Bucks fans opinions on Brandon Knight

[Phrazbit]

The irony is in the player who is guarding Knight on this play.

Calling the Goran's effort on that play "guarding" is using the term loosely. He is not a good defender... but that play is particularly horrible.

 

[slinslin]

The same Bucks fans that love Kendall Marshall btw

 

[JS22]

As usual, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about? I'm sure it's more of the same. Suns management sucks and is stupid. You have all the answers and would do a much better, if not perfect job at running the team. blah blah blah... You're not alone though. There's a few others here who share your complain about any and everything mentality.

You win. Go on and whine and bitch. Tell us over and over again how stupid management is. It''s rather fascinating and isn't boring at all. I can't wait until tomorrow's version!

^

Yup.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Back to the title of this thread.

Why do Bucks fans hate Knight so much?

 

[slinslin]

Back to the title of this thread.

Why do Bucks fans hate Knight so much?

They are caught up in the thinking that they need a true point guard hence their love for Kendall Marshall.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Back to the title of this thread.

Why do Bucks fans hate Knight so much?

A lot of them don't. But from what I've read, he was like Bledsoe or maybe Goodwin. A lot of talent but a long way from ready to play when he came into the league. He was forced into the playing regular minutes before he was ready and while he's made huge progress, memories are long and he's still a ways from being an effective lead guard. Most of the pro-Knight posters that I read feel he belongs off the ball and would do well there but other than spot duty, he has no business leading a team.

Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

I am taking the Bucks fans feedback with a grain of salt. They have not exactly given Knight any damn help. When players feel like they have the world on their shoulders they play differently than someone who can consistently rely on other players for help.

 

[CardsFan88]

I've read a bunch of posts where Bucks fans are not happy they gave up on him. I've read a bunch who have said he's a big reason for their success this year.

We've heard that Wade wanted his all-star spot to go to Knight.

What I gleamed the most though, was people with the biggest emotional ties hindering their thinking seemed to be glad Knight was gone, not giving many examples of why he was bad, just that he was bad, and the people who used rationale to determine their position, were not agreeable to him leaving. The only real rationale that was 'good' for him to go, was that they felt he wasn't worth max type money and that the Bucks were better off not paying him, but people were still wondering, if not him...then who?

 

[Azlen]

It seems to be typical for a certain % of a fanbase to bash a player who is leaving, regardless of how they are leaving. We see it all the time here as well.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I've read a bunch of posts where Bucks fans are not happy they gave up on him. I've read a bunch who have said he's a big reason for their success this year.

We've heard that Wade wanted his all-star spot to go to Knight.

What I gleamed the most though, was people with the biggest emotional ties hindering their thinking seemed to be glad Knight was gone, not giving many examples of why he was bad, just that he was bad, and the people who used rationale to determine their position, were not agreeable to him leaving. The only real rationale that was 'good' for him to go, was that they felt he wasn't worth max type money and that the Bucks were better off not paying him, but people were still wondering, if not him...then who?

The reason given for why they did not like him was that almost everyone's =/- numbers went down when playing with Knight. Not sure how that works out in real life. Numbers don't tell the whole story.

 

[Covert Rain]

The reason given for why they did not like him was that almost everyone's =/- numbers went down when playing with Knight. Not sure how that works out in real life. Numbers don't tell the whole story.

+1

Especially because the players you play with, the system and how much they are asking him to take on impacts all of that.

I am really curious to see how he plays in a new system with new teammates.

 

[sunsfan88]

The reason given for why they did not like him was that almost everyone's =/- numbers went down when playing with Knight. Not sure how that works out in real life. Numbers don't tell the whole story.

And yet people still used +/- numbers to justify Frye and other players who flat out sucked.

I agree that numbers don't tell the story but I think it's hypocritical to only choose use +/- stats when it supports the user's argument and brush it off when it doesn't.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The reason given for why they did not like him was that almost everyone's =/- numbers went down when playing with Knight. Not sure how that works out in real life. Numbers don't tell the whole story.

Bump. Interesting to go back and look at this. The fact is that the same is true with the Suns today. Knight makes the whole team worse when he is on the floor. He did it in Milwaukee, he is doing it in Phoenix. This is why Kidd tossed him like a hot potato.

He could be a good player if he he looked for teammates and played D.

 

[BC867]

Bump. Interesting to go back and look at this. The fact is that the same is true with the Suns today. Knight makes the whole team worse when he is on the floor. He did it in Milwaukee, he is doing it in Phoenix. This is why Kidd tossed him like a hot potato.

He could be a good player if he he looked for teammates and played D.

But still a player without a position. Too small for Shooting Guard. No skill for Point Guard. His only skill, at best, would be to get some attendance of a crowd hoping to see periodic spectacular offensive plays on a team going nowhere. But that is also the description of Bledsoe, who is more skilled than Knight. But not enough to lead a team or be better than sub-par at a position.

