Brandon Knight likely out for rest of the season

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Well, that was certainly worth trading half the team for.
Almost rises to the level of a Richie Sexson trade, but not quite that good.
We'll just call it Rick Robey II.
 
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Well, that was certainly worth trading half the team for.
Almost rises to the level of a Richie Sexson trade, but not quite that good.
We'll just call it Rick Robey II.

I think a lot of the trades were more than Knight. However, I'm not sure why the Suns gave up the Lakers pick to go after Knight. If the Suns would have kept the Lakers pick they could have put together an attractive trade package.
 

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I think a lot of the trades were more than Knight. However, I'm not sure why the Suns gave up the Lakers pick to go after Knight. If the Suns would have kept the Lakers pick they could have put together an attractive trade package.

For all the criticism that Hinkie takes for his tanking methods, Noel looks very promising and getting a highly likely top 10 pick for MCW (who has looked awful) is looking like maybe the steal of the deadline.

I wish we would have just gave up on this dual PG lineup, and if anything gave up that pick for a guy like Kanter who can at least dominate the glass, is very durable and can score inside even if he's useless defensively.
 

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If the Lakers pick does not convey this year I would not be so sure about likely top 10.

The trade itself has not worked out though...

I would much rather trade the Lakers pick plus Bledsoe for a draft pick to get D'Angelo Russell or something like that. I guess having rights to Knight gives us the option to shop Bledsoe for a high draft pick.
 
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I wish we would have just gave up on this dual PG lineup, and if anything gave up that pick for a guy like Kanter who can at least dominate the glass, is very durable and can score inside even if he's useless defensively.

Life would have been easier if the Suns had traded for Kanter. The Suns could have used his offense. Len and Kanter would have been nice at center. Then they could have gone after another big man in the draft and perhaps another in free agency. I'm not sure why the Suns are locked into a dual PG type. The Suns definitely need more shooting. However, I would rather have depth upfront. Shooters are easier to find.
 

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Life would have been easier if the Suns had traded for Kanter. The Suns could have used his offense. Len and Kanter would have been nice at center. Then they could have gone after another big man in the draft and perhaps another in free agency. I'm not sure why the Suns are locked into a dual PG type. The Suns definitely need more shooting. However, I would rather have depth upfront. Shooters are easier to find.

Kanter is so horrible defensively. This new Suns mgmt looks at defense as much or more than offense.
 

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I think we need to give up the belly aching on Kanter. IMO it was never realistic. They were not going to reward Len's huge improvement by benching him, and Kanter, as an impending free agent, would have done his damnedest to get out of town and get a secure starting role.

It was not going to happen.
 

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Life would have been easier if the Suns had traded for Kanter. The Suns could have used his offense. Len and Kanter would have been nice at center. Then they could have gone after another big man in the draft and perhaps another in free agency. I'm not sure why the Suns are locked into a dual PG type. The Suns definitely need more shooting. However, I would rather have depth upfront. Shooters are easier to find.
Yea and I think Kanter-Len could have worked well together as well just like OKC is trying with Kanter-Adams.
Kanter is so horrible defensively. This new Suns mgmt looks at defense as much or more than offense.

Yea the likes of Kieff, Marcus, Warren, Green, Ennis sure were good defensively.

Kanter and Kieff both suck defensively, difference is that one is a good consistent inside scorer (with a developing jumper) and a great rebounder while the other makes ill advised moves both on and off the court and isn't close to being the rebounder Kanter is.
 

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Do you really believe that? Based on what? Certainly not the make up of the roster. Hornacek said himself that there are too many guys just looking to score.

Hornacek said that relative to passing and so on on offense. He did not say that they look to score instead of defending.

Defensively we are clearly a much better team than before. For some parts post trade deadline we were the top defensive team in the NBA by Drating.
 

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Defensively we are clearly a much better team than before. For some parts post trade deadline we were the top defensive team in the NBA by Drating.
Compared to when?
This team has not been, nor is it anywhere near being a good defensive team. When a team has a better month of keeping the scoring down and flying to the ball it doesn't mean they've turned the corner or have suddenly discovered a new way to approach the game as a unit.
 

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This team has not been, nor is it anywhere near being a good defensive team. When a team has a better month of keeping the scoring down and flying to the ball it doesn't mean they've turned the corner or have suddenly discovered a new way to approach the game as a unit.

7 Seconds or less? At least the team has some defensive capable guys. Not that I have seen them put it all together for more than short stretches. However, I agree it's the defensive cohesion of the team as a unit that hasn't come together consistently.

