Bryan Colangelo - a man in demand

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http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0207sunsnb0207.html

after all these years of questioning his moves the current reigning exec of the year is allowed to talk to the raps for their gm job.
Report says Raptors eye B. Colangelo

Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Feb. 7, 2006 12:00 AM

An ESPN report tagged Suns President and General Manager Bryan Colangelo as the top target in Toronto's general manager search, but Colangelo said he fully plans on remaining in Phoenix.

ESPN reported Sunday night on NBA Fastbreak that Colangelo was not only the focus to replace Raptors interim General Manager Wayne Embry but also that Phoenix granted Toronto permission to talk to Colangelo.

Suns Managing Partner Robert Sarver declined comment.
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"I'm under contract with the Suns and my primary focus is on Phoenix Suns basketball and making this team a championship contender," Colangelo said. "I'm aware of the report, but I'm in no position to remark on another team's business.

"I have every intention of remaining with the organization. My focus is on the task at hand and the Phoenix Suns doing well."

Colangelo is the reigning Executive of the Year and is considered a strong candidate to repeat. Toronto's GM spot became available when the Raptors fired Phoenix native Rob Babcock last month.

"The surprising part is the Suns are willing to let the Toronto Raptors talk to Colangelo," ESPN's Ric Bucher said on the air Sunday. "That is the most stunning aspect of it, when you look at what Colangelo has done.".......
 

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I really doubt BC would leave, the Suns are his family business. I would bet his meeting with Toronto was nothing serious, maybe he was suggesting some names for them or.....something? I dont know, but I definitely dont see him leaving so Im not sure why he'd go talk to them
 

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BC would have to sell his shares of the suns to take this job, and I don't see a problem with Sarver letting somebody talk to somebody that he know's will not go anywhere. They were probably laughing over a cocktail about how absurd they thought it was that someone would even ask such a thing!:biglaugh:
 
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i didn't mean to say Bryan will leave...the article says the opposite anyhow.
but still, some recognition for the Suns and Bryan, who established himself as one of the top GMs in his young age.
 

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zett said:
BC would have to sell his shares of the suns to take this job, and I don't see a problem with Sarver letting somebody talk to somebody that he know's will not go anywhere. They were probably laughing over a cocktail about how absurd they thought it was that someone would even ask such a thing!:biglaugh:

I think it's called keeping his employees happy. This is probably the first time a Colangelo has been able to go out on an open market to find out their value. I could see BC coming to ask for a raise.

That could make things more interesting around here.
 

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Gaddabout said:
I think it's called keeping his employees happy. This is probably the first time a Colangelo has been able to go out on an open market to find out their value. I could see BC coming to ask for a raise.

That could make things more interesting around here.


Gaddabout, I think you hit the nail on the head. :thumbup:
 

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Could there be more to this though?

Originally the Colangelos were retained to facilitate a smooth transition to new ownership. Were there not rumors that Sarver was enamored with Steve Kerr and some of the U of A mafia and that there were plans for Kerr to have a more prominent front office role? There may be more to this than meets the eye.
 

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I think this was a low risk for sarver. I dont imagine anyone really wanting to right the toronto mess. That scene has a bad organization and a poor fan base. If Sarver prevents the talks, maybe BC becomes irritated, thinks he's being held back from investigating opportunities. This way, Sarver looks like he's treating BC with respect, and at low risk since I doubt any toronto offer will be preferable to his role on the suns. If that offer was coming from a real good organization, maybe sarver says no.
 

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King A said:
I didn't mean to say Bryan will leave...the article says the opposite anyhow.
but still, some recognition for the Suns and Bryan, who established himself as one of the top GMs in his young age.

As I posted last August in the thread "Bryan Has Come Of Age", he did indeed come into his own when he separated himself from Jerry's 30 years of finesse basketball and said
We can safely put aside that soft label that has been associated with Suns basketball probably for the history of the Suns organization.

http://arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=58817
 

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I'd have to think BC is in the running for GM of the year again: Bell, Diaw, Jones, Thomas, House... Not bad for a guy who was vilified 7 months ago.
 

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If the Suns don't allow BC to talk to Toronto, then he always wonders "what might have been" and maybe a little resentment pops up...however, by letting BC talk to Toronto, he is able to see just what a mess the organization is in and fully understands the "grass is not always greener" concept.
 

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Here's a perspective I would like to throw out for consideration.

First and foremost the Colangelos are the Suns to me. I was sad to see Jerry sell the team but I was glad that Bryan would still be the GM and Jerry would still have his fingers in the Suns.

However, I can see where Bryan might want to prove himself in another organization at some point in his career but I hope with all my heart he does not leave the Suns.

I view the Toronto position, however, as a potentially great opportunity for both Bryan and the NBA. It would allow not only Bryan to prove himself further as an Executive or perhaps even an owner (outside the Suns's shadow) but also allow Bryan to save and rebuild an NBA franchise outside the United States that appears doomed. I know Bryan would have to sell his ownership in the Suns if he bought into the Toronto franchise.

