Bryant Johnson, might be better than we think

[Jetstream Green]

I was thinking about Rob Moore when he was beating people deep for us and the Jets and realized that the guy really wasn't much of a burner. A matter of fact, I see a lot of a young Rob Moore in Bryant Johnson. It is hard to get notice when you play opposite of guys like Fitz and Boldin but how many times did Johnson make some great catches this year...more than once. How many times did Johnson beat his guy and McCown fail to deliever it on time or in the right place... more than once and once twice in one drive on two deep balls. I believe Johnson can be a vertical threat without having to be a super speed guy. It is scary, but all three of our WRs are young and they say the third year is usually when WRs break out. Keep Johnson, get a QB who can them the ball and teach McCown and Navarre and hopefully we will get a running back one way or the other this off season. What I'm trying to say is don't thinking about trading a kid who might be golden this coming season. Johnson really stepped it up given the situation.

 

[HeavyB3]

I think we've got 3 great wide receivers. If we could come up with that burner at the fourth spot, we would be a real threat in the passing game (if McCown developes or we get a different QB)

 

[green machine]

If I recall Moore was close to 6'5, so he had a big height advantage over DB's. That said, I think Johnson can be a productive receiver on our team.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Nope, man was no 6'5

Rob Moore was 6'3 and weighed about 204. Johnson is 6'2 and I think about 210. These guys really seem very similar in there ability.

 

[WildBB]

I was thinking about Rob Moore when he was beating people deep for us and the Jets and realized that the guy really wasn't much of a burner. A matter of fact, I see a lot of a young Rob Moore in Bryant Johnson. It is hard to get notice when you play opposite of guys like Fitz and Boldin but how many times did Johnson make some great catches this year...more than once. How many times did Johnson beat his guy and McCown fail to deliever it on time or in the right place... more than once and once twice in one drive on two deep balls. I believe Johnson can be a vertical threat without having to be a super speed guy. It is scary, but all three of our WRs are young and they say the third year is usually when WRs break out. Keep Johnson, get a QB who can them the ball and teach McCown and Navarre and hopefully we will get a running back one way or the other this off season. What I'm trying to say is don't thinking about trading a kid who might be golden this coming season. Johnson really stepped it up given the situation.

Ok , I guess your responding to my trade thread with this thread.

Do you think that Travis Henry realistically is the most productive back we can add to this team. If not what do you think will happen?

 

[Zeno]

Rob Moore was 6'3 and weighed about 204. Johnson is 6'2 and I think about 210. These guys really seem very similar in there ability.

I haven't noticed Johnson falling down as soon as he touches the ball, a Rob Moore trait, hopefully the similarities are only in size and speed.

 

[Russ Smith]

I haven't noticed Johnson falling down as soon as he touches the ball, a Rob Moore trait, hopefully the similarities are only in size and speed.

God zeno you nailed that. Rob was very productive but 2 things that always infuriated me was how easily he went down, and how rarely he used his size in the redzone.

That loss to Dallas when their secondary was crippled and Jake threw for 460, everyone remembers the no call on Smith in the endzone. but the play that got us there was a long pass play to Moore who inexplicably failed to get into the endzone.

Yep he was Freddie Jones of his time, catch ball, look for place to fall down.

 

[GreenCard]

Love that -look for place to fall down.

 

[JeffGollin]

Two Ways to Evaluate Johnson

You can evaluate him in terms of what we need at WR.

Or you can evaluate him in absolute terms.

The Cards could use a home run threat at WR to compliment our other wideouts and keep opposing secondary defenders from cheating up too close to the LOS. And they could use a receiver who's more explosive out of his cuts and can separate from defenders better.

I don't believe Fitzgerald, Boldin or Johnson - despite having the knack to occasionally get open long - have the speed to really be that home run threat. (I do believe any or all could be taught to be more explosive).

If you buy into this, you could make the case that Johnson is a fine receiver who provides outstanding depth to Fitz and Q, but we still need a burner with good hands who can cut on a dime and explode out of his cuts.

 

[john h]

I was thinking about Rob Moore when he was beating people deep for us and the Jets and realized that the guy really wasn't much of a burner. A matter of fact, I see a lot of a young Rob Moore in Bryant Johnson. It is hard to get notice when you play opposite of guys like Fitz and Boldin but how many times did Johnson make some great catches this year...more than once. How many times did Johnson beat his guy and McCown fail to deliever it on time or in the right place... more than once and once twice in one drive on two deep balls. I believe Johnson can be a vertical threat without having to be a super speed guy. It is scary, but all three of our WRs are young and they say the third year is usually when WRs break out. Keep Johnson, get a QB who can them the ball and teach McCown and Navarre and hopefully we will get a running back one way or the other this off season. What I'm trying to say is don't thinking about trading a kid who might be golden this coming season. Johnson really stepped it up given the situation.

I like Johnson and hope we keep him.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You can evaluate him in terms of what we need at WR.

Or you can evaluate him in absolute terms.

The Cards could use a home run threat at WR to compliment our other wideouts and keep opposing secondary defenders from cheating up too close to the LOS. And they could use a receiver who's more explosive out of his cuts and can separate from defenders better.

I don't believe Fitzgerald, Boldin or Johnson - despite having the knack to occasionally get open long - have the speed to really be that home run threat. (I do believe any or all could be taught to be more explosive).

If you buy into this, you could make the case that Johnson is a fine receiver who provides outstanding depth to Fitz and Q, but we still need a burner with good hands who can cut on a dime and explode out of his cuts.

couldn't agree with you more.

 

[Faithful]

I haven't noticed Johnson falling down as soon as he touches the ball, a Rob Moore trait, hopefully the similarities are only in size and speed.

I disagree with you there Zeno. I remember telling my husband how Johnson was improving but I wished he could pick up more yards after the catch.

 

[Duckjake]

I like Johnson and hope we keep him.

Depending on the cap hit that would result from letting Johnson go,
he could be the odd man out if it comes down to money to keep Q.

Why have #1 money tied up in a #3 receiver when you can find someone else to do a comparable job for far less cash?

Hopefully the Cards will find a way to keep everyone happy and well paid.

 

[WildBB]

You can evaluate him in terms of what we need at WR.

Or you can evaluate him in absolute terms.

The Cards could use a home run threat at WR to compliment our other wideouts and keep opposing secondary defenders from cheating up too close to the LOS. And they could use a receiver who's more explosive out of his cuts and can separate from defenders better.

I don't believe Fitzgerald, Boldin or Johnson - despite having the knack to occasionally get open long - have the speed to really be that home run threat. (I do believe any or all could be taught to be more explosive).

If you buy into this, you could make the case that Johnson is a fine receiver who provides outstanding depth to Fitz and Q, but we still need a burner with good hands who can cut on a dime and explode out of his cuts.

How about Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards. One of those two will be there at 8 if we move Johnson for Henry.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

I doubt Mike Williams will be there at 8, dont know why, but the kid was probably at top 5 guy last year had he gotten into the draft and some how I think he goes early.

 

[green machine]

Williams I think is another Fitz type...in that can go up and get the ball, great hands, but not necessarily a burner.

 

[8ndkorner]

Depending on the cap hit that would result from letting Johnson go,
he could be the odd man out if it comes down to money to keep Q.

Why have #1 money tied up in a #3 receiver when you can find someone else to do a comparable job for far less cash?

Hopefully the Cards will find a way to keep everyone happy and well paid.

A very good point.

 

[Gee!]

LMAO!

Wouldnt that be something.

With the 8th pick in the 2005 draft, the Arizona Cardinals select...WR Mike Williams out of USC.