Bryan Colangelo Looks to be Gone

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http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0222colangelo0222.html

I defended Sarver w/ the Joe Johnson situation, and hoped that he was indeed
an honest and competent owner. I now no longer have that hope.
I have such a bad feeling about where he's taking this organization. I'd now actually be surprised if he extended diaw/barbosa this summer, i have that little faith in this foam finger waving fool.
 
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seriously, how many times does this have to happen?

i'm glad for Bryan, he needs to get out of sarver's nonsense while he can...

i have to say again, colangelo made a mistake selling the team to sarver. too many strings attached. he could have waiting a bit longer and still gotten the money...i mean, he's not going to be passing away anytime soon...
 
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I agree, if this idiot takes this organization to hell, which i've little confidence that he won't, jerry colangelo deserves some of the blame for selling his "baby" to someone who has the potential to destroy it.
 

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I would love to know the behind the scenes stuff.

In fairness, I think we all could have expected their to be issues with Sarver and Bryan. I mean, Bryan went from his dad being in charge to someone else, and that can't be easy. There was bound to be tension.

I do hope that Kerr gets the job if this is true. He seems like a bright guy with a great understanding of the game.

Also, the pieces here are in place. All they need to do is keep them.
 

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Let's not forget one thing:
Phoenix Suns - 0 championships
And despite making some good trades and good draft picks, Colangelo also made plenty of bad moves.
It's not like the Suns without Colangelo would go down in flames and we don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

One man doesn't make or break an organization.

I can't see Bryan leaving though, unless Sarver doesn't really want him and has someone else lined up for the job.

Also what does that thing have to do with Joe Johnson? He didn't want to be here, he wanted to play for a bad team for max dollars where he could possibly shine as the man. He simply didn't want to play 4th fiddle to Nash, Marion and Amare. It would have been stupid to keep him regardless with the deal Atlanta gave us (we ripped them off).
 
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The one question I have, though, is about the logistics about leaving mid-season. Would there have to be some sort of "trade"? Or can he just up and leave?
 
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I completely agree on the joe johnson situation, it worked out great for the suns, but who made that happen? Bryan Colangelo.

There just seems to be a very scary pattern developing of sarver wanting to run this organization on the cheap. I'm scared he's more Bill Bidwill than Jerry Colangelo.
 

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hsandhu said:
I completely agree on the joe johnson situation, it worked out great for the suns, but who made that happen? Bryan Colangelo.

There just seems to be a very scary pattern developing of sarver wanting to run this organization on the cheap. I'm scared he's more Bill Bidwill than Jerry Colangelo.

That's why he signed Amare? Signed Raja Bell? Signed Steve Nash? Signed Q?

Exactly how many FA did we sign for more than the minimum before Sarver took over?
Was Rodney Rogers really the last?
 

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slinslin said:
Let's not forget one thing:
Phoenix Suns - 0 championships

True, but I believe in all time win percentages, they are in the top 5 (and highest among teams to never win it all). The team has been very successful overall, and I'd like to see that continue. Plus Colangelo was very good in the community and always tried to have good people, as well as good players on his teams.
 

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When has Sarver ever been Cheap ?????????????????

Because he did not want to give 70 mill to a guy that was not worth that much?????????If we had signed Johnson one of the big three would have to be traded very soon, and that would have been Marion. NO THANKS!!!!!!!!

If he wants to go let him go. If he can make more money elsewhere then great for Bryan. The Suns will be fine. Bryan has it easy right now. He has a great coach with a great system that players want to play in. A PG that everyone in the NBA would want to play with. A great young stud(if everything goes well)to build around, and its a lot easier to recruit free agents to Phoenix then Toronto.
 

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Interesting point Slinslin... I'd been thinking that recently I've had much less complaint about the job BC was doing. Now that you mention it, it does pretty much coincide with Sarver owning the team. I don't know anything about the way the two worked together but the result has been good and a significant improvement over the earlier part of BC's tenure. Hopefully, much of the credit belongs to Sarver - presumeably he has been listening to other voices since he appears not to be greatly knowledgeable about the game himself. I know a new GM is a risk but I'm happy to have Sarver rebuilding the management team - as I was to have him purchase the Suns.
 

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Doom and gloom. Doom and gloom. All of you bitching about Sarver, including that hack Dickley...er, Bickley, can just take a chill pill, at least for now. If Sarver doesn't try to match Toronto's offer, then we can sort of panic. But think about this: did BC all of a sudden become "Mr. EOY", after so many perceived failures? Or did Sarver have anything, anything at all to do with it?

Since when have the Suns managed to be so fiscally strong (at least this season), yet still be major contenders under BC? Could a successful BANKER's hand be behind that?

