Breakdown our OL

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Who is starting and which positions do we still need to upgrade before we are satisfied with it for years to come? How badly do we need to address it in the draft compared to other positions? Would we be happy to start the season as it is today?

 

[cardsfanmd]

Do you ever read about or watch the cards when you're not creating polls on here?

 

[Shaggy]

How is this not cards talk? Am I missing something here? He asked if you all think we are missing some key positions or are you all pretty happy with the OL we have now?

We need a center for sure. Other then that, I think we are golden, even if Hump starts.

 

[cardncubfan]

How is this not cards talk? Am I missing something here? He asked if you all think we are missing some key positions or are you all pretty happy with the OL we have now?

We need a center for sure. Other then that, I think we are golden, even if Hump starts.

This. He's been putting up some good topics for discussion. I for one have been enjoying the discussions in the other threads he's started. If you don't like the thread title don't click it. Pretty simple concept.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I know I'm in the minority, but I am fine going into the season with the OLine we have with Shipley at center. Don't know how good the young guys are, so depth at every position is a concern, the good side of that means we can take a chance on an OLine prospect at any round and not have to worry about them contributing beyond backup.

Finding a starting center in the draft would be great, but if we don't, I am still not worried.

 

[PDXChris]

LT LG and RG are set. RT will have a 2 man battle and hopefully will be set early in preseason. C is the question mark since Lyle is kind of sort of retired and A.Q. Shipley a good backup, but nothing more. Of course, being between our 2 G's, he may not seem as bad. I would like to get the best C in the draft in the 1st round and play it safe.

 

[oaken1]

we need a starting center,....and a developmental G/T

 

[Jim Otis]

Our O-Line is very likely to Breakdown if we don't shore up that Center position .

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

How is this not cards talk? Am I missing something here? He asked if you all think we are missing some key positions or are you all pretty happy with the OL we have now?

We need a center for sure. Other then that, I think we are golden, even if Hump starts.

This. He's been putting up some good topics for discussion. I for one have been enjoying the discussions in the other threads he's started. If you don't like the thread title don't click it. Pretty simple concept.

 

[Snakester]

We need a center for sure. We are good at RG this year with Mathis and may be good with Watford in the future. RT is what I'm really worried about other than center. Humphries sucked last year in the pre-season and couldn't even get any time in all 16 games. I really hope he is who Steve Keim thinks he is. We need to bring in at least one O-lineman that can play RT just in case.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I can start three more related Sissy threads of the Cardinal obvious if you guys want... this is what happens when the NFL moves the draft up like another month and milks the whole thing till there really is nothing new lol

 

[Veer]

With a quality center this year's OL has the potential to be elite. I would go defense in the 1st since we have more holes there though. None of the centers is worth a 1st rounder. And I don't even like Kelly that much. He may be smart and technically sound, but guys like Martin, Allen, Glasgow or Turk aren't far behind and some of them are even more athletic or stronger. In rounds 3 or 4, that's where we should draft a center.

Massie at RT wasn't really bad but still below average. I think Humphries will be better day one. What BA says doesn't really matter to me since the "Levi Brown is elite" saga. Looking around social media tho, Humphries put in tons of work to improve. He is a gym rat and working on his technique with a famous OL coach in Ohio and another OL training facility in Florida. If he puts in the work, with the talent he has and still just 22 yo, I think he'll be fine.

 

[Goldfield]

We need a center for sure. We are good at RG this year with Mathis and may be good with Watford in the future. RT is what I'm really worried about other than center. Humphries sucked last year in the pre-season and couldn't even get any time in all 16 games. I really hope he is who Steve Keim thinks he is. We need to bring in at least one O-lineman that can play RT just in case.

I disagree that Humphries played bad in preseason I thought he was solid. Everyone is dogging on the guy for not playing during the season, but clearly the number one goal was a SB and keeping Palmer alive was the main plan. With Massie and Watford or the roster why would you put the young rookie in there at all? You give him a year to learn and mature before giving him the job of protecting the your QB.

 

[Snakester]

I disagree that Humphries played bad in preseason I thought he was solid. Everyone is dogging on the guy for not playing during the season, but clearly the number one goal was a SB and keeping Palmer alive was the main plan. With Massie and Watford or the roster why would you put the young rookie in there at all? You give him a year to learn and mature before giving him the job of protecting the your QB.

Well he had his year and there is nobody to compete with him at RT so it's time for him to sink or swim. I'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst from him.

 

[Goldfield]

Well he had his year and there is nobody to compete with him at RT so it's time for him to sink or swim. I'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst from him.

Watford is still an option also. But all reports were if Humphries went back to school for another year he might of been a top ten pick, he has the size and athleticism you look for.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Who is starting and which positions do we still need to upgrade before we are satisfied with it for years to come?

Starting Lineup going into 2016:

LT: Veldheer
LG: Iupati
OC: Shipley
RG: Evan Mathis
RT: Humphries

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OT: ???
OG: Watford
OC: ???


