Brown: 3rd Worst LT in League

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Was on azcardinals.com MB and noticed this link.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...r-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-linemen/

The stats show the top 15 best OT, G, and C. And also, the bottom 15 over the last 3 years.

According to the stats, Levi Brown had 2207 pass blocking drop backs, with 193 QB pressures. The 193 pressures was by far the highest in the league, but because of the amount of drop backs, it didn't put him as the worst OT in the league in terms of pass blocking efficiency, otherwise he would've easily taken the crown.

Not only that, Reggie Wells, Alan Faneca, and Floyd Womack were all included in the bottom 15 of the worst guards in the league. Something tells me the Cards like having horrible O-linemen.

Im sure if false start and holding penalties were included in the stats, Brown would be one of the worst OT's in those categories as well.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I agree Brown has not performed close to what he should consider how much he is making from how high he was drafted. That said. The Cardinals scheme likes to put their OT on an island to block without any help for the most part and then one must figure in we like to pass often. Brown Island is not the paradise Revis Island is LOL

 

[KenobiOne]

*cough*
Adrian Peterson
*cough*

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I agree Brown has not performed close to what he should consider how much he is making from how high he was drafted. That said. The Cardinals scheme likes to put their OT on an island to block without any help for the most part and then one must figure in we like to pass often. Brown Island is not the paradise Revis Island is LOL

Regardless of his pay/draft status, being a starting OT in the league, whether you were UDFA or a 1st round pick, Brown has got to be better. If it's the scheme or coaching that makes these guys that bad, than Russ Grimm should find a new job, because according to these stats, the Cards had the highest abundance of horrible O-Linemen.

Mike Gandy was also on the list of worst OT. GJ Grimm.

 

[THESMEL]

sick

Man, You can no t measure the blitz welcoming last place in rushing attempts offense against traditional stats. It would be stupid to do so.

During that span we just happen to be 4-6 in the playoffs/SB. I am not sure any other line could have held up to this olines performance and expectations. I won't go into detail again,

But I grade our oline much closer to the best than to the last oline in the NFL over the last 3 years. We win more point of attack battles. Our system is a tackle killer, no 2 ways about it.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...age-Line/1e74d7e4-23f8-439f-9721-b63af3c25c24

The argument can be made that the group’s intelligence is a main building block of the Cardinals’ explosive offense. And one guy making that argument is the quarterback himself.

“There are a lot of systems out there where people say ‘We’ll let the quarterback make all the decisions,’ and say, ‘We’ll make it easier on everyone else and harder on the quarterback,’ ” Kurt Warner said. “(Offensive line coach)

“It speaks to our intelligence and our talent level as well,” Wells said. “There aren’t many offensive lines called upon to do what we do week in and week out, not just from the scheme aspect but also protecting as many times as we do and not have guys mentioned for Pro Bowl and things like that. It underestimates the abilities of guys on that line.”

Was on azcardinals.com MB and noticed this link.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...r-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-linemen/

The stats show the top 15 best OT, G, and C. And also, the bottom 15 over the last 3 years.

According to the stats, Levi Brown had 2207 pass blocking drop backs, with 193 QB pressures. The 193 pressures was by far the highest in the league, but because of the amount of drop backs, it didn't put him as the worst OT in the league in terms of pass blocking efficiency, otherwise he would've easily taken the crown.

Not only that, Reggie Wells, Alan Faneca, and Floyd Womack were all included in the bottom 15 of the worst guards in the league. Something tells me the Cards like having horrible O-linemen.

Im sure if false start and holding penalties were included in the stats, Brown would be one of the worst OT's in those categories as well.

 

[Shzm13]

*cough*
Adrian Peterson
*cough*

How many Superbowls has that guy lead the Vikes to?

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

But I grade our oline much closer to the best than to the last oline in the NFL over the last 3 years. We win more point of attack battles. Our system is a tackle killer, no 2 ways about it.

I definitely understand where you're coming from. However, proper scheme or not, it should always be the OT responsibility to handle their DE 1 on 1 more often than not, or make the proper reads/blitzes. This is Brown's fallout, he gets beat often 1 vs 1, and I've seen him more than a handful of times let blitzers go by untouched, while he stands there dumbfounded. If we replaced Brown with Jake Long, for instance, the change would be dramatically different.

 

[SunsTzu]

Guess he's not as bad as I thought.

 

[THESMEL]

Ok

Yea for the worse! All I can do is state my opinion and reasons for it.

