Brandon Knight contract negotiations

[sunsfan88]

He had already reportedly turned down a $9M/yr contract extension from the Bucks. One of the main reasons Milwaukee traded him apparently was because they didn't think he was worth the $$ that he will be getting this summer.

What do you think will be the contract for Knight will look like?

And this post was made on a different forum responded to the presser from today in which McD that Knight is the best player that was traded among all players involved and its actually a really good point.

So Suns GM says Knight is better than Dragic. Knight's agent should remind him of that after Dragic gets his contract. Why should Knight take less when he's supposedly better?

Especially when Knight is also younger, I might add.

For what it's worth, here's Gambo's prediction

https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/568654583406264320

 

[JCSunsfan]

Don't care. Just match. Its all good.

 

[JustinD]

it should end up being a very similar negotiation to Bledsoe's

Teams will be afraid to offer him a fair deal because we will just match, and teams will be afraid to offer him Max or close to it, because we might not match.

My prediction....He will end up signing a deal similar to Bledsoe's kinda late in free agency.

 

[Iceman]

Guess it all depends on how he plays for the Suns. Hopefully, he is the answer they need...

 

[sunsfan88]

Don't care. Just match. Its all good.

Even if its the max?

I read this on RealGM and it makes good points

If Knight gets a contract this summer, the Suns are committing to the most expensive backcourt in the West - a backcourt not comprised of an all-star. A backcourt comprised of two tweener point guards that the history of the league tells us would be a questionable fit. Yikes. At best, it's gambling on youth and potential and hoping it works out. At worst, it's being downright arrogant and reckless and could set the franchise back for years.

 

[95pro]

just from watching the first game, Knight might be better than Bledsoe except for going over and fighting through screens.

Better:

Handles
Looking Shot
true PG skills

I truly don't see Bledsoe as our star or will ever be a star. I'm not saying Knight is, but just watching the bulls game, he is a lot smoother and makes better decisions within the game.

 

[Mainstreet]

Don't care. Just match. Its all good.

The Suns may indeed match but it would be a mistake by offering Knight a low ball figure to start negotiations. It's not good to start off low balling a player that the Suns have already praided highly. I expect him to get near Bledsoe type money or more. Does anyone know what a max, 5 year contract would look like for Knight?

 

[sunsfan88]

The Suns may indeed match but it would be a mistake by offering Knight a low ball figure to start negotiations. It's not good to start off low balling a player that the Suns have already praided highly. I expect him to get near Bledsoe type money or more. Does anyone know what a max, 5 year contract would look like for Knight?

Similar to what James Harden got from Houston. 5 year, $80 million.

And I certainly don't think Knight is anywhere close to being the player Harden is.

 

[Mainstreet]

Similar to what James Harden got from Houston. 5 year, $80 million.

And I certainly don't think Knight is anywhere close to being the player Harden is.

That was in 2012. I think Knight will get close to that amount. IMO, Knight is very close to the star player the Suns have coveted.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I have been convinced that they are looking for an Isiah (not Isaiah) Thomas/ Joe Dumars type of combo. Bledsoe is much more of a Dumars type of player.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I have been convinced that they are looking for an Isiah (not Isaiah) Thomas/ Joe Dumars type of combo. Bledsoe is much more of a Dumars type of player.

he's Dumars... without the killer jumper. that's the biggest problem.

 

[KloD]

Even if its the max?

I read this on RealGM and it makes good points

I believe you read it on RealGM, but it doesn't make any such "good points". All this is, is yet another ignorant blowhard attempting to validate their hate for the Suns front office by stating their ignorant opinion as if fact.

If Knight gets a contract this summer, the Suns are committing to the most expensive backcourt in the West - a backcourt not comprised of an all-star. A backcourt comprised of two tweener point guards that the history of the league tells us would be a questionable fit. Yikes. At best, it's gambling on youth and potential and hoping it works out. At worst, it's being downright arrogant and reckless and could set the franchise back for years.

1) The most expensive backcourt in the west? If Knight does get a contract equal to Bledsoe. Kobe Makes $25m next year by himself. Unless they start a guy next to him on a minimum rookie deal (not even sure that would be low enough), the Lakers will have them beat. Not to mention the Clippers, Likely Dallas (after Rondo is signed), Warriors will be about the same, Houston if they sign a new PG will beat or be the same, N.O. same or more. Those are just off the top of my head. Fact is, they will be about the same as many teams backcourts salary wise in the West. Some teams will also have higher numbers in a year or two when they sign their starters on rookie contracts (Portland for one). 2) History tells us? Really? I thought the complaint by these geniuses was that the Suns aren't sticking to the traditional blueprint? Now history is full of teams using this model? 3) In most cases a team giving a contract to a young player is a gamble, a gamble on potential. Drafting is a gamble on potential. What a ridiculous comment. The only thing arrogant and reckless is this persons over-inflated ego that they have a clue what they are talking about. What a bunch of crap....

