Breakdown our OL

[Stout]

BJ, who came out early, a point of importance often neglected in these conversations, showed in the off-season that he wasn't quite ready for prime time. No great sin there; most of the tackles drafted in the last number of years have shown some difficulty adapting to the pro game.

This may be troubling, damning and inexcusable to you but hardly to me given that we had a qualified R-tackle and a swing tackle on board. They red shirted him and now say he's ready to step in, which is precisely what most hoped for going into 2016.

Must say that I find baffling that you try to buttress your frustration with the suggestion that somehow you learn more walking around the sidelines in uniform, taking up a game day slot than paying attention in civvies.

I guess there's some weird sixth sense that kicks in when you put on a uniform.

You are clueless. You seriously think you gain nothing from extra practice time during the week (that you don't get when you aren't suiting up), going through the experience of pre-game workouts, gelling with the team in the locker room, getting a snap here and there in the game through injuries/spelling, playing on special teams (you know, PLAYING FOOTBALL IN REAL GAMES), greater involvement on game day in sideline coaching, and...I could go on, but I've embarrassed you enough.

Do you really, REALLY want to claim that what you learn for 17 weeks as an inactive player is 100 percent equal to what you learn and experience from being active for that same amount of time? Really? Didn't think so.

 

[Stout]

BJ, who came out early, a point of importance often neglected in these conversations, showed in the off-season that he wasn't quite ready for prime time. No great sin there; most of the tackles drafted in the last number of years have shown some difficulty adapting to the pro game.

This may be troubling, damning and inexcusable to you but hardly to me given that we had a qualified R-tackle and a swing tackle on board. They red shirted him and now say he's ready to step in, which is precisely what most hoped for going into 2016.

As for the rest, first round picks are meant to be impact players, right away. It's a fact of the modern NFL. I hate it, but it's set up that way. We got a redshirt freshman, but not one we were expecting to have to redshirt--he simply wasn't ready. So, already, he disappointed the coaches in not being as ready as they thought.

The problem is that he's an unknown right now, and whiffed last season. Hey, if he steps in and performs well, and isn't a weak link on the line? That'll be great for this season and beyond. That's what I'm hoping for, with all my heart. When people start banging on posters for not showing 100 percent adulation of what was a complete wash of a 1st-round pick last year, well, some of us fire back. It'll be nice if DJ plays well this season and beyond, but he was nothing more than a frustration and a disappointment last year.

 

[GuernseyCard]

You are clueless. You seriously think you gain nothing from extra practice time during the week (that you don't get when you aren't suiting up), going through the experience of pre-game workouts, gelling with the team in the locker room, getting a snap here and there in the game through injuries/spelling, playing on special teams (you know, PLAYING FOOTBALL IN REAL GAMES), greater involvement on game day in sideline coaching, and...I could go on, but I've embarrassed you enough.

Do you really, REALLY want to claim that what you learn for 17 weeks as an inactive player is 100 percent equal to what you learn and experience from being active for that same amount of time? Really? Didn't think so.

Almost too silly for words.

DJ was not on the practice squad and as a member of the final 53 was involved in all preparations during the week. The reason why Arians said that from mid-season he'd have no problem activating him if required.

Thankfully, as he was not needed, he didn't take up a game day slot.

It was a year of better nutrition, better training, and oodles of film study. A quick review of the tape shows him on the sideline in civvies taking in the game-day experience.

I share the "clueless" view expressed by the Coach that he's now ready to take on the right tackle position.

It would be an interesting study to find out why it is, according to you, that players learn more standing on the sideline in uniform than in civvies.

 

[Stout]

Almost too silly for words.

DJ was not on the practice squad and as a member of the final 53 was involved in all preparations during the week. The reason why Arians said that from mid-season he'd have no problem activating him if required.

Thankfully, as he was not needed, he didn't take up a game day slot.

It was a year of better nutrition, better training, and oodles of film study. A quick review of the tape shows him on the sideline in civvies taking in the game-day experience.

I share the "clueless" view expressed by the Coach that he's now ready to take on the right tackle position.

It would be an interesting study to find out why it is, according to you, that players learn more standing on the sideline in uniform than in civvies.

Great, pretend I didn't write half of what I wrote to make your argument. Yeah, because THAT makes you sound smarter

Fair enough--I'll parse it so there's only one topic for you to reply to: Taking snaps in an NFL game--does it do more to prepare a player for the NFL than watching in street clothes? You know, does PLAYING IN AN NFL GAME PREPARE YOU BETTER THAN NOT PLAYING?

Remember, as part of the active roster, players play on special teams and, on occasion, have to step in for other players. So, please answer the above, and I accept your apology

 

[GuernseyCard]

Great, pretend I didn't write half of what I wrote to make your argument. Yeah, because THAT makes you sound smarter

Fair enough--I'll parse it so there's only one topic for you to reply to: Taking snaps in an NFL game--does it do more to prepare a player for the NFL than watching in street clothes? You know, does PLAYING IN AN NFL GAME PREPARE YOU BETTER THAN NOT PLAYING?

Remember, as part of the active roster, players play on special teams and, on occasion, have to step in for other players. So, please answer the above, and I accept your apology

Playing Right tackle in an NFL game prepares you to play Right tackle in the NFL.

Going down in a 3-point stance on an extra point prepares you to go down in a 3-point stance on an extra point.