TheWashington post? wrote about the Cards Redskins game, sorry warped memory.


link but not the same as i seen before?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/hard-hits/2010/09/offensive_line_analysis_point.html

Offensive line analysis: point of attack in pass protection


While studying the team in last night's game against the Arizona Cardinals, I really zeroed in on the offensive line. Their play, in my opinion, wasn't very good, so I wanted to go back over the other games and break down our starters. I just happened to record all of the preseason games and was able to compare my notes from last night's game with the reps of the starters in the previous games.
I have three terms for you:
(1) point of attack;
(2) levels first , second, and third;
(3) seal blocks.
Before I explain how the Redskins executed in these areas, I will explain them to you (this will require multiple posts, so stay tuned).




I'm no expert and probably was just diggin for excuses, but with 2000 pass attempts in 3 years, to less than 1000 rushes, Yea oline had plenty of opportunities to fail!

26 sacks in 08-
27-in 09-
50 in 2010.

I think Jake long and Joe Thomas would have struggled, Hell, how would i know, they were in run heavy offenses?

But Levi is a road grader built to go forward and block for the run game, not go backwards with agility to block for the pass game.

So He has done exceptional considering that, Deuce too. Them 2 on the right ride and we rarely ran the ball, what a waste.

If you can't love that than look at his stats, tll me one other play that has a -1 yard run for a TD! Gotta love the big uglies! And that my fan, is ugly! but it saved Max Halls az!

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/407209/levi-brown

I definitely understand where you're coming from. However, proper scheme or not, it should always be the OT responsibility to handle their DE 1 on 1 more often than not, or make the proper reads/blitzes. This is Brown's fallout, he gets beat often 1 vs 1, and I've seen him more than a handful of times let blitzers go by untouched, while he stands there dumbfounded. If we replaced Brown with Jake Long, for instance, the change would be dramatically different.

 

[THESMEL]

Sorry for the mess guys here it is. I just do not see anything like this mainstream, or in Arizona.


link
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/arizonas-surprisingly-efficient-run-blocking/

If that weren’t enough, the Cardinals’ rushing attack also posted less than stellar numbers last season. Their 3.5 yards per carry were second lowest in the league, and their 73.6 yards per game were the lowest. As bad as those numbers were, I simply could not figure out why Whisenhunt would even bother with the run game.
I figured he was just being stubborn until I ran the Arizona offensive line point of attack (POA) metrics. I expected that every one of the starting linemen would grade out below the 80% mark that typically signifies an acceptable run blocking performance, but the near opposite was true:
LT – Mike Gandy - 81.3% POA win rate
LG – Reggie Wells – 85.7% POA win rate
C – Lyle Sendlein – 73.0% POA win rate
RG – Deuce Lutui – 84.8% POA win rate
RT – Levi Brown – 84.0% POA win rate

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/edge-goes-to-james-in-comparison-with-hightower/

These totals show that Edge was better regardless of whether he received good blocking. He averaged .7 of a yard more per carry than Hightower when given adequate blocking and topped him by a yard when there was at least one POA loss.
The bottom line is threefold. First, if James can average 5.1 YPA runs with all POA wins, I can only imagine what Chris “Beanie” Wells can do. Second, it shows why James seems in no hurry to sign with a team. He knows he has tread left on his tire and isn’t going to underplay his hand because of it. Third, it shows that for all of his fantasy football hype last year (and I was one of those hyping him), from an overall football perspective, at this point Hightower is simply not an everydown running back.

 

[crisper57]

*cough*
Adrian Peterson
*cough*

And what could he have really done behind all those sucky linemen?

 

[crisper57]

Why oh why did the Browns have to select Joe Thomas instead of Levi???

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

LT – Mike Gandy - 81.3% POA win rate
LG – Reggie Wells – 85.7% POA win rate
C – Lyle Sendlein – 73.0% POA win rate
RG – Deuce Lutui – 84.8% POA win rate
RT – Levi Brown – 84.0% POA win rate

Good find These stats are based upon run specific plays, which was Brown's strongsuit coming out of college. However, when you focus on his pass blocking abilities, which is the main purpose of a LT, he's one of the worst, if not 'the' worst in the league at protecting the QB. If it wasn't for Kurt's quick release, Brown's sack total would be off the charts.

 

[Billy Bob]

 

[crisper57]

You may call it "beating a dead horse", but Deuce calls it "tenderizing dinner".

 

[Billy Bob]

You may call it "beating a dead horse", but Deuce calls it "tenderizing dinner".

couldn't find that smiley

 

[AzStevenCal]

You may call it "beating a dead horse", but Deuce calls it "tenderizing dinner".

lol.

Steve

 

[Mulli]

this makes the Horse Whisperer sad.

