Brilliant or Boneheaded?

[don7031]

The mistake was not throwing the ball. The mistake was asking Russell Wilson to make a timing throw from the pocket. He was late on the throw. If Wilson gets the ball to Lockette while Lockette is still behind the pick there is no way the pass can be intercepted.

When the Seahawks ran Lynch against the Patriots heavy package on third and one at the Patriots eight, Lynch was stopped in the backfield forcing a field goal. So the Seahawks lost by running Lynch and by not running Lynch.

 

[GatorAZ]

The mistake was not throwing the ball. The mistake was asking Russell Wilson to make a timing throw from the pocket. He was late on the throw. If Wilson gets the ball to Lockette while Lockette is still behind the pick there is no way the pass can be intercepted.

When the Seahawks ran Lynch against the Patriots heavy package on third and one at the Patriots eight, Lynch was stopped in the backfield forcing a field goal. So the Seahawks lost by running Lynch and by not running Lynch.

I think Wilson expected Lockett to go a little harder. Either way it's a stupid play call even if he catches it because he'd be short of the goal line anyway.

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[ajcardfan]

Not PI...textbook play on the ball by the DB.

He beat him to the spot and had the right to be there. Doesn't matter they bumped before the ball got to either. Agreed that it was a good non-call.

 

[Hollywood]

According to Kurt Warner Lockett screwed up by not running the route correctly. He said that if he takes a couple steps forward before cutting across it is an easy TD.

 

[GatorAZ]

According to Kurt Warner Lockett screwed up by not running the route correctly. He said that if he takes a couple steps forward before cutting across it is an easy TD.

Browner also didn't let Kearse set a good pick.

 

[mojorizen7]

The only situation where i'm using my time outs in that scenario(NE on defense) is if i'm only winning by 3 points or less.

Seattle needed a TD, so my thinking(as Belichik) is that the clock is on MY side. Put the pressure on them to make the play. With less than a minute to go, and knowing they only have 1 timeout...i'm not going to do them any favors by stopping the clock. I understand the whole save time for your offense if they DO take the lead, but in the situation the other night you buck up on defense and force them manage the dwindling clock.

 

[D-Dogg]

According to Kurt Warner Lockett screwed up by not running the route correctly. He said that if he takes a couple steps forward before cutting across it is an easy TD.

He also accidentally referred to Lockett as "Boldin."
















Too soon?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

He also accidentally referred to Lockett as "Boldin."

Too soon?

+1

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[don7031]

I think Wilson expected Lockett to go a little harder. Either way it's a stupid play call even if he catches it because he'd be short of the goal line anyway.

Which puts them in the same situation if they had run Lynch. Using their remaining time out and being in an obvious throwing situation on third down.

The NFL Network had a clip of Wilson asking Carroll "what happened?"

We now know what happened. The Patriots were sitting on that play which is why Butler was lined up five yards off the ball instead of in press coverage as was the case with all the other Patriot defenders with an assigned man. If Butler was up tight, he would have run into the pick.

The best salt in the wound comment was Butler saying he got beat on that play every time in practice.

 

[40yearfan]

Knowing when to use timeouts in sports is an art form, isn't it?

Perhaps lost in the shuffle of last night's stunning victory for the Patriots was Bill Belichick's decision to let the clock run on 2nd and goal.

Knowing the Boston fans and media the way I do, had the Seahawks scored with 20 seconds left and Tom Brady was then unable to get the 40-50 yards necessary in a mere 20 seconds to attempt a game tying FG, Belichick would have been hammered unmercifully in much the same way Pete Carroll was/is getting hammered for electing to pass on 2nd and goal from the 1 yard line.

Belichick obviously was willing to accept an all or nothing goal-line stand with the Super Bowl on the line---when clearly he did not have to.

Now---why did he let the clock run?

Was it impulse?

