mike Singletary has made. I think he's going to be a head coach in this league very, very soon.

It is a defensive coordinators jobs to generate a pass rush if he doesn't have the personnel to get one with his front 4 (in our case 3 + Porter). What Bill Davis has failed to do is bring enough players to allow either Campbell or Dockett to get a single match up. Because of this we are essentially rushing 2, with a NT inside who doesn't rush, and Porter being pretty ineffective. This allows QB's to attack our weakness which is linebackers in coverage and our secondary depth.

If we are copying a Steelers defense, then Bill Davis better start learning the overload blitz, because otherwise you can't run an effective 3-4 defense.

When Darnell Dockett is getting double- and triple-teamed (and he is), I don't know how you can put it on Davis if Joey Porter or Calais Campbell or Bryan Robinson can't get off single blocking and make a play. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that we don't have a pass rusher on this team right now. Smart teams don't let effective pass rushers just walk away--just dumb ones like the Kansas City Chiefs.

You're right that it's disturbing to see how ineffective our blitz packages are. Clancy Pendergast would give up some BIG passing plays when he blitzed, but at least the QB ended up on his back. The pressure packages this weekend were sad.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Clancy Pendergast got the most out of what he had. But alas, Ken wanted any reason to get rid of him because he wasn't his boy, so instead of having the guy who helped lead our team to the Super Bowl as DC, we have a guy who stunk it up in San Francisco as our DC. Bill Davis sucks, plain and simple. Just another bad move by Whizzy. Par for the course.

Under Denny, the defense played well. Keeping Clancy provided much needed consistency during the coaching change.

Whisenhunt benefited greatly by Green's personnel moves. Now that Ken has his fingers all over the team, the Cardinals are tanking. No shock. Anquan Boldin and Karlos Dansby were 2nd round picks, Dockett a 3rd. Antonio Smith was a 6th round pick. Already we have seen Whiz cut a 3rd round pick out of training camp and a 2nd rounder one year removed. We have seen him waste picks on feel good stories like Skelton who won't see the field for years if ever, when he could have drafted areas of need instead. Levi Brown over Adrian Peterson, moving up to get Branch....list goes on and on and on. Whisenhunt gets an F for drafting and you can't fail year after year and expect to maintain long term success.

Whisenhunt's player personnel moves are killing this team off slowly but surely. We won't see the full impact for a few years but by then his butt will get canned and as Jay Z says "On to the next one."

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Clancy Pendergast got the most out of what he had. But alas, Ken wanted any reason to get rid of him because he wasn't his boy, so instead of having the guy who helped lead our team to the Super Bowl as DC, we have a guy who stunk it up in San Francisco as our DC. Bill Davis sucks, plain and simple. Just another bad move by Whizzy. Par for the course.

Under Denny, the defense played well. Keeping Clancy provided much needed consistency during the coaching change.

Whisenhunt benefited greatly by Green's personnel moves. Now that Ken has his fingers all over the team, the Cardinals are tanking. No shock. Anquan Boldin and Karlos Dansby were 2nd round picks, Dockett a 3rd. Antonio Smith was a 6th round pick. Already we have seen Whiz cut a 3rd round pick out of training camp and a 2nd rounder one year removed. We have seen him waste picks on feel good stories like Skelton who won't see the field for years if ever, when he could have drafted areas of need instead. Levi Brown over Adrian Peterson, moving up to get Branch....list goes on and on and on. Whisenhunt gets an F for drafting and you can't fail year after year and expect to maintain long term success.

Whisenhunt's player personnel moves are killing this team off slowly but surely. We won't see the full impact for a few years but by then his butt will get canned and as Jay Z says "On to the next one."

Pendy?

The scoring "D" was 101 points better under Davis in '09.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Joey Porter got owned today. From what I saw he lost contain on several big runs. Kept using an inside move and there was no one there to stop the outside run.

 

[Russ Smith]

Regarding Clancy how many people saw Nevada rout Cal on Friday night?

I said earlier that Cal would implode on defense this year with Pendy there. First 2 games they were leading the country in defense, of course UC Davis and colorado stunk. Nevada ran this pistol offense with the QB option reads to either hand it to the RB or keep it.

The entire first half Cal's lb's(in particular Keith Browner) and DE's kept buying the fake, tackling the RB, as the QB would sprint for 20 yards. It was outright embarassing. at the half they pulled Browner and changed their scheme
but it got worse not better.

It reminded me of my issue with Clancy here, if his defensive gameplan worked he was a genius, if it didn't, he really wasn't good at adjusting. He'd bring Wilson into the box to for run defense but that was really it, his in game changes were almost pointless. Exact same thing at Cal, it got embarassing watching them give up the edge to the QB running, or buy the play fake leaving all the receivers wide open on play action.

 

[Longcolts]

What is really confusing to me is that this is Whizenhunt's 4th year as Head Coach, yet we're regressing instead of getting better or at least being a consistent contender. I realize that this was only the 2d game of the year, but it seems to me that we have the same problems we've always had. An under performing O-line, a defense that can't get itself off the field, an offense that can't maintain drives. and with the exception of the last couple of years inconsistent QB play.

 

[Indiana Hoosier]

Hey, everyone needs to lighten up. We have only played (2) games, and we are 1-1, not 0-2. We will get things fixed!

 

[azsouthendzone]

Pendy?

The scoring "D" was 101 points better under Davis in '09.