 

[Catfish]

I definitely understand where you're coming from. However, proper scheme or not, it should always be the OT responsibility to handle their DE 1 on 1 more often than not, or make the proper reads/blitzes. This is Brown's fallout, he gets beat often 1 vs 1, and I've seen him more than a handful of times let blitzers go by untouched, while he stands there dumbfounded. If we replaced Brown with Jake Long, for instance, the change would be dramatically different.

I think he wins 1 on 1 nearly 85% of the time. You are wrong about your statement that he gets beat often 1 0n 1. Yes, he gets beat. Yes, he could be better, (and Grimm has been working with him on technique). The bottom line is, (he is one of our best pass blockers on the team, whether or not you want to admit to that). Until we find someone better, we live and die with him, and so far we have not lived badly. When have you ever heard one of our QB's complain about his work, or anybody's on the O'line for that matter. He is blocking on an island out there. He lacks a real quick and fluid drop step. Given those handicaps, he as done quite well. He false starts occasionally because he is trying to stay ahead of his pass rusher, so he ratchets up the snap count, and sometimes get too quick. He gets flagged for that. If he is getting beat, he WILL hold, in order to save the QB. He gets flagged for that too. That happens to some extent with all offensive linemen. Brown is not an elite O'lineman by any extent of the word. But he is a decent journeyman LT, who certainly would be better suited to guard. In the pros, you play where they want you to play.

 

[Duckjake]

And what could he have really done behind all those sucky linemen?

Who knows? You have to ask how much better was Levi Brown at Right Tackle years 1,2,and 3 than Elton Brown would have been. Because that sucky offensive line produced some highly prolific offenses in '07-09.

AP would have played 2007,2008 and 2009. All for CKW. So we're not talking about the offensive lines that had guys like Matt Joyce and Lester Holmes and Anthony Redmon and Chris Dishman.

So better to ask what could All Day have done behind that offensive line combined with Warner and Fitz and Boldin? How would he have done going into 2nd halves with all those big leads the Cards had?

 

[JeffGollin]

Gotta question:

Do any of the stat orgs measure "average amount of time QB's have between the time they receive the snap on pass plays and the time they get rid of the ball?"

I ask in light of the almost universally bad pass pro grades that all Card linemen seemed to have.

Maybe it was because our QB's (& the plays they were asked to execute) took longer than average to develop.

Or not. Just wondering.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Gotta question:

Do any of the stat orgs measure "average amount of time QB's have between the time they receive the snap on pass plays and the time they get rid of the ball?"

I ask in light of the almost universally bad pass pro grades that all Card linemen seemed to have.

Maybe it was because our QB's (& the plays they were asked to execute) took longer than average to develop.

Or not. Just wondering.

That would be a tough stat to find, but I know from the time the qb snaps the ball, to the time they release, it's usually around 3-4 seconds. I know that Warner evaded a lot of sacks because of his quick release, but he was always at the top in terms of hurries and knockdowns. Most likely why the sack total almost doubled when Warner left...

 

[Duckjake]

That would be a tough stat to find, but I know from the time the qb snaps the ball, to the time they release, it's usually around 3-4 seconds. I know that Warner evaded a lot of sacks because of his quick release, but he was always at the top in terms of hurries and knockdowns. Most likely why the sack total almost doubled when Warner left...

If you have any, watch some replays of the Cards with Warner and keep an eye on the game clock the TV has on the screen. Kurt was getting passes out in around 2 seconds or less on some plays.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

If you have any, watch some replays of the Cards with Warner and keep an eye on the game clock the TV has on the screen. Kurt was getting passes out in around 2 seconds or less on some plays.

Oh definitely, the offense was practically forced to throw the ball that quick because the line couldn't block any longer than that. I think that's one of the main reasons the Cards were so bad at getting pass plays over 20 yards, lack of protection, and scheming that gave the QB the opportunity to get the ball out ASAP. With Kolb's mobility, I think we're going to see a lot more distance throws because he has the ability to break outside the pocket and make throws on the run. And trust me, he will be doing a lot of running lol

 

[Duckjake]

Oh definitely, the offense was practically forced to throw the ball that quick because the line couldn't block any longer than that. I think that's one of the main reasons the Cards were so bad at getting pass plays over 20 yards, lack of protection, and scheming that gave the QB the opportunity to get the ball out ASAP. With Kolb's mobility, I think we're going to see a lot more distance throws because he has the ability to break outside the pocket and make throws on the run. And trust me, he will be doing a lot of running lol

Yeah I HOPE he doesn't get hurt but his ability to run for first downs can freeze some DBs and LBs and help our WRs get open.

Of course it would be ok too if the offensive line would block better. I think they will if Lutui and Bridges play the Right Side.