Buss: Kobe isnt untouchable.

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First off, I just wanted to say how proud I am of everyone. This section has been dormant for over a week, in the peak of Marion's trade request. It seemed like all we, and Shawn, needed was training camp to start and all the drama and rumors disappear. Offseason was a brutal rollercoaster of emotions, from KG to AK.

Having said that BRING ON KOBE!!!!11

Buss: Bryant isn't untouchable


Lakers owner says he doesn't want to trade his star player, but he doesn't want to lose him and get nothing in return. He also defends Kupchak.
By Mike Bresnahan, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
October 11, 2007​

Jerry Buss looked relaxed in a seashell-print shirt and khaki shorts as he sat down near lush hotel grounds of botanical gardens and koi ponds, a paradoxical setting for his frank discussion of the very real possibility that his star player might not be on the team in two years, if not sooner.

The owner of the Lakers spoke publicly for the first time since his team's off-season of disarray, providing details of his involvement and his deepest thoughts during several months' worth of distress signals emitted by Kobe Bryant.

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The conversation Wednesday also steered in other directions, touching on his opinion of his front office, whether he would sell the team in coming years, and Coach Phil Jackson's unclear future with the franchise.

Buss, who has presided over eight championships and five other NBA Finals appearances in his 28 previous years of ownership, acknowledged considering offers for Bryant over the summer -- none of them deemed remotely good enough to act upon -- and also conceded that the gaping hole in Bryant's contract could make the nine-time All-Star an ex-Laker by 2009.

Buss, 74, also said Bryant was not necessarily off the table now that the new season had started. Offers will inevitably continue to trickle in, particularly if the Lakers struggle before the February trade deadline.

"I would certainly listen," Buss said. "At any time, I think you have to do that with anybody. It's just part of the game, to listen to somebody who has a dissatisfied player that you think is going to fit. You can't keep too many loyalties. You've got to look at it as a business. He looks at it the same way I look at it."

Bryant has four years and $88.6 million left on his contract, although he can end his Lakers career by terminating his deal in two years. Such a move by Bryant would leave $47.8 million of his money on the table, but would also leave the Lakers without one of the most dynamic players in their 60-year history.

"I tend not to think in basketball terms that many years down the road because things change so dramatically, but he could test the waters at that point," Buss said. "If he still is in that frame of mind, then hopefully we can do a sign-and-trade and get some comparable talent. I would like to think that we win between now and then so that it doesn't come up."

This will be Bryant's 12th season with the Lakers, the former child prodigy now 29 and coming off an eminently vocal summer in which he requested to play for any other team, even if it meant being shipped to Pluto.

Buss tried to talk Bryant out of his mind-set at a June meeting in Barcelona, but Bryant continued to voice concerns about the direction of the franchise and reiterated his demand to be traded.

His unhappiness had steadily grown from the time the Lakers were eliminated by Phoenix in the first round of the playoffs, making it two consecutive first-round knockouts to go with a 121-125 regular-season mark since reaching the NBA Finals in 2004.

"He was very, very respectful," Buss said. "I told him when I walked in that I was going to try to talk him out of it. And he said, 'I'll listen carefully.' And he did.

"He listened very carefully for 30, 45 minutes. I tried to explain to him how much the city of Los Angeles loved him, and that to leave 10 million sweethearts for unknown territory might not be the right thing to do. But when I was finished, he said he basically felt the same way. And I said, 'OK. With that, I will proceed to see what's available.' "

Declining to give specifics, Buss said he might have pulled the trigger on a trade offer that was "within reason."

"You have to get comparable value when you make a trade," he said. "It's very hard to trade somebody like him because people who have enough material to make it worthwhile are usually contenders and they don't want to make the trade.

"What was offered was not ever under consideration. And I told Kobe that. I told him I would try my best to accommodate his wishes, but that I could not afford to let him go unless we got comparable talent, if there is such a thing. . . . I even told him occasionally what I was offered and I said, 'You have to know that this is not in favor of the Lakers. This would just be terrible to do.' And he said, 'I understand.' "

Buss said he never saw the amateur video in which Bryant referred to him as "an idiot." Nor did he read a late-May website entry in which Bryant suggested he had been misled by Buss, who in the summer of 2004, Bryant wrote, "promised me that the Lakers would do everything to build a contender NOW."

"I heard it second- or third-hand," Buss said. "In that we haven't been winning, the criticism of me, I think, is natural. . . . Quite honestly, since I did not read any of those other comments, I was a little surprised at him because certainly he's never said anything to me like that. Always very respectful."

Buss also addressed the fact that he might be losing his coach, something he would rather not experience.

Jackson, 62, is in the final season of a three-year, $30-million contract and has repeatedly said he would wait to sign an extension until properly gauging his health while recovering from a second hip-replacement surgery in a year.

"If he feels up to it, then he will sign an extension," Buss said. "And hopefully, that's what's going to happen. I'm very fond of him. . . . If he feels up to it, I think he would probably declare himself for a couple of years."

