Bledsoe to the knicks?

[3rdside]

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/report-eric-bledsoe-to-knicks-trade-an-option/#U5t64zMvKqR2Sow7.97


I like Slam but this one seems a bit out there? If it's true i'd do it in a heartbeat; I don't mind Bledose but his turnover numbers are horrendous and I can't see that magically improving to anything approaching good any time soon.

 

[Phrazbit]

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/report-eric-bledsoe-to-knicks-trade-an-option/#U5t64zMvKqR2Sow7.97


I like Slam but this one seems a bit out there? If it's true i'd do it in a heartbeat; I don't mind Bledose but his turnover numbers are horrendous and I can't see that magically improving to anything approaching good any time soon.

... If D'Angelo Russell was still there I think I'd do it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

holy crap... I'd do that in a HEARTBEAT. I like Knight more then Bledsoe, especially if I had to pick between the two and there are 5 players in the draft worth taking. We get cap room, a blue chipper and pave the way for getting rid of the dual non-pg situation? I'd be all in on that and the Knicks are just dumb enough to do it.

 

[TJ]

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/report-eric-bledsoe-to-knicks-trade-an-option/#U5t64zMvKqR2Sow7.97


I like Slam but this one seems a bit out there? If it's true i'd do it in a heartbeat; I don't mind Bledose but his turnover numbers are horrendous and I can't see that magically improving to anything approaching good any time soon.

To put things in perspective - Steve Nash's average turnovers were never any lower than 3.3/game while he was with the Suns. Kevin Johnson's average turnovers were as high as 4/game. Jason Kidd averaged between 3 and 3.7/game while he was in Phoenix.

With 3.4/game, Eric Bledsoe's turnover numbers are on par with some of the great point guards the Suns have had in the past. Where he needs to improve are on the assist numbers, but I think if you surround him with better, more consistent shot makers, those numbers will naturally increase.

 

[3rdside]

... If D'Angelo Russell was still there I think I'd do it.

Russell or Porzingis both sound pretty appealing - with Porzingis we've got an all eastern euro, white, 7ft front court; what could possibly go wrong

 

[JS22]

There is zero substance to that "report" but I would do it yesterday.

 

[3rdside]

To put things in perspective - Steve Nash's average turnovers were never any lower than 3.3/game while he was with the Suns. Kevin Johnson's average turnovers were as high as 4/game. Jason Kidd averaged between 3 and 3.7/game while he was in Phoenix.

With 3.4/game, Eric Bledsoe's turnover numbers are on par with some of the great point guards the Suns have had in the past. Where he needs to improve are on the assist numbers, but I think if you surround him with better, more consistent players, those numbers will naturally go up.

It's the Asst / TO ratio that's the problem - i thought i read a stat somewhere that suggested it was god awful.

 

[3rdside]

It is god awful:

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/player-assists-to-turnover-ratio/2014/

Mind you, Knight's is hardly much better.

 

[TJ]

It's the Asst / TO ratio that's the problem - i thought i read a stat somewhere that suggested it was god awful.

Which is why I said his assists need to improve, as I'm not sure how much lower a primary ball-handler's turnover numbers can dip.

Consider that the Suns teams KJ, Nash, and Kidd played for had much better talent and coaching surrounding them, which naturally leads to better offensive fluidity and more talent moving around without the ball to be found for easier makes

 

[slinslin]

Bledsoe won't be moved.

He is spending the whole summer in Phoenix working out and the Suns are finally marketing him also.
Bledsoe has lots of potential still and is relatively close to being allstar quality at 24 years old they won't trade him for a high bust chance Porzingis.

Trading Bledsoe and eg Myles Turner for Porzingis has a solid chance to go down as one of the worst trades in the history of the nba.

 

[3rdside]

Which is why I said his assists need to improve, as I'm not sure how much lower a primary ball-handler's turnover numbers can dip.