 

[JCSunsfan]

But still a player without a position. Too small for Shooting Guard. No skill for Point Guard. His only skill, at best, would be to get some attendance of a crowd hoping to see periodic spectacular offensive plays on a team going nowhere. But that is also the description of Bledsoe, who is more skilled than Knight. But not enough to lead a team or be better than sub-par at a position.

I don't think size is the problem with Brandon Knight. His problem is that he does not play team ball.

 

[Mainstreet]

When the Suns play Knight it would be better if they look at him as a SG and minimize his ball handling. He gets in trouble when he has to make decisions. Ulis needs to be the Suns backup PG.

 

[BC867]

When the Suns play Knight it would be better if they look at him as a SG and minimize his ball handling. He gets in trouble when he has to make decisions.

Play him at Shooting Guard because he is not good enough to be a Point Guard? Ouch!

I don't think size is the problem with Brandon Knight. His problem is that he does not play team ball.

You're right about Knight's lack of team ball. But at 6'3"-195, I would say that neither Knight nor Barbosa are the size you would want as a 2-Guard in a regular rotation on a winning team. Both are, at best, instant offense in short spurts when needed at a small Wing position. Very short spurts.

 

[JCSunsfan]

BC. Size is not the issue. With you it seems to always be about size and weight.

Speed, athleticism, skills, and ability to work within a system. BK is not a pg because he does not play like one. He looks for his own shot first, he dominates the ball, and he tend to make others around him worse. It wouldn't matter if he was 6-7 215. He would still be a problem.


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[JustWinBaby]

This team would be a lot more fun to watch with Goran rather than Knight on the roster. The decision should have been Goran or IT had to go, not both. I remember how well Goran worked with Green during that one miracle season and I can see the same thing happening with Goran and Booker.

Those moves cost this franchise a lot. While I like Isaiah Thomas and his numbers are fantastic this year, a Bledsoe - Goran and Booker rotation would be just fine. I could actually see them together on the court to finish games. I expect our ball movement would be far better as well.

Ain't happening but that trade for Knight has to be one of the worst moves in Suns history. How McDonough fixes his wrong, I have no clue. What team realistically would want Brandon Knight as part of their team?

Off the subject but - Hornacek was just as dumb as MDA was to take that Knick job. Now Melo is pouting as usual. The best ball Melo has played in recent memory was when MDA left town. I think that was more about spite than anything else. I think Horny is a good man and could be a very effective coach in the right situation. Hopefully things turn his way sooner than later. Horny also has to deal with Rose. What a mess.

Who is the better GM Phil Jackson or MDA?

 

[Mainstreet]

This team would be a lot more fun to watch with Goran rather than Knight on the roster. The decision should have been Goran or IT had to go, not both. I remember how well Goran worked with Green during that one miracle season and I can see the same thing happening with Goran and Booker.

Those moves cost this franchise a lot. While I like Isaiah Thomas and his numbers are fantastic this year, a Bledsoe - Goran and Booker rotation would be just fine. I could actually see them together on the court to finish games. I expect our ball movement would be far better as well.

Ain't happening but that trade for Knight has to be one of the worst moves in Suns history. How McDonough fixes his wrong, I have no clue. What team realistically would want Brandon Knight as part of their team?

Off the subject but - Hornacek was just as dumb as MDA was to take that Knick job. Now Melo is pouting as usual. The best ball Melo has played in recent memory was when MDA left town. I think that was more about spite than anything else. I think Horny is a good man and could be a very effective coach in the right situation. Hopefully things turn his way sooner than later. Horny also has to deal with Rose. What a mess.

Who is the better GM Phil Jackson or MDA?

I'm always thought the IT trade to the Celtics was put together before Goran made his ultimatum to be traded. I think this why McDonough became so upset with Goran. Perhaps the plan was to keep Goran and Bledsoe. Then the addition of Booker would be sweet. If one looks at it with perspective, trading Goran and IT at relatively the same time made no sense.

IMO, the trade for Knight was a knee jerk reaction to Goran leaving.

 

[sunsfan88]

I hated this move when it was made and I don't like it any better now.

I have given McD a pass on it because he's a first time GM who panicked when one of his own players demanded a trade.

That said, I don't quite understand why Knight had not been traded out yet. Even if it's for pennies on the dollar. Concidentally, many of Booker's bigger games have come in games which Knight played very little or did not play at all. I respect Watson for decreasing Knight's minutes significantly over the course of the season.

 

[Mainstreet]

I hated this move when it was made and I don't like it any better now.

I have given McD a pass on it because he's a first time GM who panicked when one of his own players demanded a trade.

That said, I don't quite understand why Knight had not been traded out yet. Even if it's for pennies on the dollar. Concidentally, many of Booker's bigger games have come in games which Knight played very little or did not play at all. I respect Watson for decreasing Knight's minutes significantly over the course of the season.

I still think McDonough is still trying to find Knight a home. This is could be harder than trading Markieff.