Brown signs for 2 years

[SirStefan32]

I fully admit to being ignorant of what counts toward the cap, but when I add up all known salaries for next year including Brown I get $44m. That does not include Robin, rookies, or the Dragic $1m bonus. What am I missing?

I am not an expert on the new CBA, but here is what I get:

I used this as a base:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm

That's $37M, including Scola, AND Chilli. Take Chilli's $7M out of that, and we have $30M. Add Dragic (7.5), Brown (3.5), and Beasley (6) and you get the total of $47M.

That's $11M away from the $58M salary cap.

I am not sure if Brown's $3.5M (well, slightly more) salary will count towards the cap if he is waived.
I am also not really sure about the trade exemption that we got from the Lakers. Do we have to be over the cap to be able to use that, or can we use it to offer Brown, Scola, picks, and the exemption to OKC?

I think trading Scola and Brown is going to be easy, especially if we use the Lakers' picks to sweeten the deal.

EDIT:
It appears that the "Team Option" on Morris was not included in the original number, and the Warrick is being counted on Hoopshype. I am 99.9% sure that's actually a team option. In that case, we'd take the original figure of $47M, subtract Warrick and add Morris (-5+2) and we are looking at $44M. So, according to my math, you are correct- $44M not including Lopez or the rookies.

 

[TJ]

We finally have a #2 on the roster. I was beginning to worry that we'd have Dudley start there.

Fine with me.

 

[Superbone]

We finally have a #2 on the roster. I was beginning to worry that we'd have Dudley start there.

I think he still might. We'll see or maybe he'll take the Harden role as super sub off the bench.

 

[KloD]

I wonder whether there's any other team in the league that will have no one making $8 million plus.

Kings are the only ones close. The have Salmons @ $8,080,000 as their highest paid member.

 

[Griffin]

I wonder whether there's any other team in the league that will have no one making $8 million plus.

I did a quick check and I don't think there are.

As is stands right now, teams with the lowest-salaried highest paid players are:

1. Phoenix - Dragic, $7.5M
2. Sacramento - Salmons, $8.1M
3. Cleveland - Varejao, $8.6M

I fully admit to being ignorant of what counts toward the cap, but when I add up all known salaries for next year including Brown I get $44m. That does not include Robin, rookies, or the Dragic $1m bonus. What am I missing?

you are correct- $44M not including Lopez or the rookies.

Yeah, I got $44M too when I went back and started counting from scratch. My original estimates were based off a figure for this year's cap space.

Anyway, so $44M in salaries assuming the Suns waive Warrick and pick up option on Morris (which they must do before the start of this season.) If they also waive Brown, that number will come down to around $42M. Add to that a cap hold for at least one of our first round rookies (assuming high pick around $3M) and cap holds for unfilled roster spots (around $2M total) will put us at roughly $47M, or $11M under the cap assuming it stays the same. So the Suns would need to clear another $3M to give Harden a max offer sheet.

 

[KloD]

We finally have a #2 on the roster. I was beginning to worry that we'd have Dudley start there.

Fine with me.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see Dudley start @ SG. They want him to be a leader on and off the court. Not many reserves play a leadership role. At least at the beginning of the season my bet is Gortat, Scola, Beasley, Dudley, and Dragic in the starter roles.

 

[sunsfan88]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see Dudley start @ SG. They want him to be a leader on and off the court. Not many reserves play a leadership role. At least at the beginning of the season my bet is Gortat, Scola, Beasley, Dudley, and Dragic in the starter roles.

They can start both Dudley and Brown and then just bring Beasley off the bench as 6th man and provide some much needed scoring for the 2nd unit.

 

[SirStefan32]

Yeah, I got $44M too when I went back and started counting from scratch. My original estimates were based off a figure for this year's cap space.

Anyway, so $44M in salaries assuming the Suns waive Warrick and pick up option on Morris (which they must do before the start of this season.) If they also waive Brown, that number will come down to around $42M. Add to that a cap hold for at least one of our first round rookies (assuming high pick around $3M) and cap holds for unfilled roster spots (around $2M total) will put us at roughly $47M, or $11M under the cap assuming it stays the same. So the Suns would need to clear another $3M to give Harden a max offer sheet.

Yeah, $3M should not be too difficult to clear. Scola has a nice contract, and we have the trade exemption, and a bunch of draft picks, if it comes to that. I am hoping that we can arrange a sign and trade with OKC. I think Scola would be a really nice addition to their front-court. They need someone who can score in the low post. Don't get me wrong, I love Ibaka and I even like Perkins, but neither one of them can score unless they are left wide open. Scola, trade exemption, (if trade exemption can be combined with players, which I am not sure it can), a bunch of draft picks, and we might have ourselves a deal.