Even though the Seahawks looked disorganized after the Kearse catch and had to use a TO---Lynch hammers down to the 1 yard line on 1st and goal---and everyone in the stadium knew that Lynch was going to get the ball on 2nd goal with a better than 60% chance of scoring the go-ahead TD.

Everyone that is, except Pete Carroll and Darrell Bevell...

And maybe one more person had a hunch...Bill Belichick.

Belichick said he wasn't surprised that the Seahawks passed the ball and that he knew the defense had to be ready for anything and everything.

The key to all of this happening was the Seahawks having to use their second timeout after the Kearse miracle.

Had the Seahawks two TOs left---Belichick would have used his TOs to stop the clock.

But the one TO left scenario had the Seahawks very clock-conscious---and when coaches and players are clock-conscious everything hastens, especially the play-calling and the execution of the plays.

Had Belichick used a TO after the Lynch run to the 1 yard line...now giving Pete Carroll and Darrel Bevell the time to think and more time on the clock, is there any chance at all the Seahawks would have passed the ball in that situation?

None.

Belichick therefore gambled that with the clock ticking the Seahawks might do something hasty---and by geez---they did.

Most likely what Belichick was hoping for is an off-sides penalty or a holding call, or botched up timing on the play---or just as much as anything---a stuff in the backfield.

Had one of those occurred---the Seahawks would have had to use their final TO---and with 20 seconds left they would have had to pass the ball at least on 3rd down and quite possibly on 4th down.

So Belichick let the Seahawks feel the pressure of the clock---and as it turns out his instincts were brilliant---

And...those same instincts were one Marshawn Lynch 1 yard run away from being hailed as one of the most boneheaded coaching decisions in Super Bowl history, especially when the coach has Tom Brady at QB.

So fine is the line between brilliant and boneheaded, isn't it?

Well thought out Mitch. I can believe Belichick would follow this thought process. He has a brilliant football mind.

 

[D-Dogg]

+1

I was thinking the same thing.

It hurt me to write it, if I'm being honest.

 

[john h]

Knowing when to use timeouts in sports is an art form, isn't it?

Perhaps lost in the shuffle of last night's stunning victory for the Patriots was Bill Belichick's decision to let the clock run on 2nd and goal.

Knowing the Boston fans and media the way I do, had the Seahawks scored with 20 seconds left and Tom Brady was then unable to get the 40-50 yards necessary in a mere 20 seconds to attempt a game tying FG, Belichick would have been hammered unmercifully in much the same way Pete Carroll was/is getting hammered for electing to pass on 2nd and goal from the 1 yard line.

Belichick obviously was willing to accept an all or nothing goal-line stand with the Super Bowl on the line---when clearly he did not have to.

Now---why did he let the clock run?

Was it impulse?

Even though the Seahawks looked disorganized after the Kearse catch and had to use a TO---Lynch hammers down to the 1 yard line on 1st and goal---and everyone in the stadium knew that Lynch was going to get the ball on 2nd goal with a better than 60% chance of scoring the go-ahead TD.

Everyone that is, except Pete Carroll and Darrell Bevell...

And maybe one more person had a hunch...Bill Belichick.

Belichick said he wasn't surprised that the Seahawks passed the ball and that he knew the defense had to be ready for anything and everything.

The key to all of this happening was the Seahawks having to use their second timeout after the Kearse miracle.

Had the Seahawks two TOs left---Belichick would have used his TOs to stop the clock.

But the one TO left scenario had the Seahawks very clock-conscious---and when coaches and players are clock-conscious everything hastens, especially the play-calling and the execution of the plays.

Had Belichick used a TO after the Lynch run to the 1 yard line...now giving Pete Carroll and Darrel Bevell the time to think and more time on the clock, is there any chance at all the Seahawks would have passed the ball in that situation?

None.

Belichick therefore gambled that with the clock ticking the Seahawks might do something hasty---and by geez---they did.

Most likely what Belichick was hoping for is an off-sides penalty or a holding call, or botched up timing on the play---or just as much as anything---a stuff in the backfield.