This is bad. This looks bad for the FO. You trade a highly coveted pick, trade half your roster, bring in a guy with a contract coming up that is now out for the season.

This really complicates what you are going to do with him.
 
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7 Seconds or less? At least the team has some defensive capable guys. Not that I have seen them put it all together for more than short stretches. However, I agree it's the defensive cohesion of the team as a unit that hasn't come together consistently.

This is bad. This looks bad for the FO. You trade a highly coveted pick, trade half your roster, bring in a guy with a contract coming up that is now out for the season.

This really complicates what you are going to do with him.

I said earlier in the season the Suns are running a bad offensive version of SSOL. Actually Alex Len would have been a go fit for this system. The Suns are in no man's land. They do not play good offense or good defense. I would settle if the Suns could at least do one or the other. Also let's not forget that the Suns played some of their best basketball under SSOL. I'm still not convinced it could not be revived without Steve Nash with the right PG with more attention to defense.
 
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I also wanted to say, the Warriors look similar to SSOL except with defense.
 
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I understand. It sort of sounds funny except he only played in 11 game since the Suns traded for him on February 9th. It was a confirmation of bad news. It would be ironic if Knight never plays another game for the Suns after receiving such high praise from the Suns FO.
 

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I understand. It sort of sounds funny except he only played in 11 game since the Suns traded for him on February 9th. It was a confirmation of bad news. It would be ironic if Knight never plays another game for the Suns after receiving such high praise from the Suns FO.

You had to go there. LOL. It does look really bad if this happens.
 

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I understand. It sort of sounds funny except he only played in 11 game since the Suns traded for him on February 9th. It was a confirmation of bad news. It would be ironic if Knight never plays another game for the Suns after receiving such high praise from the Suns FO.

Its just not going to happen. They did not give up that Laker pick to lose Knight. They know they control his destiny. It might be a situation like Bledsoe last year, but they will have him on the roster next year. He will allow them to deal Bledsoe if they want.
 
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You had to go there. LOL. It does look really bad if this happens.

Its just not going to happen. They did not give up that Laker pick to lose Knight. They know they control his destiny. It might be a situation like Bledsoe last year, but they will have him on the roster next year. He will allow them to deal Bledsoe if they want.


I can see the Suns trading Bledsoe or Knight if they can get a good trade. Maybe the Suns thinking is Knight has more value than the Lakers pick. The Suns can do a sign and trade with Knight.

Correction: Knight was traded to the Suns on February 19th.
 

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7 Seconds or less? At least the team has some defensive capable guys. Not that I have seen them put it all together for more than short stretches. However, I agree it's the defensive cohesion of the team as a unit that hasn't come together consistently.

This is bad. This looks bad for the FO. You trade a highly coveted pick, trade half your roster, bring in a guy with a contract coming up that is now out for the season.

This really complicates what you are going to do with him.
Lol. I guess, but if you're not going to be a good defensive team it's probably a good idea to at least be an outstanding offensive team. Wow, i sound just like D'Antoni now. Just shoot me Daren :D

Being a good defensive team is the mentality that when you go into a game(every night) you're going to stop what they do and take it away from them. You put a roster together that can help you accomplish this. Let your offense come to you, and be prepared to get yours when you need it. The Suns don't play this way and they haven't since...
 
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Lol. I guess, but if you're not going to be a good defensive team it's probably a good idea to at least be an outstanding offensive team. Wow, i sound just like D'Antoni now. Just shoot me Daren :D

Being a good defensive team is the mentality that when you go into a game(every night) you're going to stop what they do and take it away from them. You put a roster together that can help you accomplish this. Let your offense come to you, and be prepared to get yours when you need it. The Suns don't play this way and they haven't since...

Golden State is a new improved version of SSOL that added defense.
 

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I can see the Suns trading Bledsoe or Knight if they can get a good trade. Maybe the Suns thinking is Knight has more value than the Lakers pick. The Suns can do a sign and trade with Knight.

Correction: Knight was traded to the Suns on February 19th.

That is a great point. It's very plausible that the pick would never materialize into more value versus having Knight. There is always some team out there desperate for a talented piece they think puts them over the top.

Lol. I guess, but if you're not going to be a good defensive team it's probably a good idea to at least be an outstanding offensive team. Wow, i sound just like D'Antoni now. Just shoot me Daren :D

You know an Angel just lost its wings after that comment. :gun:

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