Look, it's not BC that found all these talents all of a sudden, but a strong Suns scouting team, and an excellent coaching staff. I'd be more worried about the prospect of them being hired away by BC if he does go, than about BC himself. If THAT happens, then I'll be the first to rip Sarver's foam finger up.
 

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I'm not sure what to think.....Steve Kerr's name keeps coming up....but i am worried as hell now about extending Barbosa and Diaw....

If that gets done, the team is in good shape for the next few years anyway....but this isn't a good sign....I think we all need to accept the fact that the Sarver we get in public and the Sarver behind the scenes who works with players and management is not the same guy...he is a salesman after all.....

I'm just glad this isn't D'Antoni getting up and leaving. He better still have the full support of this organization (he was a total Colangelo guy) or i am going to be pissed
 

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He can move out of the country, take the Toronto job and do the best he can. The Raptors are 20-34, but the pressure will be minimal. And somewhere down the line, he can try to hire D'Antoni for a north-of-the-border reunion.


....and then i go and read this out of Bickley's article...

Grrrrr..........:mad:

I am willing to make the case that D'Antoni is the most important person in the organization and if we lose him at any point this decade....I'm an unhappy camper....

I just hope this isnt the start of things to come....
 

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He can move out of the country, take the Toronto job and do the best he can. The Raptors are 20-34, but the pressure will be minimal. And somewhere down the line, he can try to hire D'Antoni for a north-of-the-border reunion.


....and then i go and read this out of Bickley's article...

Grrrrr..........:mad:

I am willing to make the case that D'Antoni is the most important person in the organization and if we lose him at any point this decade....I'm an unhappy camper....

I just hope this isnt the start of things to come....

Bickley makes a living out of making huge leaps of logic just to piss people off. This is the guy who said we would be lucky to be .500 at the all star break. He doesn't know **** about anything basketball related.

Just ignore it.

Further, it was just 3 years ago on this board that Brian Colangelo's name was a dirty word. Things worked out fine, despite all the negativity about having BC as the general manager.

If he leaves, I would at least like to see the team fail before I get pissed off about it. I swear this board has to have something to whine about.
 

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About the only positive of these articles is that it may make Sarver figure out that he has too much to lose if he doesn't lock BC in for more money. Once he lets BC go, he will get the direct brunt of every criticism and the blame for everything that goes wrong. Hiring a novice like Steve Kerr as a "yes man" won't change that.

Generally owner interference is negitive. JC was an exception, but he was a basketball man first. Typically the result is recurring errors like in Portland and Mark Cuban can only cover HIS mistakes by spending far too much money.

I can only hope that this interlude is a precursor to signing BC to a contract extention.
 

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George O'Brien said:
About the only positive of these articles is that it may make Sarver figure out that he has too much to lose if he doesn't lock BC in for more money. Once he lets BC go, he will get the direct brunt of every criticism and the blame for everything that goes wrong. Hiring a novice like Steve Kerr as a "yes man" won't change that.

Generally owner interference is negitive. JC was an exception, but he was a basketball man first. Typically the result is recurring errors like in Portland and Mark Cuban can only cover HIS mistakes by spending far too much money.

I can only hope that this interlude is a precursor to signing BC to a contract extention.

Interesting, I wonder if Sarver is starting to think he can run the basketball operations invertly. I think that would be a disaster in the end, I am sure he has to know this at least I hope so.
 

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One thing I don't understand is why everyone hates Sarver so much. Can anyone give a solid, relevant list of faults that would outweigh the good things that have happened since he took over?

I mean, his biggest thing was not wanting to pay Joe Johnson superstar money. And that turned out to be a very good thing, I'm sure we'd all agree. There has been no stand-out reason why we should call Sarver an "idiot" as some people here have done. He hasn't proven to be.

So BC might leave. Well, the Raptors are talking about tripling his salary! Triple! That is a HUGE jump, and BC would be stupid not to think about it. I'd hate to see him leave, but every single decision doesn't go through that one guy. And every single idea about this team doesn't come from one guy.
 

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Chaplin said:
One thing I don't understand is why everyone hates Sarver so much. Can anyone give a solid, relevant list of faults that would outweigh the good things that have happened since he took over?

I mean, his biggest thing was not wanting to pay Joe Johnson superstar money. And that turned out to be a very good thing, I'm sure we'd all agree. There has been no stand-out reason why we should call Sarver an "idiot" as some people here have done. He hasn't proven to be.

So BC might leave. Well, the Raptors are talking about tripling his salary! Triple! That is a HUGE jump, and BC would be stupid not to think about it. I'd hate to see him leave, but every single decision doesn't go through that one guy. And every single idea about this team doesn't come from one guy.

Because he is rich and flaunts it. He has used his status as owner to keep himself in the spotlight at games. I believe that is why people don't like him. They are jealous and want to see him fail.
 

