Book it: If AZ loses to STL next week Whis is toast.

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I Cant See How The Fo Can Allow It...

 

[GatorAZ]

Doubt it... How much $ are we on the hook for? Another thing is if he gets fired Grimm will take over and run the same routine. Aint gonna happen until after next season IMO. They'll give him and the QB 2 years.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

For every year that Whisenhunt stays, this franchise will be set back 5 years. He will continue to sign washed up senior citizens from the Steelers, and get rid of any young talent remaining on this team. If the Cards care about winning at all, or the future of the franchise, they will get rid of both Graves and Whisenhunt after this season, and start from scratch. That probably won't happen, considering the Bidwills got their stadium and could careless about anything else.

 

[Phrazbit]

I dont see Whis getting fired until the offseason, or maybe at the soonest the week or 2 before. For one, who takes over? Horton? Grimm? I dont see a viable option for interim coach.

But make no mistake, 4 wins or less and he is a goner.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I dont see Whis getting fired until the offseason, or maybe at the soonest the week or 2 before. For one, who takes over? Horton? Grimm? I dont see a viable option for interim coach.

But make no mistake, 4 wins or less and he is a goner.

You fire Whiz, and then make Grimm the interm coach so he get fired at the end of the season.

Two birds with one stone. Destroy the two-headed monster of suck.

Let Whiz go play golf, and Grimm go listen to Bruce Springsteen while working on his Chevy van in the drive way.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Whiz isn't going anywhere, get over it and find something else to whine about. He's a good coach and it's a solid system. The players are right when they say it comes down to execution.

 

[LarryStalling]

Guys, listen up. You have not got the right idea for the needed order of departure. Graves must go first and he needs to go now or sooner. Lets get rid of him and get in a real gm so he can pick his own coach to anchor his ship. I say fire Graves immediately and bring someone in so that he can figure out the culture and change what needs to be changed in the off-season. We don't want to have to change coaches and gm in the off season.

 

[IndyDevil]

Guys, listen up. You have not got the right idea for the needed order of departure. Graves must go first and he needs to go now or sooner. Lets get rid of him and get in a real gm so he can pick his own coach to anchor his ship. I say fire Graves immediately and bring someone in so that he can figure out the culture and change what needs to be changed in the off-season. We don't want to have to change coaches and gm in the off season.

So much THIS!!

Let a new GM determine what needs to be done with the coaching staff instead of allowing Graves to do any more damage to the Cardinals!

 

[Duckjake]

Whiz isn't going anywhere, get over it and find something else to whine about. He's a good coach and it's a solid system. The players are right when they say it comes down to execution.

You are right, Whiz, and the team aren't going anywhere. 5-11 and now 1-6 and routinely blowing leads. Obviously a great system. Must be the same one Miami and Indianapolis are running.

 

[az jam]

Whiz will be here for 2012. MB will not eat the $12 million left on his contract. However I really, really hope that they fire Graves and bring in a football guy to run the organization.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

He's a good coach and it's a solid system. The players are right when they say it comes down to execution.

I don't want them executed, just fired.

 

[thirty-two]

I don't want them executed, just fired.

LOL!

Yeah, I highly doubt Whiz is fired if we lose to STL. I think we're stuck with him definitely through this season and probably next.

 

[MrYeahBut]

LOL!

Yeah, I highly doubt Whiz is fired if we lose to STL. I think we're stuck with him definitely through this season and probably next.

Maybe he will start to recognize, however dimly, that there must be a better way. Tolerance for pain may be high, but it's not without limit.




.

 

[football karma]

I think its a mistake to think that a coach magically transforms bad players into good ones. Its a nice coping mechanism: it feeds hope that the team is a quick fix away from being good.

I don't think it works that way.

Three years ago: this was a team with above average talent and a hot QB. It got hot in the playoffs and nearly won a Superbowl. It won a playoff game the next year.

Since that time: its future HOF Qb has retired. This cannot be underestimated. We have seen how quick reads and release can make up for a below average line.

The rest of the talent has declined, not improved. Its drafting over the last three years has been about patching current holes on the roster, not improving it.

And looking at all of this: people think its the coaching? While there is lots to complain about, the reality is that the problem sits squarely with Rod Graves and the front office.

 

[AzStevenCal]

For every year that Whisenhunt stays, this franchise will be set back 5 years. He will continue to sign washed up senior citizens from the Steelers, and get rid of any young talent remaining on this team. If the Cards care about winning at all, or the future of the franchise, they will get rid of both Graves and Whisenhunt after this season, and start from scratch. That probably won't happen, considering the Bidwills got their stadium and could careless about anything else.

So if he stays 34 years as our Head Coach, he'll set the franchise back 170 years? I'm not sure I follow your logic. I think this franchise is at least 3 years away from being relevant and IMO that's about as far away from relevant as you can get in the NFL. I guess you could maybe add a year to that if he managed to trade away a bunch of future draft picks but you can't go very far down that road in the NFL.

Steve

 

[desertdawg]

Cowgirls canned their coach about this time last year. GM needs to go too, don't get me wrong but his job is pretty much done for the year anyways. I still don't believe we have seen Miller's idea of an offense.