Consider that the Suns teams KJ, Nash, and Kidd played for had much better talent and coaching surrounding them, which naturally leads to better offensive fluidity and more talent moving around without the ball to be found for easier makes

Sure but he just isn't a great passer full stop - i think that one's pretty obvious considering he just telegraphs some of those turnovers - and overall i'm not sure how good a player he really is. Great defence, i will definitely pay that, but outside of that - besides the occasional triple triple double - there really isn't much to suggest he's anything special special. I take the 4 pick any day.

 

[TJ]

Sure but he just isn't a great passer full stop - i think that one's pretty obvious considering he just telegraphs some of those turnovers - and overall i'm not sure how good a player he really is. Great defence, i will definitely pay that, but outside of that - besides the occasional triple triple double - there really isn't much to suggest he's anything special special. I take the 4 pick any day.

There's a big drop off in talent from the Top 3 of the draft (Russell, KAT, Okafor). That 4 pick isn't worth much more this year than the #13. IMO, a developing Bledsoe is worth more than moving up 9 spots to get someone marginally better in the draft.

 

[3rdside]

Can't fault your confidence and tend to agree about the rest of the draft...except for porzingis.

I don't know why I'm a sucker for kaminsky but if you could guarantee him at 13 then maybe it's not such a dunk of a trade.


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[TJ]

Can't fault your confidence and tend to agree about the rest of the draft...except for porzingis.

I don't know why I'm a sucker for kaminsky but if you could guarantee him at 13 then maybe it's not such a dunk of a trade.


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Kaminsky can be a stretch 4 in the NBA by posting up and hitting outside shots. Problem is he's trash on defense.

 

[3rdside]

Bledsoe won't be moved.

He is spending the whole summer in Phoenix working out and the Suns are finally marketing him also.
Bledsoe has lots of potential still and is relatively close to being allstar quality at 24 years old they won't trade him for a high bust chance Porzingis.

Trading Bledsoe and eg Myles Turner for Porzingis has a solid chance to go down as one of the worst trades in the history of the nba.

I'd put money on Porzingis not being a bust but I agree that Bledsoe is still young; I kept pointing out that Dragic had only one year starting before he had his 'all-star' year so Bledsoe deserves a bit of a break.

But, he can't be a good pass first point guard cause he's just not one, and he's not a good enough shooter to offset that.

I think i'd still take Porzingis for Bledsoe.

 

[3rdside]

...even though you're probably right about Bledsoe not going anywhere; you just know McD is going all in on this 2 point guard thing.

 

[SirStefan32]

If any team is stupid enough to trade a high pick for Bledsoe, NY or LA would be it.

 

[Ronin]

I doubt it happens....

 

[elindholm]

Nothing there. This is just a random fan idea and Chad Ford indulging it to be polite.

 

[devilalum]

...even though you're probably right about Bledsoe not going anywhere; you just know McD is going all in on this 2 point guard thing.

Exactly, if they did this trade he'd probably draft a PG.

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[Chris_Sanders]

Bledsoe won't be moved.

He is spending the whole summer in Phoenix working out and the Suns are finally marketing him also.
Bledsoe has lots of potential still and is relatively close to being allstar quality at 24 years old they won't trade him for a high bust chance Porzingis.

Trading Bledsoe and eg Myles Turner for Porzingis has a solid chance to go down as one of the worst trades in the history of the nba.

Wow we agree. In this draft the 13th isn't significantly worse than the 4.

 

[Mainstreet]

Bledsoe for #4 would be a fair swap plus whatever makes the trade work. It would be absurd for the Suns to include the 13th pick.

 

[JCSunsfan]

No guarantee player at #4. If I am the Knicks, I do that trade. You get a good young player who scored 20 a game a season ago, plays D and is on a long term favorable contract (once the cap goes up) and still get a chance to draft a good player at 13.

Unless McD is convinced he has a superstar at #4 you do not do it.

 

[mojorizen7]

Bledsoe for the #4 pick?
Where do i sign up?

 

[slinslin]

...even though you're probably right about Bledsoe not going anywhere; you just know McD is going all in on this 2 point guard thing.

Brandon Knight is our shooting guard, why is it so hard to understand for people?

There is not a single team in the NBA that would not want their shooting guards to also be capable playmakers.