As for the future, I buy 100% into the current issue that NFL is dealing with at offensive line. The fact offensive linemen are not being trained for the NFL game, and "grassroots" football is giving the NFL offensive linemen that don't run block, and never put their hand in the dirt.

Thus the offensive linemen out of college take time to develop. Thus it is hard to know what is on the roster that can work out, and what won't. Perfect example of this are the Paul Fanaika's and Ted Larson's of the NFL. They find steady work in the league because they are compitent offensive linemen that can run the plays correctly, and win their share of battles.

One a UDFA, the other a 6th or 7th round pick, and they get more attention then some former 1st round picks.

How badly do we need to address it in the draft compared to other positions?

As stated above, offensive linemen are tricky, taking one to be a future right guard, or center in the 1st three rounds would be a mistake for this team. If the Cardinals believe they are playing for the now, they have to choose players that will help them sooner rather than later, and I do not think a rookie offensive linemen is going to help them soon.

Would we be happy to start the season as it is today?

Very much so, if you look at the offensive lines across the league, we have one the better groups of linemen.

 

[Stout]

I disagree that Humphries played bad in preseason I thought he was solid. Everyone is dogging on the guy for not playing during the season, but clearly the number one goal was a SB and keeping Palmer alive was the main plan. With Massie and Watford or the roster why would you put the young rookie in there at all? You give him a year to learn and mature before giving him the job of protecting the your QB.

How much did he play in those meaningless preseason games? Everyone is NOT dogging the guy for not playing during the season. I don't think I've read a single poster upset about that. People are dogging him for NEVER GETTING A HELMET. It should disturb fans that the guy who couldn't even be active is penciled in as a starter.

We MUST get a starting C and a vet tackle who can start and play well at RT if we want to have any shot at winning a SB. That's the baseline for me. Settling at those positions, and having no option should DJ fail, is to say we aren't going all in to try to win a SB, IMO.

 

[cardncubfan]

Starting Lineup going into 2016:

LT: Veldheer
LG: Iupati
OC: Shipley
RG: Evan Mathis
RT: Humphries

----------------

OT: ???
OG: Watford
OC: ???


As for the future, I buy 100% into the current issue that NFL is dealing with at offensive line. The fact offensive linemen are not being trained for the NFL game, and "grassroots" football is giving the NFL offensive linemen that don't run block, and never put their hand in the dirt.

Thus the offensive linemen out of college take time to develop. Thus it is hard to know what is on the roster that can work out, and what won't. Perfect example of this are the Paul Fanaika's and Ted Larson's of the NFL. They find steady work in the league because they are compitent offensive linemen that can run the plays correctly, and win their share of battles.

One a UDFA, the other a 6th or 7th round pick, and they get more attention then some former 1st round picks.





As stated above, offensive linemen are tricky, taking one to be a future right guard, or center in the 1st three rounds would be a mistake for this team. If the Cardinals believe they are playing for the now, they have to choose players that will help them sooner rather than later, and I do not think a rookie offensive linemen is going to help them soon.



Very much so, if you look at the offensive lines across the league, we have one the better groups of linemen.

Good post Rugby. Can't say I disagree with any of it.

 

[GuernseyCard]

How much did he play in those meaningless preseason games? Everyone is NOT dogging the guy for not playing during the season. I don't think I've read a single poster upset about that. People are dogging him for NEVER GETTING A HELMET. It should disturb fans that the guy who couldn't even be active is penciled in as a starter.

We MUST get a starting C and a vet tackle who can start and play well at RT if we want to have any shot at winning a SB. That's the baseline for me. Settling at those positions, and having no option should DJ fail, is to say we aren't going all in to try to win a SB, IMO.

Why would you activate a guy who is simply taking up a game day slot better used at another position?

(DJ was taking his snaps and in the game planning meetings during the week, so there was virtually nothing to be learned by hanging around on the sidelines in uniform and, no doubt, was there in civilian dress. And Arians made it clear mid-season that had an injury occurred at tackle he'd have no reservations about using him.)

I'm sure a swing tackle will be one of the priorities after the draft and any suggestion that BASK isn't in it to win the big prize is silly - IMO.

 

[Goldfield]

How much did he play in those meaningless preseason games? Everyone is NOT dogging the guy for not playing during the season. I don't think I've read a single poster upset about that. People are dogging him for NEVER GETTING A HELMET. It should disturb fans that the guy who couldn't even be active is penciled in as a starter.

We MUST get a starting C and a vet tackle who can start and play well at RT if we want to have any shot at winning a SB. That's the baseline for me. Settling at those positions, and having no option should DJ fail, is to say we aren't going all in to try to win a SB, IMO.

SB is the expectation absolutely. We drafted Humphries to be groomed and be ready to take over when Massie left. With Massie on the roster there was no reason to rush a rookie onto the field and risk Palmer. I think the back up plan for RT is Watford.