I think saving the Toronto team might be critical for the future expansion of the NBA into other countries.

I know this idea is a little off the wall but I could see where Bryan might want a real challenge and to create his own legacy.
As Jerry was called upon to put back together a good U,S. Olympic basketball team, Bryan might feel the urge (and perhaps evening with the encouragement of the league office) to cultivate a winning NBA basketball franchise in Canada.

That said, I think Sarver would be way off base to even consider letting the EOY go to another team. I would really have to rethink about remaining a Suns fan.

Again the Suns and the Colangelos are virtually the same for me. My memory of how JC bought, shaped and kept the Suns in the Valley is all still fresh in my memory after that awful drug scandal many years ago.
 
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BC has the best GM job in the NBA. Right now Sarver listens and has the money to keep a very good team together. 10 years ago he had something to prove, not now.
 

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If Colangelo turns down the job, Sarver should start a blog and say that he "Owns Bryan Colangelo"
 

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GM's get fired or decide to leave for one of two reasons. Their team loses or they don't get along with the general partner/owner.

It is a lot different with coaches. The phrase "coaches are hired to be fired" is fairly well documented. I have never heard of a GM leaving after his contract expired, but it is fairly common for coaches.

I will admit I am puzzled as to why so many GM's have been around for quite a long time dispite making horrible blunders. They get to make bad deals and then fire the coach when the team doesn't win. It is just amazing.

If Sarver started second guessing BC and tried to become a "hands on" GM, then maybe BC would look around. But I've seen no evidence of that.

Let's treat this rumor for what it really is. The Raptors are a complete mess. No one knows what to do, so the best they can do is try to convince their fans they are TRYING by going after a GM of the year. It is really lame.
 

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I'm not sure what to make of this ...


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=58775


Strange move by Suns



By Scott Bordow, Tribune Columnist
February 9, 2006


A conversation with Suns owner Robert Sarver Wednesday:
“Robert, I’d like to talk to you about Bryan Colangelo.” “You’ll have to talk to Bryan.”


“But you’re the owner. Why did you grant Bryan permission to talk to the Toronto Raptors about their general manager job?”

“I’m not going to comment.”

“Why? Are there issues between you and Bryan?”

“Look, if I answer one question, it leads to another and another. I don’t want to go there.”

“But you wouldn’t even comment when (Tribune reporter) Jerry Brown asked you about the job Bryan’s done.”

“He’s done a great job. There are no issues between Bryan and I.”

Right. It takes an owner two days and persistent questioning before he compliments his team president, who’s the reigning NBA executive of the year, and everything is hunky-dory?

I don’t think so.

It’s hard to pinpoint exactly what has transpired between Sarver and Colangelo, in part because questions about their relationship are treated like a live hand grenade. Even normally loquacious team officials turn into Sgt.
Schultz — “I know nothing!”

But if there were no issues between the two men, as Sarver asserts, why grant Colangelo permission to talk to the Raptors?

By any measure, Colangelo has grown into a terrific general manager. He drafted Amaré Stoudemire, signed Steve Nash and put together the team that reached the Western Conference finals last year.

He is highly regarded in NBA circles and he wants to stay in Phoenix, so it would have made perfect sense had Sarver told the Raptors to buzz off.

Yet, ESPN reported on Sunday that Sarver gave Colangelo the go-ahead to talk to Toronto, and no one in the Suns organization has disputed the report.

Colangelo declined comment Wednesday and praised Sarver,
saying, “Robert’s been terrific. I’ve been very fortunate to have the opportunity to be here.”

In light of recent events, however, the question is how long he’ll be here.

Colangelo’s contract expires after the 2006-07 season. The Suns should be working on an extension. Instead, Sarver pushes him in Toronto’s direction.

Curious. And alarming.

Could Sarver possibly underestimate Colangelo’s importance to the organization?

Who does he think rebuilt the club after he botched the Joe Johnson negotiations — twice?

Who does he think signed Raja Bell and Eddie House, acquired Boris Diaw and James Jones and stocked the franchise with first-round draft picks?

Here’s a more disturbing thought: Does Sarver think this is easy? Buy the Suns, sign Nash, win 60 games and show a profit. Heck, anybody could do the job.

Let’s not forget that when Sarver bought the Suns in June 2004, he brought in former University of Arizona and NBA guard Steve Kerr as a minority owner and adviser. The two men had become friends, and it was speculated then that Kerr might take over for Colangelo some day.

Now, there’s no evidence that Sarver is holding the door open for Kerr while giving Colangelo a not-sogentle shove. But you don’t need to be a bloodhound to smell something strange in the air. Sarver could have quashed the ESPN story in a second by saying Colangelo was staying put. He didn’t. He could have reaffirmed his commitment to Colangelo after the questions started coming. He didn’t.

