Bucks @ Suns 2-4-17

[Mainstreet]

It's hard to believe Antetokounmpo was drafted #15 in 2013.

 

[Sunshooter]

Bucks well use the mismatch and plays easy tactics...

 

[Mainstreet]

That block on Chriss' shot came with the ball over the rim. I don't see how that is not goal tending.

I guess the referees want to go home.

 

[Mainstreet]

Derrick Jones Jr. is in the game.

Please give us a dunk in this otherwise blow-out game.

 

[GatorAZ]

So goes 0-for in 3 qtrs?

 

[Mainstreet]

Final:

Bucks 137- Suns 112

Chriss had 27 points and 6 rebounds in this inglorious game.

 

[TJ]

Team looks very disorganized Top to bottom. Sooner we can get rid of Watson, the better


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[Mainstreet]

Team looks very disorganized Top to bottom. Sooner we can get rid of Watson, the better

It would be nice if the Suns could play some token defense just to show they care.

If they were not going to play defense they should have hired D'Antoni.

 

[JerkFace]

Team looks very disorganized Top to bottom. Sooner we can get rid of Watson, the better


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Don't hold your breath. Probably won't be until year three that his seat will get hot.

 

[GatorAZ]

Don't hold your breath. Probably won't be until year three that his seat will get hot.

It only takes 2 bad years for coaches to get canned in the NBA. Especially when they're amongst the lowest paid.

 

[BC867]

If they were not going to play defense they should have hired D'Antoni.

OK, here is my first positive D'Antoni post ever. What you said is true. If the Suns were not going to play defense, they should have hired D'Antoni.

Of course, the whole truth is that the Owner and GM should have provided a balanced team. And the question remains . . . I know that D'A has used young players more in his latest gig than with the Suns, but would he have been developing our young roster as much as Watson? I doubt it. So I guess my post isn't so positive about D'Antoni after all.

I'm going to shout this. THE PROBLEM IS THE OWNER. A SMALL TOWN BANKER WHO IS TOTALLY OUT OF PLACE OVERSEEING A BUSINESS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN OF THE VALLEY OF THE SUN, THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND THE NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So, how does this work? One post is "I can't believe this mgmt, they are still trying to win games. We need to bench all the vets and play the youth exclusively!"

But when you get high minutes and high points from the two youngest players available to play its, "What a disorganized mess, its time to fire the coach!"

Schizophrenia is in the water.

 

[JCSunsfan]

OK, here is my first positive D'Antoni post ever. What you said is true. If the Suns were not going to play defense, they should have hired D'Antoni.

Of course, the whole truth is that the Owner and GM should have provided a balanced team. And the question remains . . . I know that D'A has used young players more in his latest gig than with the Suns, but would he have been developing our young roster as much as Watson? I doubt it. So I guess my post isn't so positive about D'Antoni after all.

I'm going to shout this. THE PROBLEM IS THE OWNER. A SMALL TOWN BANKER WHO IS TOTALLY OUT OF PLACE OVERSEEING A BUSINESS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN OF THE VALLEY OF THE SUN, THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND THE NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION.

Shouting doesn't make any of it true.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If the four game losing streak, followed by a prayer last second w over the hapless sac followed by a total blowout doesn't make us sellers at the trade deadline, I don't know what it takes.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If the four game losing streak, followed by a prayer last second w over the hapless sac followed by a total blowout doesn't make us sellers at the trade deadline, I don't know what it takes.

Sellers of what? No one is taking Knight, or will want us to give up something to get rid of him, which would be stupid of us. Chandler wants to be here, and I do not think is getting traded, although trading him would be fine with me.

So, sellers of PJ Tucker, big whoop. That is unless there is a team out there wanting to offer Len a deal this summer and wants to lock in control now.

Summer is the time.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Sellers of what? No one is taking Knight, or will want us to give up something to get rid of him, which would be stupid of us. Chandler wants to be here, and I do not think is getting traded, although trading him would be fine with me.

So, sellers of PJ Tucker, big whoop. That is unless there is a team out there wanting to offer Len a deal this summer and wants to lock in control now.

Summer is the time.

I'd trade all of the following if we could get anything of value:

Bledsoe for legit value like unprotected cavs picks in 3 and 5 years.

Chandler for young player and/or mid-first rounder.

Tucker for any first rounder.

Dudley for any first rounder or early second.

Knight for a bag of pretzels.

 

[pokerface]

Yup. He is a star.

 

[Mainstreet]

OK, here is my first positive D'Antoni post ever. What you said is true. If the Suns were not going to play defense, they should have hired D'Antoni.

Of course, the whole truth is that the Owner and GM should have provided a balanced team. And the question remains . . . I know that D'A has used young players more in his latest gig than with the Suns, but would he have been developing our young roster as much as Watson? I doubt it. So I guess my post isn't so positive about D'Antoni after all.