BJ was not active because he was not ready; there were other more experienced backups available and having him take up a roster spot on game day made no sense to Coach Arians.

Silly of me to agree with him.

 

[Stout]

Playing Right tackle in an NFL game prepares you to play Right tackle in the NFL.

Going down in a 3-point stance on an extra point prepares you to go down in a 3-point stance on an extra point.

BJ was not active because he was not ready; there were other more experienced backups available and having him take up a roster spot on game day made no sense to Coach Arians.

Silly of me to agree with him.

Thank you. On this we can agree. He wasn't. The team clearly thought he would be more ready when they drafted him, but he certainly wasn't ready last year. Let's hope he is this season.

On the rest...well, you don't know much about playing football, I can say that You have begun changing your argument. Now the difference isn't learning anything as a football player dressing versus not dressing, it's learning how to play right tackle. Although, you know, when you have to spell a player at RT, or go in when a player is hurt at RT, you ARE taking snaps at RT, so even your 'revised because you were wrong and you're trying so hard to be right' argument doesn't hold water.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Thank you. On this we can agree. He wasn't. The team clearly thought he would be more ready when they drafted him, but he certainly wasn't ready last year. Let's hope he is this season.

On the rest...well, you don't know much about playing football, I can say that You have begun changing your argument. Now the difference isn't learning anything as a football player dressing versus not dressing, it's learning how to play right tackle. Although, you know, when you have to spell a player at RT, or go in when a player is hurt at RT, you ARE taking snaps at RT, so even your 'revised because you were wrong and you're trying so hard to be right' argument doesn't hold water.

Pundits, moments after BJ was drafted, said that he should have stayed in school an extra year; saw him as a project and a good investment. With notable exceptions, notably you, the majority of posters understood that dividends from the pick would come in 2016.

Like all of the recent O-tackle picks, he needed to improve his technique in the run game; gain strength, etc., etc.

Why? given this, anyone would bitch and moan about him not taking snaps on a 13-3 team in his first year is beyond me.

Massie played almost all snaps and both Watford and Sowell had more experience in the system and had the added advantage of being able to play more than one position on game day.

He was learning to play right tackle Monday to Friday and at no point was he needed on Sunday. End of story.

What do I know?

I know chickens don't have fingers; buffalos don't have wings; moths don't have balls... and some Americans think there is a genetic marker, found only in them, that offers a faultless understanding of American rules football.

 

[Stout]

Pundits, moments after BJ was drafted, said that he should have stayed in school an extra year; saw him as a project and a good investment. With notable exceptions, notably you, the majority of posters understood that dividends from the pick would come in 2016.

Like all of the recent O-tackle picks, he needed to improve his technique in the run game; gain strength, etc., etc.

Why? given this, anyone would bitch and moan about him not taking snaps on a 13-3 team in his first year is beyond me.

Massie played almost all snaps and both Watford and Sowell had more experience in the system and had the added advantage of being able to play more than one position on game day.

He was learning to play right tackle Monday to Friday and at no point was he needed on Sunday. End of story.

What do I know?

I know chickens don't have fingers; buffalos don't have wings; moths don't have balls... and some Americans think there is a genetic marker, found only in them, that offers a faultless understanding of American rules football.

Right to the bolded. That's why a bunch of people were upset we drafted DJ--not BJ, btw. It was a head-scratcher of a pick for a team in win-now mode. I was not at all expecting the pick to pay dividends last season.

You're still distorting what I type, by the way. I'm perfectly fine with him not getting a bunch of playing time last season. With how raw he was, we would have been daft to play him right away. The ONLY problem myself and other posters has is that he didn't even show enough to make the bench. He was scout team and, as such would get far fewer reps in practice than every player on the OL who would be active for game day. Yet another reason it's troubling he never made the active roster. Even with your strange assertion that being active does 0% to make a rookie better, it's baffling how some few posters don't acknowledge that.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Right to the bolded. That's why a bunch of people were upset we drafted DJ--not BJ, btw. It was a head-scratcher of a pick for a team in win-now mode. I was not at all expecting the pick to pay dividends last season.

You're still distorting what I type, by the way. I'm perfectly fine with him not getting a bunch of playing time last season. With how raw he was, we would have been daft to play him right away. The ONLY problem myself and other posters has is that he didn't even show enough to make the bench. He was scout team and, as such would get far fewer reps in practice than every player on the OL who would be active for game day. Yet another reason it's troubling he never made the active roster. Even with your strange assertion that being active does 0% to make a rookie better, it's baffling how some few posters don't acknowledge that.

Good use of 'daft' and we'll leave it until September.

Cheers

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Thanks for all the info on our OL. Good to see some emotion and good old arguments for a change on here. I will take from all this that we basicly need a good long term starting C immediately, as well as a competent backup swing OL. That should be easy to correct with our draft this year: Kelly in R1 and any of numerous college OTs such as Le'Raven Clark in R3 should do it.

That will still leave us needed to fill the holes in the back of our D. I doubt we can find a starting CB or S after R3 in this draft, but of course there will be some backup ones with some potential of being starters down the line. I would of liked to see us get a good starting CB in FA this year.

In the mocks I run, the CB from N.D. often falls to the 4th or 5th rounds. But I don't see that happening in the real draft. I like him though for he is projected as being able to play either CB or S.

 

[Stout]

Good use of 'daft' and we'll leave it until September.

Cheers