Defense + Offense wins championships.
Having three All-Stars to make up for your second class PG wins championships.
The better equation is: Rondo > $
Boston Press laughs at Suns....
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Defense + Offense wins championships.
Having three All-Stars to make up for your second class PG wins championships.
The better equation is: Rondo > $
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Boston dose have a right to luagh at the suns, Rondo for money was stupid, but we have a righty to luagh at them with the joe johnson thing so it evens it self out
IMHO the Suns biggest problem has been that they get these great ideas and then get into trouble when they fall apart.
Two years ago they decided their backup should be a combo named Salmons. It was a great idea. They knew the Sixers weren't going to sign him. He could play multiples positions, he's tall and can defend, and he seemed to have some playmaking ability. Great plan.
But since they were sure they'd get him, they did not fiigure they needed to draft anybody. Unfortunately, one of the planners of this scheme was BC, who left in mide season to go to the Raptors. So BC swoops in an gets Salmons to change teams. But in a bout of poetic justice, Salmon jilts BC too.
Back to the Suns, rather than getting the guy they wanted or a draft pick they didn't think they needed, they get Banks. Had they scouted Banks and asked everybody who'd work with him about his Boston experience? Apparently not. Marcus played OK with the Wolves, but they didn't try to keep him. Shouldn't this have been a signal that not all was as it seemed.
IMHO, the Suns biggest blunders have tended to be in an attemtp to offset another blunder. If everything worked the way it should have, the problem might have been solved. Instead......
Two years ago they decided their backup should be a combo named Salmons. It was a great idea. They knew the Sixers weren't going to sign him. He could play multiples positions, he's tall and can defend, and he seemed to have some playmaking ability. Great plan.
But since they were sure they'd get him, they did not fiigure they needed to draft anybody. Unfortunately, one of the planners of this scheme was BC, who left in mide season to go to the Raptors. So BC swoops in an gets Salmons to change teams. But in a bout of poetic justice, Salmon jilts BC too.
Back to the Suns, rather than getting the guy they wanted or a draft pick they didn't think they needed, they get Banks. Had they scouted Banks and asked everybody who'd work with him about his Boston experience? Apparently not. Marcus played OK with the Wolves, but they didn't try to keep him. Shouldn't this have been a signal that not all was as it seemed.
IMHO, the Suns biggest blunders have tended to be in an attemtp to offset another blunder. If everything worked the way it should have, the problem might have been solved. Instead......
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There's no such thing as committing to offense. Sure you've got to have some scorers but on nights when the shot's aren't falling if you've got a team committed to playing defense everynight you're ALWAYS in the game. I don't care if Rondo can't shoot....give me a young PG that brings that type of defensive effort & ability on a nightly basis anytime.
At this point you can have Barbosa if you're willing to give me Rondo.
Just sayin.
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have my starting lineup consist of five awesome defenders and 2 awesome scorers than vice versa, but Rondo is horrendous offensively, which makes it harder for his entire team to score. So, when he's playing, the Celtics are winning in spite of him, not so much because of him.
A poor offensive center is much less of a liability on the offensive end than a poor offensive point guard since the PG is supposed to run the offense.
EDIT: I think nowagimp makes my point better than I do: http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1752956&postcount=55
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I remember alot of people wanting rondo that year, and being pissed that we didn't get him.
We have needed a backup pg for years. If you don't sign one, you need to draft one.
Nate robinsion in 2005, Rondo AND Sergio rodriguez in 2006, Rudy fernandez in 2007, were all picked with OUR picks, and traded away. (in various ways)
3 years in a row, we got rid of our picks, and in all three there were point guards that many thought would make at least serviceable backups, if not a starter. We needed a backup pg in 2005, 2006, 2007, and now still in 2008.
I remember hearing people really wanting all of those guys, and being mad that we didn't get them. If we had passed on just rondo on a fluke thing fine, but it's a systemic problem so far with a $arver led Suns.
Having players in positions of need for us, players that people thought had talent, on our board, on other boards, within our team, and definitely among other teams gm's(otherwise why would they do the deal for those players). It's a crapshoot sure, but if you don't throw the dice, you'll never win.
The draft isn't about this year...and had we taken any of those guys, we'd be better suited than we are now, (and not just now for 2008, but better for all those years) and this isn't the nfl where these rookies get 70 million dollar deals, more like 2-3 million if memory serves correct for their 2 year contract.
Hindsight is 20/20, but the Suns can't claim hindsight. Anyone that believes that out of those 4 pretty highly regarded prospects, in position of need, that we gave them away because they weren't sure is kidding themselves. It's a systemic process led from top down to get rid of those picks. Unless they KNEW one of them was a michael jordan, they would have traded those picks. Pretty hard to draft anyone under that sort of requirements, thus any of those picks could be sold. Plenty of great players not named Jordan to play this game, so under such a system, we'll sure miss a bunch of them by not even trying to get them. I guess in such a scenario we could hold onto 20/20 as the reason for missing all of them.
