Bosh VS. Amare

[lauraw]

Trade Amare to the worst team in the league, get their next two lottery all inclusive picks an we'll be on our way!! Plus we'll have cash freed up...

 

[LV-Suns]

Trade Amare to the worst team in the league, get their next two lottery all inclusive picks an we'll be on our way!! Plus we'll have cash freed up...

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Its getting plain ******** these days.

 

[msdundee]

I find it a little odd that every time someone points to a downgrade in Stoudemire's game, you explain that it's because he's becoming more like Malone.

Bless you for not quoting. The Amare=Malone comparison appears to be the latest fixation. Pretty funny.

 

[Bufalay]

I find it a little odd that every time someone points to a downgrade in Stoudemire's game, you explain that it's because he's becoming more like Malone.

It's less depressing than saying that he's turning into Chris Webber.

 

[AfroSuns]

Interesting article about Amare on NBA.com.
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/featur...1/stoudemire.qanda/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

 

[elindholm]

"I still prefer our older point guard." Nice touch.

 

[cly2tw]

Bless you for not quoting. The Amare=Malone comparison appears to be the latest fixation. Pretty funny.

Because Nash playing more like Stockton and Amare getting into a Malone type of game seems to be the only chance that your boy Nash gets to the finals before he retires. Otherwise, it's another wasted year. Might be just wishful thinking on both accounts though. In the blowout loss to NY, Nash played like his old self against Spurs-like defense, to no avail. (DA seems to know how to make Nash the least effective to his team possible, like Raptors did in their first game with us.) Amare was simply having no energy or concentration at all. That's just the lowly Knicks.

 

[Proteus]

Because Nash playing more like Stockton and Amare getting into a Malone type of game seems to be the only chance that your boy Nash gets to the finals before he retires. Otherwise, it's another wasted year. Might be just wishful thinking on both accounts though. In the blowout loss to NY, Nash played like his old self against Spurs-like defense, to no avail. (DA seems to know how to make Nash the least effective to his team possible, like Raptors did in their first game with us.) Amare was simply having no energy or concentration at all. That's just the lowly Knicks.

Spurs-like defense? Haha.

Offense wasn't the problem against the Knicks, not in the 1st half anyway.

 

[cly2tw]

Spurs-like defense? Haha.

Offense wasn't the problem against the Knicks, not in the 1st half anyway.

Nash led the team with 16 shot attempts in 31 min in 3 quarters. Aside JRich with 10, none other starters shot more than 7 times. You know it's trouble and their defense worked.

 

[TBaslim]

B In the blowout loss to NY, Nash played like his old self against Spurs-like defense, to no avail. (DA seems to know how to make Nash the least effective to his team possible, like Raptors did in their first game with us.) .

Huh? What exactly is his 'old self'?

When defenses switch on the Pick n Roll effectively, they freeze the rest of the team out of their spots and turn Nash into the only offensive option. Spurs did this. NY did it. Happened in the Cavs game too. Nash acknowledged it in the post-game and it is the big thing the Suns need to work on to be any real threat this year.

But it is not Nash's 'fault' or something, like he is suddenly becoming a selfish player. It requires the team to have a different game plan to switch into against good PnR defensive schemes (pun intended). It is the place where JRich and Amare can really contribute if they can get going.

 

[Yuma]

one part of Malone's game I would like to see Amare pick up is Malone's nastiness. No one fears driving the lane on the Suns.

As far as Bosh and Amare, I think rebounding definitely is a big difference between the two. I've alwys said, all the Suns need is a 10/10 guy at center. We need our guy to get a solid 10 rebounds every game, and a minimal 10 points. Anything more points wise at center is gravy for the Suns. Maybe Bosh and Clark would be better than Amare and (Lopez/Frye) starting. I'd have to see if Bosh could run the high pick and roll with Nash. Bosh has more traditional big man moves in the low post. Amare has more range on his jumper. Maybe it is who would be cheaper! (Think Sarver! :sound of can of worms opening up

 

[LV-Suns]

Bosh has post moves in the paint? Since when? He plays farther away from the basket than Amare does, and he actually has more range.

 

[Yuma]

Bosh has post moves in the paint? Since when? He plays farther away from the basket than Amare does, and he actually has more range.

I'm just going by the two games I saw this year where he got the ball close in to the basket and had nifty turn around bank shots. In the two games I watched he never shot anything farther than 15 feet. He played a lot with his back to the basket, whereas Amare does better facing the basket. I see Amare make twenty footers all the time. I never see Bosh shoot that far out, thus Amare has more range, imho.

 

[cly2tw]

Huh? What exactly is his 'old self'?

When defenses switch on the Pick n Roll effectively, they freeze the rest of the team out of their spots and turn Nash into the only offensive option. Spurs did this. NY did it. Happened in the Cavs game too. Nash acknowledged it in the post-game and it is the big thing the Suns need to work on to be any real threat this year.

But it is not Nash's 'fault' or something, like he is suddenly becoming a selfish player. It requires the team to have a different game plan to switch into against good PnR defensive schemes (pun intended). It is the place where JRich and Amare can really contribute if they can get going.

It's good that we agree on what'd be good for this team: Working on more alternatives to Nash dribble offense.

