Breaking: Joey Porter arrested

[Sandan]

Yes it is a sign of guilt. Whether you believe it or not. It's not the end all be all. But like I said earlier it is the icing on the cake.

But failing the BS subjective field sobriety test is sufficient evidence to arrest me and probably convict. It certainly makes my defense much harder.

 

[82CardsGrad]

All this "whoa is me crap" is a bunch of bunk...

The reality is that to a large - very large degree, policemen/women do a very, very good job.
Start with the fact that theirs is an extremely tough, stressful and incredibly challenging occupation. One where each time they stop a car or enter some sort of fray, they don't know if they are about to lose their life. It's amazing how many here can't seem to fully grasp that concept.

Are there bad, moronic cops? Sure. But isn't that true in every walk of life??
I learned a very long time ago and in a not so nice way that whether you believe you are right or wrong, chances are you did something to bring about whatever the unfavorable reaction was from an officer... If any of you believe otherwise, you need to re-examine yourself.
I learned the value of doing everything I can to not put myself in situations that would cause an officer to want to look twice at me. That means driving the speed limit - always. That means NOT drinking and driving - ever. It means being aware of when a police car is next to me... If I'm on the road past midnight, I take even extra caution to ensure I do not warrant any additional curiousity from an officer...

I start with the basic understanding that they are in our lives to serve and protect me. And more often than not, I find that I am extremely thankful and grateful for having them around.

Now - go on with your "whoa is me", "I get singled out" sagas...

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I NEVER drink and drive.

So please don't roll your eyes when I object to being asked to submit to a subjective sobriety test.

I wasn't directing that at you. You even said "Not saying I would refuse a breath test or blood test."

It was directed at the comment questioning a cop's logic.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I was really wary of signing Porter. Man it didn't take long for him to realize my concerns! At least he is consistant.

What to do with Porter???


I say we cage him up. Have people with opposing teams jerseys go in and poke at him with sticks and throw insults at him. Then you transport the cage to the game site and let him loose for 3 hours.

 

[Pariah]

If the only NFL sanction is a 1-2 game suspension, then I think we're fortunate.

 

[jefftheshark]

You cannot rule out possibility that the cops went out of their way to roust Porter (because he was obnoxious and/or, yes, at least partly because he was Black) - that possibility also being 95% circumstantial).

You could be on to something here that perhaps everyone is missing.

This event occurred in Bakersfield CALIFORNIA. The cops are obviously freakin' 49'er fans!


It's just another blatant case of DWC - Driving While being a Cardinal

JTS

 

[Crazy Canuck]

You could be on to something here that perhaps everyone is missing.

This event occurred in Bakersfield CALIFORNIA. The cops are obviously freakin' 49'er fans!


It's just another blatant case of DWC - Driving While being a Cardinal

JTS

Porter is a monosyllabic, obnoxious, big mouth - who get's to the QB.

Guess what part of this description matters to me?

 

[Black Jesus]

How is this 17 pages?

 

[Black Jesus]

I was thinking maybe it was a Leonard Little manslaughter case or something.

 

[Shane]

Shane, can I just say as someone who's no fan of authority figures, I am sorry for the ridiculousness you've had to put up with in this thread.

Thank you kind sir!

 

[Shane]

You refuse EVERY TIME. Yes, there are penalties for refusing SB tests, but unless you are so plastered, by the time that a warrant could be issued and test administered, all alcohol should be out of your system.

What is it you guys don't understand that a warrant isnt needed to check for your BAC? They can and will do a forced blood draw each and every time if necessary. They will do it in time for your BAC to be more than high enough as well.

 

[82CardsGrad]

All this "whoa is me crap" is a bunch of bunk...

The reality is that to a large - very large degree, policemen/women do a very, very good job.
Start with the fact that theirs is an extremely tough, stressful and incredibly challenging occupation. One where each time they stop a car or enter some sort of fray, they don't know if they are about to lose their life. It's amazing how many here can't seem to fully grasp that concept.

Are there bad, moronic cops? Sure. But isn't that true in every walk of life??
I learned a very long time ago and in a not so nice way that whether you believe you are right or wrong, chances are you did something to bring about whatever the unfavorable reaction was from an officer... If any of you believe otherwise, you need to re-examine yourself.
I learned the value of doing everything I can to not put myself in situations that would cause an officer to want to look twice at me. That means driving the speed limit - always. That means NOT drinking and driving - ever. It means being aware of when a police car is next to me... If I'm on the road past midnight, I take even extra caution to ensure I do not warrant any additional curiousity from an officer...