 

[Cardiac]

SB is the expectation absolutely. We drafted Humphries to be groomed and be ready to take over when Massie left. With Massie on the roster there was no reason to rush a rookie onto the field and risk Palmer. I think the back up plan for RT is Watford.

This!

I would still like BASK to sign a vet OT for depth and if possible a vet CB as well.

 

[cardncubfan]

SB is the expectation absolutely. We drafted Humphries to be groomed and be ready to take over when Massie left. With Massie on the roster there was no reason to rush a rookie onto the field and risk Palmer. I think the back up plan for RT is Watford.

This!

I would still like BASK to sign a vet OT for depth and if possible a vet CB as well.

+1

 

[Stout]

Why would you activate a guy who is simply taking up a game day slot better used at another position?

(DJ was taking his snaps and in the game planning meetings during the week, so there was virtually nothing to be learned by hanging around on the sidelines in uniform and, no doubt, was there in civilian dress. And Arians made it clear mid-season that had an injury occurred at tackle he'd have no reservations about using him.)

I'm sure a swing tackle will be one of the priorities after the draft and any suggestion that BASK isn't in it to win the big prize is silly - IMO.

Wrong question. Why isn't a 1st-rounder good enough to be activated? Why isn't he good enough to be a frickin' BACKUP? Your question both shows how lousy he was last season by conceding he wasn't good enough to earn a backup tackle slot, and tries to misdirect from the topic. Position has nothing to do with it. He couldn't achieve backup status at his OWN position. This is damning.

And pretending there's nothing to be gained by suiting up on game day is just plain naive. There's plenty to learn, at every level. Ask anyone who has ever played or coached the game. And Arians clearly had reservations about using him in case of injury to a tackle because he WASN'T a backup. He'd only have become activated as a backup in the case of an injury the game before. This just feeds back into the double-speak some posters are trying to use about DJ and the team's expectations of him changing (or, rather, people pretending the expectations were the same for him all along).

That DJ couldn't make the active roster is troubling, and damning.

SB is the expectation absolutely. We drafted Humphries to be groomed and be ready to take over when Massie left. With Massie on the roster there was no reason to rush a rookie onto the field and risk Palmer. I think the back up plan for RT is Watford.

Revisionist history, Beerz. The expectations for Humphries changed between the draft and the beginning of the season, clearly. No, there wasn't a need to rush him onto the field and risk Palmer. To have him never dress for a game, to never get a helmet, though, is inexcusable.

I agree that the backup plan is likely Watford, but I don't like that backup plan. I want us to have a vet who can start that I can be confident will help us win a SB at RT. I don't have that confidence in Watford, and certainly not in Humphries.

 

[ajcardfan]

Sowell suited up every game, and Humphries didn't suit up once. We all know Sowell is a substandard starter, and Humphries couldn't even bump him off the FG team.


I didn't check that... I'm prepared for someone to tell me I'm wrong on either one.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Wrong question. Why isn't a 1st-rounder good enough to be activated? Why isn't he good enough to be a frickin' BACKUP? Your question both shows how lousy he was last season by conceding he wasn't good enough to earn a backup tackle slot, and tries to misdirect from the topic. Position has nothing to do with it. He couldn't achieve backup status at his OWN position. This is damning.

And pretending there's nothing to be gained by suiting up on game day is just plain naive. There's plenty to learn, at every level. Ask anyone who has ever played or coached the game. And Arians clearly had reservations about using him in case of injury to a tackle because he WASN'T a backup. He'd only have become activated as a backup in the case of an injury the game before. This just feeds back into the double-speak some posters are trying to use about DJ and the team's expectations of him changing (or, rather, people pretending the expectations were the same for him all along).

That DJ couldn't make the active roster is troubling, and damning.



Revisionist history, Beerz. The expectations for Humphries changed between the draft and the beginning of the season, clearly. No, there wasn't a need to rush him onto the field and risk Palmer. To have him never dress for a game, to never get a helmet, though, is inexcusable.

I agree that the backup plan is likely Watford, but I don't like that backup plan. I want us to have a vet who can start that I can be confident will help us win a SB at RT. I don't have that confidence in Watford, and certainly not in Humphries.

BJ, who came out early, a point of importance often neglected in these conversations, showed in the off-season that he wasn't quite ready for prime time. No great sin there; most of the tackles drafted in the last number of years have shown some difficulty adapting to the pro game.

This may be troubling, damning and inexcusable to you but hardly to me given that we had a qualified R-tackle and a swing tackle on board. They red shirted him and now say he's ready to step in, which is precisely what most hoped for going into 2016.

Must say that I find baffling that you try to buttress your frustration with the suggestion that somehow you learn more walking around the sidelines in uniform, taking up a game day slot than paying attention in civvies.

I guess there's some weird sixth sense that kicks in when you put on a uniform.