Alternatively, I am sure someone would take Frye if we give them some draft picks to go along with that. I am hoping it doesn't come to that, but it is an option.

I also hope they can keep Lopez. I get frustrated with him as much as everyone else on this board, but for a backup Center, he is pretty good. He is also very young, and I am still hoping that he'll pull his head out of his arse, and turn into a decent player.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Why in the world would the Suns give a away picks and players to sign a restricted free agent that will be matched anyway.

Harden is fools gold. If you want him, you better trade for him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

y'all are smoking some good stuff if you think Harden's getting away from OKC.

But I'm okay with this move... it pretty much assures us of one of the worst starting lineups in basketball, which is exactly what you all know I think this team desperately needs in order to rebuild through the draft.

 

[carey]

You can't combine a TPE with a player. Regardless of what Simmons said in his column today, I'm fairly sure we don't have a TPE right now. The only exception you generally have as a team under the cap, and we're fairly under the cap still, is the 'room' exception.

I see none listed under, http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/exceptions.jsp , as well. They haven't upgraded in a good long while though.

 

[SirStefan32]

y'all are smoking some good stuff if you think Harden's getting away from OKC.

But I'm okay with this move... it pretty much assures us of one of the worst starting lineups in basketball, which is exactly what you all know I think this team desperately needs in order to rebuild through the draft.

Durant and Westbrook will combine for over 33M. Perkins makes over 8M. That's almost $42M next year. Sefolosha and Collison add another 6.5M. That's 48.5M for five players. OKC can not max out Ibaka and Harden.

In my opinion, they need Ibaka more than Harden. My guess is that they sign Ibaka, but let Harden go for some picks/ cheap role players.

 

[elindholm]

Durant and Westbrook will combine for over 33M. Perkins makes over 8M. That's almost $42M next year. Sefolosha and Collison add another 6.5M. That's 48.5M for five players. OKC can not max out Ibaka and Harden.

Do you mean, can't without paying luxury tax, or can't, period? I haven't read up on the new CBA changes, but unless there's something dramatic, they certainly could max out both of them; it would just cost them. If they're winning titles, they may not mind.

If Ibaka looks like he's worth a maximum contract, or close to it, then the Thunder can probably figure out a way to dump Perkins.

I will be very, very surprised if they give up Harden without getting a comparable talent in return. I think it's most likely that they simply keep him.

 

[carey]

Basically what Eric said. I think even SAS got above $75M+ there for a while. Small market teams will be tax payers during championship windows. Just like everyone that actually wants to win one has too. Those teams just can't afford to pay tax and put out a mediocre product like the Knicks can.

 

[desertdawg]

y'all are smoking some good stuff if you think Harden's getting away from OKC.

But I'm okay with this move... it pretty much assures us of one of the worst starting lineups in basketball, which is exactly what you all know I think this team desperately needs in order to rebuild through the draft.

Nah I'm just down with that we aint ever gonna mount to nuthin, might as well call it a day and make up super cool Canada words like totally laser. Same BS we always put up with, nobodies got the $ to pony but every one ******* about how it is spent. I'm looking foward to your stuff, got it marked on my calender, much respect. We need some positive out of you, might just make something happen.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Durant and Westbrook will combine for over 33M. Perkins makes over 8M. That's almost $42M next year. Sefolosha and Collison add another 6.5M. That's 48.5M for five players. OKC can not max out Ibaka and Harden.

Perkins will be amnestied. That's what I think happens.

In my opinion, they need Ibaka more than Harden. My guess is that they sign Ibaka, but let Harden go for some picks/ cheap role players.

even if this is true, there's no way the best they can do for Harden is gonzo for anything but a lotto pick/cheap role player. the idea that the crap we have posted would be the best offer they could get for one of the best young up and coming superstars ignores the reality that there's 30 other teams in the league, most of them with more attractive assets than this team. that is unless we're sending them our own lotto pick next year.

but like Carey and Elindholm said, I think they figure out a way to keep Harden/Ibaka at Perkins' expense and if they don't, barring us giving up a high lotto pick, there's will be someone who can give up something more enticing than the pupu platter we'll be serving.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Durant and Westbrook will combine for over 33M. Perkins makes over 8M. That's almost $42M next year. Sefolosha and Collison add another 6.5M. That's 48.5M for five players. OKC can not max out Ibaka and Harden.

In my opinion, they need Ibaka more than Harden. My guess is that they sign Ibaka, but let Harden go for some picks/ cheap role players.