How much Nash's fault is the current situation? It's a judgment call. In our near loss to Raptors, Gentry critized him for taking too many one-on-one facing Barnani in the fourth quarter, while ignoring our clear mismatch advantage with Amare on Calderon downlow. If he were the coach, he'd take all the blame. But he is not. So, my hope was that Gentry can change it. It takes some guts to do, as Nash instinctively might not like it on the one hand and we might lose a couple more games on the other.

Is Nash selfish? It depends on your perspective. He believes his way was the best way for the team to win, honestly. Iverson believes the same.

 

[Ronin]

Bosh

 

[Mainstreet]

Comparing Amare to Malone is doing a disservice to Malone. I think younger fans forget how good Malone was as a player.

 

[SirStefan32]

Comparing Amare to Malone is doing a disservice to Malone. I think younger fans forget how good Malone was as a player.

I couldn't agree more. Malone was not only a monster who was able to score any way he liked, but he played good (not great, but good) defense, and he was one of the smartest basketball players I have ever seen. Additionally, if I remember correctly, he may be the most durable player ever. I don't believe he missed much more than a few games during his long career.
In my opinion, along with Duncan and Barkley, he may be the best power forward to ever play the game.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It's a judgment call. In our near loss to Raptors, Gentry critized him for taking too many one-on-one facing Barnani in the fourth quarter, while ignoring our clear mismatch advantage with Amare on Calderon downlow.

Is Nash selfish? It depends on your perspective. He believes his way was the best way for the team to win, honestly. Iverson believes the same.

I'm surprised this last comment hasn't drawn more attention. Okay, I realize that most people here are accustomed to your Nash bashing but are you really suggesting that it's as easy and accurate to label Nash selfish as it is with Iverson? If so, how do you balance that with an obvious league wide opinion that runs to the contrary regarding each of these two players.

And your description of the Gentry/Nash byplay in the Toronto game is quite a stretch also, IMO. Where exactly did Gentry take this shot at Nash. I remember a casual comment surrounded by a lot of praise but maybe I missed something.

Steve

 

[cly2tw]

I'm surprised this last comment hasn't drawn more attention. Okay, I realize that most people here are accustomed to your Nash bashing but are you really suggesting that it's as easy and accurate to label Nash selfish as it is with Iverson? If so, how do you balance that with an obvious league wide opinion that runs to the contrary regarding each of these two players.

And your description of the Gentry/Nash byplay in the Toronto game is quite a stretch also, IMO. Where exactly did Gentry take this shot at Nash. I remember a casual comment surrounded by a lot of praise but maybe I missed something.

Steve

For many people, Nash is saint. I have no problem with selfish people. MJ was selfish, just as Iverson. They got their teams to titles or at least finals. Who was on Iverson's 76s' finals team? Snow, McKie, Ratliff, and then? Speaking of making teammates better, Iverson made them good enough to go to the finals. Did Nash achieve that with a much more talented roster over his years in NBA?

 

[elindholm]

I'm surprised this last comment hasn't drawn more attention. Okay, I realize that most people here are accustomed to your Nash bashing

He's just stirring the pot. He'll keep upping the rhetoric until someone bites.

 

[cly2tw]

He's just stirring the pot. He'll keep upping the rhetoric until someone bites.

Just as I did with my assessment of Marion, right?

 

[AzStevenCal]

For many people, Nash is saint. I have no problem with selfish people. MJ was selfish, just as Iverson. They got their teams to titles or at least finals. Who was on Iverson's 76s' finals team? Snow, McKie, Ratliff, and then? Speaking of making teammates better, Iverson made them good enough to go to the finals. Did Nash achieve that with a much more talented roster over his years in NBA?

MJ realized he couldn't win it by himself and was an absolute terror in practice, forcing his teammates to play up a level or two and creating a familiarity amongst all of them. Iverson apparently wanted to do it himself and never gave of himself the way other true stars have done. He may have had the heart of a lion but he fell short in most other ways. If you can't see that kind of difference between Iverson and the two you've suggested are just as selfish than you're turning a blind eye for a reason, IMO.

And suggesting that Iverson proved his greatness by getting to the Finals is a weak argument. Is Barry a better player than Barkley because he won two rings with the Spurs and all Chuck could do was get his team to the finals. Also, that was an incredibly weak Eastern Conference that sent the likes of the Nets and the 76'ers to the finals.

Steve

 

[Superbone]

Nash is one of the least selfish players ever to play the game.

 

[Mainstreet]

Has anyone noticed that Amare cannot bend over and control loose balls on the floor?

In fact, at least in my observation, he doesn't even try much anymore. I really don't think it's because he doesn't want to make the effort, so I'm wondering if he is just stiff in the knees or perhaps he wants to avoid injury.

 

[elindholm]

I really don't think it's because he doesn't want to make the effort, so I'm wondering if he is just stiff in the knees or perhaps he wants to avoid injury.

There's no doubt in my mind that Stoudemire is physically compromised now. It wouldn't surprise me if his pseudocartilage is breaking down and he is experiencing knee pain again. Of course, we probably won't get the truth until the Suns sign him to a huge extension.