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With every positive comes some negatives.. With talk of Colangelo leaving, this theory is no different.

Here's three arguements from both sides of the fence.

Why it's neccessary to keep Colangelo, regardless of the cost

1. He's a Colangelo. The Phoenix Sun franchise has never operated without a Colangelo involved in some capacity. Truth be told, with all Jerry has done for this team, and this city, to let his son walk without trying is a complete slap in the face to the man who helped carve the path towards Phoenix becoming a Major League Sports Town and who bailed the Suns out of dire straits and made them one of the top 5 franchises in the NBA.

2. Take a look at the current roster. At LEAST half of these players were brought in by the pure talent evaluation of Colangelo. It was BC who insisted on Boris Diaw in the sign-and-trade with Atlanta, and he's become one of the most valuable assets on the Sun roster. It was Colangelo who pushed the envelop on the Sun organization to bring Steve Nash back. It was Colangelo who had a hand in the drafting of Shawn Marion and it was BC who had final say that Amare was too good to pass up. That kind of talent evaluator is awfully hard to find. Also, we all think highly of Mike D'Antoni, and for good reason. He's easily been the best coach this franchise has had since the days of Westphal and the late Cotton, but when hired, his only head coaching gig was a less than memorable one with the Nuggets, where he seemed to have a hard time adapting to coaching in the league. Now, his hiring is looking like a genuis, and it was BC who gave him that second chance.

3. If Colangelo needs to "start immediately" with Toronto, the distraction of his departure at this point in the season could be disasterous. The Suns currently are pushing towards a top seed in the playoffs and are only going to get better when Amare returns. How much of a monkey wrench would the departure of the GM, who left to become the new head guy of one of the NBA's laughing stocks cause?

Also, BC is a proven commodity. Suns fans know exactly what to expect from him on most cases. As for Kerr, we have no idea what to expect. Will he be the next Jerry West or the next Rob Babcock? At this point, it's far too early to predict.

And the other side.

Why it's better to let Colangelo go

1. The Suns are already in good shape, so whomever BC's replacement is, whether that be Steve Kerr or someone else, won't have a whole hell of a lot to do in terms of building the house. Amare, Nash and Marion are already tied down for the long term. Jones has three years left, following this year, on his deal, and I have a feeling there's going to be a push for Diaw and Barbs to be re-signed before anything else happens. So, whoever takes over will merely have to keep the foundation sturdy, not completely re-build.

2. Let's face the music here. The Raptors are a mess. Years of bad personel decisions have stuck the team in the mess they're in now. Should BC want to escape the large shadow of his father and build his own team, more power to him. He's going to have his work cut out for him, that's for damn sure. Rome wasn't built in a day. There's a good reason this team has one playoff apperance in their franchise's decade long history. Bryan, although a good talent evaluator, isn't going to go in, wave his magic wand and make everything better. Bosh and Villinueva (sic) are two good pieces to build around, but other than that (perhaps maybe eventually Graham will be on that level) the cupboards are bare. Also Bosh is a free agent next season, and I can't envision him sticking around if a team throws him a max level deal, with the opportunity to be on a championship squad. So, right off the bat, BC's going to be facing an uphill climb. I don't know how long the deal actually is in terms of years, but it's going to take at LEAST 3 to get that team to a competitive level. Should he chose to leave a routine playoff team that's only going to get better for a complete reclamation project, no bitching or crying is going to stop that, and I hope he does well.

3. $7 million is a whole lot of money to be tied down in one employee. Granted, Sarver's not exactly cheap, but from everything we know of Steve Kerr, he's a proven winner. He also seems to have a good eye for talent, so if the option is Colangelo at $7 million or Kerr at $350 thousand... You get my drift.


I'm thinking about sprucing this up a bit and turning it in to the front page folks for publishing. What do you guys and gals think?
 
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I just read the article and couldn't find anything about how this was Sarver's fault.
 

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I just read the article and couldn't find anything about how this was Sarver's fault.

It just doesn't sound like Sarver is aggressively trying to keep him. But I understand that too. I really like Sarver as a business man. I love the way he handled the Joe Johnson negotiation, and I like that he's not letting this Colangelo situation get dragged out to death. He gave him a February deadline and that's it.

And too be perfectly honest, I'm a little upset at Bryan Colangelo. He's doing what Larry Brown did last season-- he's taking job interviews while he still has a job and with the trade deadline on Thursday.
 

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Just guessing our scouting dept. had a little something to do with Amare, Boris and any other player aquired. BC is the GM he has NOT single handedly built this team, he is part of an organization, not like he is done all this great stuff. If he leaves for more money to go to a bad franchise I see it just like JJ situation GOOD LUCK!!! Our team seems to be set for a few years can't ask for much more in professional sports nowadays.
 
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