 

[KloD]

he's Dumars... without the killer jumper. that's the biggest problem.

Well, he's young and has made big improvement in the area. With hard work he could get there. Knight is already shooting simular percentages to Dumars and Bledsoe's numbers are better than Thomas's. I'm not suggesting they are on par to that pair. I'm only pointing out that shooting percentage wise(2 and 3pt), they are there or ahead.

If the Suns can find the right SF and PF to go the Bledsoe, Knight, and Len this team could be very good. I'd like to see the Morris's and Tucker come off the bench (if they are still around). Sure, there are some key pieces missing, but that's to be expected in a build. I don't know who will be available in FA next summer, but they will have the money to sign someone good at either if the right one is available.

 

[leclerc]

Bledsoe is not playing well enough. He has to get a jumper like yesterday. I'm very pleased with Len though, and Archie was pretty good vs wolves and bulls.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Shouldn't really be a problem even if it is the max. With the cap going way up over the next 2 years we won't be handcuffed by committing that much money to Knight and Bledsoe.

 

[CardsFan88]

While we don't know exactly why Bledsoe has been doing worse, I posit a potentially BS theory.

That is we were having our three point guards basically running certain things. We'd ask them all to do some of it at various times, but more then likely, they all ran a certain piece of the offense more then another piece, and one of the others ran mostly a different piece, etc, etc. Not just philosophy, but also with regards to certain players, etc.

Besides now being the guy who has to do it much more which he isn't used to right now, he now has to incorporate ALL of the offense, with ALL of the other players, including new and younger ones.

Maybe eventually Knight takes some load off of Bledsoe, since if we are to believe what the FO/Hornacek have been stating, they want two guys acting as playmakers at the top of the key passing it around... maybe this is that middle ground before Bledsoe gets used to a much bigger role and Knight gets incorporated into that system.

 

[SweetD]

Do to the CBA I don't think Knight can't get as much as Dragic.

 

[sunsfan88]

Do to the CBA I don't think Knight can't get as much as Dragic.

Correct. Max Dragic can get is $20M/yr while max Knight can get is $16M/yr (same as James Harden, John Wall etc).

 

[KloD]

If I had to bet, Knight ends up with a pretty identical contract to Bledsoe. Of course I also believe Bledsoe will eventually be used with the 2 Miami picks (and filler) to get a star. I'm expecting Knight to become the face and he and Len to be the long term main pieces to go with whatever star they are eventually able to trade for.

 

[Mainstreet]

Correct. Max Dragic can get is $20M/yr while max Knight can get is $16M/yr (same as James Harden, John Wall etc).

Knight will likely get 80 million (or very close) either from the Suns or another team. The Suns have sunk their assets in him.

 

[slinslin]

Does not really matter since Knight is young and improving, so I couldn't care less as long as the Suns re-sign him.

It is not like we are likely to do anything better with that money and Knight can earn that contract.

 

[KloD]

Knight will likely get 80 million (or very close) either from the Suns or another team. The Suns have sunk their assets in him.

I don't disagree with the amount, but I do with the claim they "sunk their assets in him". I don't believe the Lakers pick, or the guys who went to the Bucks were their assets. They just exchanged the Lakers pick for 2 picks with similar to far better potential and they saved themselves from way overpaying Dragic. IMO they got the better player and extended the picks life as an asset.

 

[sunsfan88]

Does not really matter since Knight is young and improving, so I couldn't care less as long as the Suns re-sign him.

It is not like we are likely to do anything better with that money and Knight can earn that contract.

Which is it? Pick a damn side

Knight looks HORRIBLE.

When he has the ball he is terrible for the most part too.

Terrible passes and can't attack the basket.

He was supposed to make 3s for us but he is shooting under 30%.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/suns-heat-219009-8.html#post3141417

 

[hcsilla]

Till now Knight does a damn good job both defensively and offensively to reduce the market demand for himself.

 

[sunsfan88]

Looks like there may be a bidding battle between Sarver and Cuban for Knight

http://fansided.com/2015/03/01/nba-rumors-mavericks-replace-rajon-rondo-goran-dragic-brandon-knight/

Cuban may do what he did with Parsons last summer and perhaps overpay so that the Suns don't match. Is Knight worth matching if Cuban makes an overpay offer?

More importantly, would McD and Sarver be willing to let a RFA walk after they gave up so many assets for him? Suns know how bad this would look from a PR stand point.