Oh you Crazy Canuck......I think you are forgetting some key Whisenhunt moves in 2008 such as the "We have the division wrapped up at 7-3 so lets kick back, experiment with no running game, shotgun every down, keep our defense on the field and get our ass kicked" approach that Kenny ran with week 11-15. That had a big impact on that stats you threw out there, especially if you add the New England and Philadelphia debacles. You will see some hilarity as this season progresses under Billy Bob Davis. Clancy got the most out of what he had. He looked like a damn genius half the time given the clown head coach's game plan (both of them). Billy Davis is the Derek Anderson of NFL coaches, without the Pro Bowl.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Hey, everyone needs to lighten up. We have only played (2) games, and we are 1-1, not 0-2. We will get things fixed!

Not this year.

 

[kerouac9]

Clancy Pendergast got the most out of what he had. But alas, Ken wanted any reason to get rid of him because he wasn't his boy, so instead of having the guy who helped lead our team to the Super Bowl as DC, we have a guy who stunk it up in San Francisco as our DC. Bill Davis sucks, plain and simple. Just another bad move by Whizzy. Par for the course.

Under Denny, the defense played well. Keeping Clancy provided much needed consistency during the coaching change.

Whisenhunt benefited greatly by Green's personnel moves. Now that Ken has his fingers all over the team, the Cardinals are tanking. No shock. Anquan Boldin and Karlos Dansby were 2nd round picks, Dockett a 3rd. Antonio Smith was a 6th round pick. Already we have seen Whiz cut a 3rd round pick out of training camp and a 2nd rounder one year removed. We have seen him waste picks on feel good stories like Skelton who won't see the field for years if ever, when he could have drafted areas of need instead. Levi Brown over Adrian Peterson, moving up to get Branch....list goes on and on and on. Whisenhunt gets an F for drafting and you can't fail year after year and expect to maintain long term success.

Whisenhunt's player personnel moves are killing this team off slowly but surely. We won't see the full impact for a few years but by then his butt will get canned and as Jay Z says "On to the next one."

This is revisionist history of the worst sort. No one was sad when he got canned.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Davis=Clancy/Clancy=Garbage.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oh you Crazy Canuck......I think you are forgetting some key Whisenhunt moves in 2008 such as the "We have the division wrapped up at 7-3 so lets kick back, experiment with no running game, shotgun every down, keep our defense on the field and get our ass kicked" approach that Kenny ran with week 11-15. That had a big impact on that stats you threw out there, especially if you add the New England and Philadelphia debacles. You will see some hilarity as this season progresses under Billy Bob Davis. Clancy got the most out of what he had. He looked like a damn genius half the time given the clown head coach's game plan (both of them). Billy Davis is the Derek Anderson of NFL coaches, without the Pro Bowl.

First I saw people defending Dennis Green... now Clancy Pendergast?! Dude got run out of the league and his college D sucks as well. Wow... people have short memories (for Wiz) and just plain wrong memories for anyone else.

That being said, Davis is garbage as well. Not sure what people were expecting when the team hires a guy who coached the worst ranked D at his last stop.

 

[Stout]

Davis=Clancy/Clancy=Garbage.

Winner winner, chicken dinner!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Oh you Crazy Canuck......I think you are forgetting some key Whisenhunt moves in 2008 such as the "We have the division wrapped up at 7-3 so lets kick back, experiment with no running game, shotgun every down, keep our defense on the field and get our ass kicked" approach that Kenny ran with week 11-15. That had a big impact on that stats you threw out there, especially if you add the New England and Philadelphia debacles. You will see some hilarity as this season progresses under Billy Bob Davis. Clancy got the most out of what he had. He looked like a damn genius half the time given the clown head coach's game plan (both of them). Billy Davis is the Derek Anderson of NFL coaches, without the Pro Bowl.

So, given that clown HC one was dismissed, you are calling for the dismissal of clown two, right?

 

[CaptTurbo]

stop guys

There are about 6 or 7 posters that are responsible for 75% of the posts and they all say that

DA is a HOF - its just that bullies on the other side keep blitzing them not allowing DA to throw a missle 30 yards downfield
Whiz is a HOF - Not his responisibility to stop the penalties ore move the ball. He isnt on the field anyway!

Davis should be enshrined as DC now - its all Leinarts fault that things have gone bad.

 

[Cheesebeef]

stop guys

There are about 6 or 7 posters that are responsible for 75% of the posts and they all say that

DA is a HOF - its just that bullies on the other side keep blitzing them not allowing DA to throw a missle 30 yards downfield
Whiz is a HOF - Not his responisibility to stop the penalties ore move the ball. He isnt on the field anyway!

Davis should be enshrined as DC now - its all Leinarts fault that things have gone bad.

I would leave this board FOREVER if you could show me even ONE post that says ANY of the above.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I would leave this board FOREVER if you could show me even ONE post that says ANY of the above.

Cheese why can u take one word and make up whatever u want from a posters post but if someone else does it you start crying?

I can take one word or partial thought from anyones post and prove the above. lol

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Cheese why can u take one word and make up whatever u want from a posters post but if someone else does it you start crying?

I can take one word or partial thought from anyones post and prove the above. lol

You can make a weak case, but hardly prove.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese why can u take one word and make up whatever u want from a posters post but if someone else does it you start crying?

Uh... where am I crying? I just want to see where anyone's calling DA a HOF or saying Bill Davis should be enshrined or that Wiz is a HOF.

Look, you're sore because you started a thread that pretty much everyone who read it universally thought was pretty out there. It happens (see my old Josh McCown thread for proof of that). Doesn't mean you have to run off to hyperbole land. What does that add to the conversation?

I can take one word or partial thought from anyones post and prove the above. lol

ok. I'd love to read this. go for it!