And there never would have been a story had Sarver said no to the Raptors. It’s crazy to think Colangelo could be on his way out. But then, it was crazy to let him talk to Toronto, too.
 

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newfan101 said:
I'm not sure what to make of this ...


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=58775


Strange move by Suns



By Scott Bordow, Tribune Columnist
February 9, 2006


A conversation with Suns owner Robert Sarver Wednesday:
“Robert, I’d like to talk to you about Bryan Colangelo.” “You’ll have to talk to Bryan.”


“But you’re the owner. Why did you grant Bryan permission to talk to the Toronto Raptors about their general manager job?”

“I’m not going to comment.”

“Why? Are there issues between you and Bryan?”

“Look, if I answer one question, it leads to another and another. I don’t want to go there.”

“But you wouldn’t even comment when (Tribune reporter) Jerry Brown asked you about the job Bryan’s done.”

“He’s done a great job. There are no issues between Bryan and I.”

Right. It takes an owner two days and persistent questioning before he compliments his team president, who’s the reigning NBA executive of the year, and everything is hunky-dory?

I don’t think so.

It’s hard to pinpoint exactly what has transpired between Sarver and Colangelo, in part because questions about their relationship are treated like a live hand grenade. Even normally loquacious team officials turn into Sgt.
Schultz — “I know nothing!”

But if there were no issues between the two men, as Sarver asserts, why grant Colangelo permission to talk to the Raptors?

By any measure, Colangelo has grown into a terrific general manager. He drafted Amaré Stoudemire, signed Steve Nash and put together the team that reached the Western Conference finals last year.

He is highly regarded in NBA circles and he wants to stay in Phoenix, so it would have made perfect sense had Sarver told the Raptors to buzz off.

Yet, ESPN reported on Sunday that Sarver gave Colangelo the go-ahead to talk to Toronto, and no one in the Suns organization has disputed the report.

Colangelo declined comment Wednesday and praised Sarver,
saying, “Robert’s been terrific. I’ve been very fortunate to have the opportunity to be here.”

In light of recent events, however, the question is how long he’ll be here.

Colangelo’s contract expires after the 2006-07 season. The Suns should be working on an extension. Instead, Sarver pushes him in Toronto’s direction.

Curious. And alarming.

Could Sarver possibly underestimate Colangelo’s importance to the organization?

Who does he think rebuilt the club after he botched the Joe Johnson negotiations — twice?

Who does he think signed Raja Bell and Eddie House, acquired Boris Diaw and James Jones and stocked the franchise with first-round draft picks?

Here’s a more disturbing thought: Does Sarver think this is easy? Buy the Suns, sign Nash, win 60 games and show a profit. Heck, anybody could do the job.

Let’s not forget that when Sarver bought the Suns in June 2004, he brought in former University of Arizona and NBA guard Steve Kerr as a minority owner and adviser. The two men had become friends, and it was speculated then that Kerr might take over for Colangelo some day.

Now, there’s no evidence that Sarver is holding the door open for Kerr while giving Colangelo a not-sogentle shove. But you don’t need to be a bloodhound to smell something strange in the air. Sarver could have quashed the ESPN story in a second by saying Colangelo was staying put. He didn’t. He could have reaffirmed his commitment to Colangelo after the questions started coming. He didn’t.

And there never would have been a story had Sarver said no to the Raptors. It’s crazy to think Colangelo could be on his way out. But then, it was crazy to let him talk to Toronto, too.

I think they're simply making a mountain out of a mole hill with this article. As others have stated, if Sarver doesn't allow Colangelo at LEAST the opportunity to interview for the Raptor job, he runs the risk of alienating him and driving this invisible rift that the article discusses, in to a full blown problem.

I take the allowance of Colangelo to interview with Toronto as nothing more than it was. Obviously, Bryan's still in the fold so let's not try and make this in to something it's not Scotty.
 

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that's the media for you. if he didn't allow him to do the interview they would be asking "why wouldnt you let him talk to them" "is there something going on between you two"
 

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that's the media for you. if he didn't allow him to do the interview they would be asking "why wouldnt you let him talk to them" "is there something going on between you two"

Precisely. Coming from someone whose job is IN the media, I can tell you we're always looking for a twist of some kind.
 

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I agree with Bordow--BC is G-O-N-E at the end of the three JC years. (I think there's one year left.)

Sarver wants his own people, and BC has earned enough respect around the league to get a GM job with better money and more control over the team. Toronto's probably not the team that's going to give it to him, so IMO this is more of a practice run, a way to keep his resume fresh in people's minds.


I'm just hoping that the separation is amicable. Sarver hasn't impressed me with his people skills to this point.
 

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I like Scott, but he's notorious for finding darkness in a field a sunshine. When it comes to sports, I don't know if he's ever seen the bright side of anything. I'm pretty sure he thinks that's his job.
 

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