If you get into a car accident without a seat-belt you can't claim 20/20. You know to put it on before hand. Just like the Suns out of those 4 picks, with those players on board, in consecutive years, at a position of need, should have pulled the trigger on 1-2 of them at the very least. That was known then, it's known now. 20/20 isn't an issue, and I won't cloud my viewpoint and let the Suns off by internalizing it as such. I'll always love my Suns, but I'd be kidding myself if I didn't call out the ownership for such poor leadership and obvious faulty logic which led them to make horrible decisions. It wasn't decisions based on talent, it was decisions based on a $$$, a pitifully small amount at that. The money philosophy starts from the top, and the mantra is, 'Save $$$ and hope to win, baby'.
I also agree that we have knee-jerk reactions to things. We don't get one guy, we need to sign/trade for another guy. Whatever direction we go, it seems we have to pay more, because we're the ones initiating the discussion, and want to deal, so we have to add more, and are foolish enough to indeed add more to such deals.
We have needed a backup pg for years. If you don't sign one, you need to draft one.
Nate robinsion in 2005, Rondo AND Sergio rodriguez in 2006, Rudy fernandez in 2007, were all picked with OUR picks, and traded away. (in various ways)
3 years in a row, we got rid of our picks, and in all three there were point guards that many thought would make at least serviceable backups, if not a starter. We needed a backup pg in 2005, 2006, 2007, and now still in 2008.
I remember hearing people really wanting all of those guys, and being mad that we didn't get them. If we had passed on just rondo on a fluke thing fine, but it's a systemic problem so far with a $arver led Suns.
Having players in positions of need for us, players that people thought had talent, on our board, on other boards, within our team, and definitely among other teams gm's(otherwise why would they do the deal for those players). It's a crapshoot sure, but if you don't throw the dice, you'll never win.
The draft isn't about this year...and had we taken any of those guys, we'd be better suited than we are now, (and not just now for 2008, but better for all those years) and this isn't the nfl where these rookies get 70 million dollar deals, more like 2-3 million if memory serves correct for their 2 year contract.
Hindsight is 20/20, but the Suns can't claim hindsight. Anyone that believes that out of those 4 pretty highly regarded prospects, in position of need, that we gave them away because they weren't sure is kidding themselves. It's a systemic process led from top down to get rid of those picks. Unless they KNEW one of them was a michael jordan, they would have traded those picks. Pretty hard to draft anyone under that sort of requirements, thus any of those picks could be sold. Plenty of great players not named Jordan to play this game, so under such a system, we'll sure miss a bunch of them by not even trying to get them. I guess in such a scenario we could hold onto 20/20 as the reason for missing all of them.
If you get into a car accident without a seat-belt you can't claim 20/20. You know to put it on before hand. Just like the Suns out of those 4 picks, with those players on board, in consecutive years, at a position of need, should have pulled the trigger on 1-2 of them at the very least. That was known then, it's known now. 20/20 isn't an issue, and I won't cloud my viewpoint and let the Suns off by internalizing it as such. I'll always love my Suns, but I'd be kidding myself if I didn't call out the ownership for such poor leadership and obvious faulty logic which led them to make horrible decisions. It wasn't decisions based on talent, it was decisions based on a $$$, a pitifully small amount at that. The money philosophy starts from the top, and the mantra is, 'Save $$$ and hope to win, baby'.
I also agree that we have knee-jerk reactions to things. We don't get one guy, we need to sign/trade for another guy. Whatever direction we go, it seems we have to pay more, because we're the ones initiating the discussion, and want to deal, so we have to add more, and are foolish enough to indeed add more to such deals.
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The Suns have spent more on player contracts in the past few years than any other team in the NBA yet fans call him cheap?
Get some facts
Get some facts
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Your statement is deceiving and not in proper context. Go back to your hole, poker.
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Back up your smack son
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I think with them reaching the CAP threshold the last few seasons, that was the tradeoff. A championship run , for nixing the new blood.
They no longer have that luxury. And a coach that should be willing to go deeper into the bench. Smart.
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Not to mention he HAD to spend more because he had purchased a recently gutted team. We could also say he has let more players in need of an extension go in the last few years than any other team.
But that would be out of context and deceiving, which would make me a horse's ass.
But that would be out of context and deceiving, which would make me a horse's ass.
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Dirk for Shaq and Barb
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salaries don't match
Dirk & JET for Shaq and Barb?
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Like D'Antoni would've drafted Rondo and his awful jumpshot. Give me a break.
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We traded draft picks because DAntoni had no vision for developing players. The reason he had no vision for developing players was because he had a 7-8 man rotation and it did not allow it.
The only players he wanted were players he believed would crack that rotation. He did not have interest in cultivating future talent because he knew he would jump ship before that talent was needed.
I am grateful for the type of basketball DAntoni brought to town, but I wish he wasn't so stubborn about the future of the franchise.
The only players he wanted were players he believed would crack that rotation. He did not have interest in cultivating future talent because he knew he would jump ship before that talent was needed.
I am grateful for the type of basketball DAntoni brought to town, but I wish he wasn't so stubborn about the future of the franchise.
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