I'll say it first, boot Whiz and Grimm clear out of Az, today. Pull Miller's ******* up to HC and see what he does with the offense, probably suck balls but we'll be first in line for a real coach so to speak. If Miller sparks the club (highly unlikely, almost impossible), then keep him around for next year as our REAL OC.

Fire Graves whenever you want, but he isn't the one calling these same stupid plays, blowing lead after lead. That is coaching coaching coaching, that's why we lose every second half. Out coached dot com.

I aint no Miller fan, I'm just saying he can cruise us to the same pathetic record that Whiz is on Pace for. I do like the new plays we have ran this year that don't have Whiz's stinch on them. When we abondon the run while leading the game only to go down in flames...smellls like Whizzy poo.

So I aint sticking up for Graves, and I'm not on Miller's jock, but Whiz and Grimm shouldn't be here much longer, they've proven that as the players change, they don't. It will always be the same unless someone goes and resurects Warner.

 

[chickenhead]

I think Whiz will say "I had no offseason" and the Bidwills will think to themselves "you still have a lot of money on your contract" and then it'll be the same crew next year. There's also the chance that they all think they are going to turn it around. Not much we can do about that except wait.

 

[Zeno]

Now way does the coach get canned during this season. It'd be nice to see the GM go just to send a message to Whisenhunt..."You now have to impress the new GM or suffer the consequences!"

 

[blindseyed]

Guys, listen up. You have not got the right idea for the needed order of departure. Graves must go first and he needs to go now or sooner. Lets get rid of him and get in a real gm so he can pick his own coach to anchor his ship. I say fire Graves immediately and bring someone in so that he can figure out the culture and change what needs to be changed in the off-season. We don't want to have to change coaches and gm in the off season.

Yep Graves first, should've happened years ago. But it seems doubtful so unless that happens we can expect this type of Cardinal team.

 

[Buckybird]

I don't think Wiz gets fired because ownership will see at least 4 close losses that basically were lost in the last minutes & because of the $$$ owed to him. Now if we lose both Ram & Seattle games & this team finishes with 3 or less victories, the public outcry will force them to change. If this franchise doesn't fire the human snail at some point it just proves they have no ****ing clue!!!

 

[TheCardFan]

Didn't both of them just sign new 4 year deals before the season started?

I don't see how Graves has made it this far and don't see how he gets canned 1 year into a 4 year deal.

I am not a Graves fan but honestly can't tell you who is to blame for this return to suckage.

Did we only escape sucking for a short time because of Warner and now that era is over, we are back?

I think Michael Bidwill has done everything he can to become more competitive. Does he not have the football experience?

Who is to blame for miss after miss of top 10 picks and draft ineptitude? Rod Graves seems like the issue. Is he the guy making the calls and/or is it our scouting group?

Is Whis a bad coach with a bad system or does he have bad coaches and players?

Do the colts suffer from the same issue as us...without manning/warner they suck?

Why did every Cardinal fan know we were going to lose at halftime up 24-6?

 

[52brandon]

You are right, Whiz, and the team aren't going anywhere. 5-11 and now 1-6 and routinely blowing leads. Obviously a great system. Must be the same one Miami and Indianapolis are running.

most were close games. I actually think the franchise might be close to making a breakthrough. There are flashes of brilliance. I follow the Lions (was mostly so I didn't feel so bad about being a cards fan and could tell my friends from Detroit "at least we don't suck as bad as you") and in 2009 you could get the same feeling from them that I get from the Cards. It's an ugly road, but I believe if we stay the course, this team, with these coaches can really win. You see Horton's system starting to work, it's so new that we weren't able to adjust it as much as the Ravens were their offense in the 2nd half. But they had the Baltimore fans booing their team in the first quarter (and that's with the great plays we should have finished like A-Dub's near pick in the endzone). We do need an OC and both OTs though. Some of the play calling is baffling, especially with such quick collapses of protection

 

[earthsci]

Cowgirls canned their coach about this time last year.

Not for nothing dawg but apples to oranges. The Cowboys had an assistant coach who was highly respected and picked as the head coach of the future for that team. If we fire Whiz midseason we have the pickings of a bunch of guys who will probably have a difficult time getting jobs if they aren't employed by the Cardinals. All except Russ Grimm, who some team will hire for all of his "genius" OLine coaching.

I subscribe to what k9 has been touting, finish the season as is. When the season is over dump Graves and hire a competent, or at least respected FO man (Eric DeCosta), at GM. Take away %100 of Whiz's (and Fitz's) input on personel, and head into the season that way.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Fire Graves and let a competent FO guy make the decision on the coach. No point in jettisoning Whiz is Graves is going to be able to pick the new guy because we will end up in this same freaking position again.

 

[52brandon]

Take away %100 of Whiz's (and Fitz's) input on personel, and head into the season that way.

looking back through all of the Whiz era drafts I would agree. But he's really improved. DRC, the pro-bowl alternate has been replaced with somebody who will be a real pro-bowl corner. DRC started one game in Philly, who we traded for Kolb, sadly Kolb hasn't panned out but we HAD to do it to keep Fitz. If Fitz left, so would half the fan base, it will be like when the Suns let Stoudemire just walk and go dominate in NY, but 10x worse. Ryan Williams also would have made an impact this year if he played. I had WAY high hopes for him. Would have helped keep Beanie healthy too