Had one of those occurred---the Seahawks would have had to use their final TO---and with 20 seconds left they would have had to pass the ball at least on 3rd down and quite possibly on 4th down.

So Belichick let the Seahawks feel the pressure of the clock---and as it turns out his instincts were brilliant---

And...those same instincts were one Marshawn Lynch 1 yard run away from being hailed as one of the most boneheaded coaching decisions in Super Bowl history, especially when the coach has Tom Brady at QB.

So fine is the line between brilliant and boneheaded, isn't it?

People can come up with all sorts of scenerios. That call is the wost in my 82 years on this planet. Even if every player on the NE team knew that Lynch was going to get the ball
he had a 99% chance of scoring in 3 plays. I do not know if Carrol made the call or the OC but in any case Carrol could have stopped it. It his responsibility. This is likely to have some sort of lasting negative effect on the team come next year. Carroll should have immediately stood in front of the media and said "This is 100% my fault. I offer my sincere apologies to the fans, players, staff and owner".

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

I don't think a pass play was necessariy a bad call, although I would have surely given it to the Beast 3 times in a row. To me, the problem was the particular pass play. I think they called the right lineup and even called the play to go to the right guy. What was wrong however, was throwing a inward slant towards where the whole D was. Too many things can go wrong, like a bobble, tip, hard hit that knocks the ball out.....and it would give all those defenders lined up inside a chance at a play on the ball.

The play should have been an quick instantaneous pass to where the WR was lined up off the line, where he could catch it easily and then follow the block of the other WR having just one man to beat by simply dodging him or simply falling forward into the end zone. The worst that could happen with that kind of pass and play would be a errant or dropped pass for an incompletion. Russel needed to simply get him the ball quickly and let him make whatever move he could to find the end zone, hoping of course that he wouldn't fumble after catching the pass.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I don't think a pass play was necessariy a bad call, although I would have surely given it to the Beast 3 times in a row. To me, the problem was the particular pass play. I think they called the right lineup and even called the play to go to the right guy. What was wrong however, was throwing a inward slant towards where the whole D was. Too many things can go wrong, like a bobble, tip, hard hit that knocks the ball out.....and it would give all those defenders lined up inside a chance at a play on the ball.

The play should have been an quick instantaneous pass to where the WR was lined up off the line, where he could catch it easily and then follow the block of the other WR having just one man to beat by simply dodging him or simply falling forward into the end zone. The worst that could happen with that kind of pass and play would be a errant or dropped pass for an incompletion. Russel needed to simply get him the ball quickly and let him make whatever move he could to find the end zone, hoping of course that he wouldn't fumble after catching the pass.

No, the worst thing that could happen would be Wilson throwing the ball but it not being ruled a forward pass... resulting in a fumble lol

 

[Cardiac]

Which puts them in the same situation if they had run Lynch. Using their remaining time out and being in an obvious throwing situation on third down.

The NFL Network had a clip of Wilson asking Carroll "what happened?"

We now know what happened. The Patriots were sitting on that play which is why Butler was lined up five yards off the ball instead of in press coverage as was the case with all the other Patriot defenders with an assigned man. If Butler was up tight, he would have run into the pick.

The best salt in the wound comment was Butler saying he got beat on that play every time in practice.

I've heard Butler interviewed on a couple of separate occasions and that's not what he said in those interviews. He said he got beat for a TD on that same play and then Billicheat coached him up on how to defend it better. Guess the coaching worked well and more evidence as to why he is such an outstanding coach.

 

[AZ Native]

I've heard Butler interviewed on a couple of separate occasions and that's not what he said in those interviews. He said he got beat for a TD on that same play and then Billicheat coached him up on how to defend it better. Guess the coaching worked well and more evidence as to why he is such an outstanding coach.

Blasphemy

 

[Cardiac]

Blasphemy

K ........ but it's the truth.