I start with the basic understanding that they are in our lives to serve and protect me. And more often than not, I find that I am extremely thankful and grateful for having them around.

Now - go on with your "whoa is me", "I get singled out" sagas...

Thank you kind sir!

Thought you find the above to your liking as well Officer Shane!

 

[Shane]

Thought you find the above to your liking as well Officer Shane!

Yup very much so. Was weeding my way through the whole thread again to catch up

:head2head:

 

[red desert]

You absolutely can do a forced blood draw. I have done more than 50 of them personally. Completely legal and yes in THIS COUNTRY!

I don't buy it.

Unless you strapped someone onto a gurney against their will, their limbs flailing away at you and all others, it was not forced in the truest sense of the word. It just wasn't. They complied due to fear of consequence.

Even on the direct order of a search warrant one can not be forced. They risk immediate incarceration for contempt of the Judge's Order, but even then they cannot be forced.

 

[joshstmarie]

Shane is a cop? It all makes sense now.

 

[splitsecond]

I don't buy it.

Unless you strapped someone onto a gurney against their will, their limbs flailing away at you and all others, it was not forced in the truest sense of the word. It just wasn't. They complied due to fear of consequence.

Even on the direct order of a search warrant one can not be forced. They risk immediate incarceration for contempt of the Judge's Order, but even then they cannot be forced.

now you are just arguing semantics. a warrant is legal force, and quite frankly, yes they probably could tie someone down to draw blood if they wanted too. it never gets to that point though because getting charged with resisting arrest or contempt of court is worse than a damn dui.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

What is it you guys don't understand that a warrant isnt needed to check for your BAC? They can and will do a forced blood draw each and every time if necessary. They will do it in time for your BAC to be more than high enough as well.

So you are saying that the cops can force a blood draw on the side of the street? They have to at least take you in a sterile environment I'm sure. If not, I would sue the hell out of you, (yes, even you Shane ) and win if you didn't. That extra time is what a lot of people need. That is my argument. No point in resisting if you had 5 beers in one hour and then got caught immediately after.

 

[Monty]

So you are saying that the cops can force a blood draw on the side of the street? They have to at least take you in a sterile environment I'm sure. If not, I would sue the hell out of you, (yes, even you Shane ) and win if you didn't. That extra time is what a lot of people need. That is my argument. No point in resisting if you had 5 beers in one hour and then got caught immediately after.

You sound like a man speaking from experience

 

[Mainstreet]

Shane's right, but I have also heard tons and tons of stories where people give consent and that basically tosses any 4th amendment rights that you had in the first place. However (Shane correct me if I'm wrong), if a cop pulls you over for a tail light, turn signal violation, outdated inspection, etc. he is aloud to conduct a visual check of the car and if he can visibly notice any incriminating evidence then he can search the car. If there is no PC, then the vehicle can be impounded and a warrant can be obtained for a search of the vehicle.

Shane, is the 60 minute detention thing just in your state, or is that a practice in place everywhere?

To impound a vehicle to do a search the officer would have to have probable cause. If the officer has probable cause, he can do a search right there and then. The whole thing, the officer has to have probable cause to search the vehicle unless consent is granted. Also who is going to issue a warrant without probable cause? Police can make it tough for you my detaining you for a reasonable amount of time without probable cause (if so inclined) but I can't see a good officer doing this unless they are just irritated by your behavior (e.g., failure to grant a search without the presence of probable cause).

Yes, I know police can lie during an investigation but I wouldn't think much of an officer if you politely asked a direct question about the law and they gave you erroneous information in return.

 

[40yearfan]

If I told you guys some of the crap I got away with in my younger days, you wouldn't believe it. Things were much different in the 70's.

I have as much respect for our policemen/women and firefighers as I have for our servicemen/women. They all put their lives on the line for us every day. I've always found that if you treat them with respect, they will return that respect.

 

[Cardiac]

I was really wary of signing Porter. Man it didn't take long for him to realize my concerns! At least he is consistant.

What to do with Porter???


I say we cage him up. Have people with opposing teams jerseys go in and poke at him with sticks and throw insults at him. Then you transport the cage to the game site and let him loose for 3 hours.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

If I told you guys some of the crap I got away with in my younger days, you wouldn't believe it. Things were much different in the 30's.

FTFY