I'm going to shout this. THE PROBLEM IS THE OWNER. A SMALL TOWN BANKER WHO IS TOTALLY OUT OF PLACE OVERSEEING A BUSINESS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN OF THE VALLEY OF THE SUN, THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND THE NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION.

My frustration is the Suns seemingly have given up on playing defense. I think Watson gives the Suns the best chance of getting a better draft pick but that is about it.

 

[pokerface]

I'd trade all of the following if we could get anything of value:

Bledsoe for legit value like unprotected cavs picks in 3 and 5 years.

Chandler for young player and/or mid-first rounder.

Tucker for any first rounder.

Dudley for any first rounder or early second.

Knight for a bag of pretzels.

I agree mostly except if we trade bled we may need Knight

 

[pokerface]

My frustration is the Suns seemingly have given up on playing defense. I think Watson gives the Suns the best chance of getting a better draft pick but that is about it.

Maybe Watson grows as the team grows. We can only hope.

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe Watson grows as the team grows. We can only hope.

I agree, let's hope it happens. The shuffling of head coaches is getting old.

 

[JustWinBaby]

OK, here is my first positive D'Antoni post ever. What you said is true. If the Suns were not going to play defense, they should have hired D'Antoni.

Of course, the whole truth is that the Owner and GM should have provided a balanced team. And the question remains . . . I know that D'A has used young players more in his latest gig than with the Suns, but would he have been developing our young roster as much as Watson? I doubt it. So I guess my post isn't so positive about D'Antoni after all.

I'm going to shout this. THE PROBLEM IS THE OWNER. A SMALL TOWN BANKER WHO IS TOTALLY OUT OF PLACE OVERSEEING A BUSINESS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN OF THE VALLEY OF THE SUN, THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND THE NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION.

This is pretty balanced team but not very talented or very well coached.

The myth that D'Antoni does not play youngsters is just that. Check out his rotations in Houston and you will find Capella as his starting center with Harrell as his back up, Nene does not play unless Capella is hurt or they play a team with quality bigs. He has Dekker in his regular rotations every night. All three of those guys are very young and in their 1st couple of years in the league. Even Ennis gets some burn on some nights. He also played youngsters far more than what you suggest in New York and LA as well. He has no quality youngsters other than Amare while in Phoenix. He helped make Amare an All Star and a very rich man. You can probably say the same thing for Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw. Marion had his best years with Mike as well.

D'Antoni really should not be the subject. Unfortunately for us that ship has sailed.

The one thing you are correct on is the small town banker. He is and has been the problem. He has dealt every coach a bad hand while he has been owner. While I am not a fan of Watson at all, he does not have much to work with. However you really would think that you should be able to win with Bledsoe and Booker in the back court and two serviceable veterans in Chandler and Tucker on the floor each night for 30 minutes with Dudley and Barbosa on the bench. I actually see the talent on this roster better than the results. It is a confusing time for this franchise.

In addition Watson needs to have some responsibility in the demise of Brandon Knight. He was the development coach, now he is the head coach and he was a point guard. It is amazing how bad Knight has got on Watson's watch. Alex Len has become almost a non factor at this point and Warren has regressed as well.

What to do?

 

[sunsfan88]

So, how does this work? One post is "I can't believe this mgmt, they are still trying to win games. We need to bench all the vets and play the youth exclusively!"

But when you get high minutes and high points from the two youngest players available to play its, "What a disorganized mess, its time to fire the coach!"

Schizophrenia is in the water.

It's not about minutes or rotations, it's about the complete lack of offensive system the Suns have in place. We have quite possibly the most stagnant system in the whole league.

I feel bad for Booker because of how hard he has to try to get a good look. That's true for all players. Its literally all ISO and nothing else.

I'm not saying we have the talent they do but why can't the Suns incorporate the type of backdoor screens and backdoor cut plays and such that teams like the Warriors, Hawks and Spurs use?

That said, I'm definitely against firing Earl Watson now. Everyone knows he's a placeholder till this team gets the talent to finally compete for a playoff spot and then Watson can get canned for a real coach. In the mean time, let Watson practice his yoga with the Suns and lead us to a top draft pick.

Whenever the Suns feel like their ready to start competing for the playoffs with the young talent they have, go ahead and fire Watson and get an actual coach then.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'd trade all of the following if we could get anything of value:

Bledsoe for legit value like unprotected cavs picks in 3 and 5 years.

Chandler for young player and/or mid-first rounder.

Tucker for any first rounder.

Dudley for any first rounder or early second.

Knight for a bag of pretzels.

That's not enough for Bledsoe. Not nearly. If I trade Bledsoe, I want a star front line player in return (or a first or second year player that will be a star).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That's not enough for Bledsoe. Not nearly. If I trade Bledsoe, I want a star front line player in return (or a first or second year player that will be a star).

I think you're under estimating the value of the cavs picks in 2020 and 2022. Post lebron cavs are not a destination team. They'll stink. Those will be big time lottery tix.