Why can't they? They won't max ibaka but they will keep him. They will have full bird rights.

It will have to be a trade.

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[slinslin]

They can start both Dudley and Brown and then just bring Beasley off the bench as 6th man and provide some much needed scoring for the 2nd unit.

Please..

Beasley will not be on the bench. Besides they badly need him to provide scoring for the first unit already.

 

[Griffin]

Why can't they? They won't max ibaka but they will keep him. They will have full bird rights.

They can, but at a ridiculous cost. If they max out both Harden and Ibaka while keeping Perkins, they would pay around $30M in LT in 2012/13. The next season they could pay as much as $70M in LT due to being repeat offenders (their total roster cost would be a whopping $160M). Even if they don't max out Ibaka, he will command a $10M/year salary which won't make a lot of difference. They could dump Perkins for a minimum-salaried player, but that won't help them avoid LT, just reduce it somewhat.

Basically, every team will try to stay below $70M in salaries before 2013/14 season when the new LT rules kick in. If you spend $64M on four players, that leaves you $6M for the remaining nine players before you start paying LT.

 

[SirStefan32]

They can, but at a ridiculous cost. If they max out both Harden and Ibaka while keeping Perkins, they would pay around $30M in LT in 2012/13. The next season they could pay as much as $70M in LT due to being repeat offenders (their total roster cost would be a whopping $160M). Even if they don't max out Ibaka, he will command a $10M/year salary which won't make a lot of difference. They could dump Perkins for a minimum-salaried player, but that won't help them avoid LT, just reduce it somewhat.

Basically, every team will try to stay below $70M in salaries before 2013/14 season when the new LT rules kick in. If you spend $64M on four players, that leaves you $6M for the remaining nine players before you start paying LT.

Exactly.

 

[Mainstreet]

They can, but at a ridiculous cost. If they max out both Harden and Ibaka while keeping Perkins, they would pay around $30M in LT in 2012/13. The next season they could pay as much as $70M in LT due to being repeat offenders (their total roster cost would be a whopping $160M). Even if they don't max out Ibaka, he will command a $10M/year salary which won't make a lot of difference. They could dump Perkins for a minimum-salaried player, but that won't help them avoid LT, just reduce it somewhat.

Basically, every team will try to stay below $70M in salaries before 2013/14 season when the new LT rules kick in. If you spend $64M on four players, that leaves you $6M for the remaining nine players before you start paying LT.

I believe there will be some teams trying to shed salary at the trading deadline when they find they are not going anywhere. If the Suns can keep their spending under control I can see them being beneficiaries.

 

[Mainstreet]

Another item I wanted to mention, it could be me, but I feel like Shannon Brown's signing is not getting much love from azcentral or the Suns. He may not be Gordon or Mayo, but I thinks he helps the Suns out of a rough situation at shooting guard especially if Dudley is pressed into duty at the SF. I thought he was a solid contributor last season especially down the stretch when he started to understand what Gentry wanted out of him. He might turn out to be more durable than Gordon and play just as well for the Suns as Mayo.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Another item I wanted to mention, it could be me, but I feel like Shannon Brown's signing is not getting much love from azcentral or the Suns. He may not be Gordon or Mayo, but I thinks he helps the Suns out of a rough situation at shooting guard especially if Dudley is pressed into duty at the SF. I thought he was a solid contributor last season especially down the stretch when he started to understand what Gentry wanted out of him. He might turn out to be more durable than Gordon and play just as well for the Suns as Mayo.

That's the best possible spin on it. I think Mayo is going to do very well in Dallas and Brown will be a backup. Dudley will be the starting two. Dudley is probably a better match with Dragic than he was with Nash. Dragic is better defensively than Nash, so Dudley can get better matchups.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Another item I wanted to mention, it could be me, but I feel like Shannon Brown's signing is not getting much love from azcentral or the Suns. He may not be Gordon or Mayo, but I thinks he helps the Suns out of a rough situation at shooting guard especially if Dudley is pressed into duty at the SF. I thought he was a solid contributor last season especially down the stretch when he started to understand what Gentry wanted out of him. He might turn out to be more durable than Gordon and play just as well for the Suns as Mayo.

it's not getting much love because it's not much of a move IMO.

 

[Phrazbit]

That's the best possible spin on it. I think Mayo is going to do very well in Dallas and Brown will be a backup. Dudley will be the starting two. Dudley is probably a better match with Dragic than he was with Nash. Dragic is better defensively than Nash, so Dudley can get better matchups.

Really? I hope you're right, I like Dudley a lot, but I dont see him playing much better than he has the last 2 years, and Nash gave him a ton of open looks.