Jackson appeared to side with Bryant during the off-season, granting a series of interviews last month in which he tweaked the Lakers' front office for not making big changes.

Buss acknowledged frustration at losing out to old rivals in Boston for Kevin Garnett's services -- "I personally feel that we made a better offer than the people who were successful," he said -- and also gave a vote of confidence to his often-criticized front office, specifically his son, Jim -- the team's vice president of player personnel -- and General Manager Mitch Kupchak.

"I think Mitch does a terrific job because I'm right there and I know what's happening," Buss said. "Mitch has done everything humanly possible. Our team does not have a lot of tradable players. Hopefully we will have some in time, but currently we do not.

"We've got two or three players that people would like to have, but they want them giving us not comparable returns. I am aware of every single trade that he has tried to make. What we had to offer just wasn't sufficient for them.

"One of the big problems we had was that Kwame [Brown] and Lamar [Odom] were both injured at the end of the year so that nobody knew how they would come back. The other guy that was good was [Andrew] Bynum and nobody knew, 'How good is he?' Nobody knows yet, really."

Buss also defended his son, crediting him for insisting on drafting Ronny Turiaf; casting an important vote in favor of drafting Bynum; and, more recently, bringing sharpshooting undrafted rookie Coby Karl to training camp.

"Jim, I think, is in the same boat as Mitch," Buss said. "I think he is criticized for everything and I'm not so sure what any of us have done [wrong]."

Near the end of the 38-minute interview, Buss temporarily shrugged off the summer of discord and all the questions surrounding the upcoming season.

He said he thought the Lakers would win "50-plus games" if the roster were healthy, and he relayed a big-picture message. Despite the soap opera that his franchise can become on a moment's notice, he is not selling the team any time soon. The plan is still to turn it over to his daughter, Jeanie, and Jim.

"People I trust offer me incredible amounts of money -- far more than you'd imagine," Buss said. "These are credible people. I keep thinking, 'OK, [if] I sell it now, I pay the taxes, I put the money in the bank and now I've got to decide what to do. I ought to do something with all this money that would be a lot of fun. I'll buy the Lakers.' It always comes back to there's nothing I could do that would be more fun."

Marion/Bell/Barbosa/ATL for Kobe/Turiaf

Nash/DJ
Kobe/Banks
Hill/Tucker
Turiaf/Skinner
Amare/Diaw

Under Nash I believe Kobe would be completely pacified. He would play like he did with Team USA; humbled, selfless, and wicked defense.
 

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Actually, its not a bad trade, if we really wanted Kobe. But we really don't know what we have right now. I would be in favor of letting this group play together a little while. Also, Diaw would start, not Turiaf.
 

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You are delusional if you think that is not good enough. The Suns would never offer 2 starters plus Barbosa and Atlantas pick EVER.
 

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You are delusional if you think that is not good enough. The Suns would never offer 2 starters plus Barbosa and Atlantas pick EVER.

And that is why KB isnt wearing a Suns uni.
 

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You are delusional if you think that is not good enough. The Suns would never offer 2 starters plus Barbosa and Atlantas pick EVER.

It's crap. Marion's crap. They don't want him for Odom...why would they want him and FILLER for Kobe?

Yes, Bell is filler. The Atlanta pick has piddly value as it will probably be around 10.

Laker fans would hang Mitch from Staples if he signed off on a crappy deal like that.

You are delusional if you think a whiny overpaid 3 who plays 4 in Shawn, a borderline starter in Bell and a good player in Barbosa is going to pry away the best player in the game...much less Turiaf to boot.
 

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It's crap. Marion's crap. They don't want him for Odom...why would they want him and FILLER for Kobe?

Yes, Bell is filler. The Atlanta pick has piddly value as it will probably be around 10.

Laker fans would hang Mitch from Staples if he signed off on a crappy deal like that.

You are delusional if you think a whiny overpaid 3 who plays 4 in Shawn, a borderline starter in Bell and a good player in Barbosa is going to pry away the best player in the game...much less Turiaf to boot.

Lakerfans are ready to burn Buss for even IMPLYING he'd trade Kobe for the right parts. It'd be Thunderdome if he took that Poo-Poo Platter deluxe.
 
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You guys are looney if you dont think thats one of the best offers out there. They get marion and two of the best SGs in the league, not to mention a great 1st round pick. All NBA defensive player and a 6th man is NOT filler. Youre crazy to imply so. If you want to critique the turiaf addition id gladly accept, but calling bell and barbosa filler is just obtuse.

Any other team would have to sacrifice so much that kobe would veto the trade because he would have no one to play with.

Chicago is one of the only other teams that could pull it off, but they would most likely have to include wallace, and i doubt they could find a reasonable trade to offset his horrible contract.

Its easy to say its a horrible trade, and theres a 99.999* percent chance that it obviously will never go down. But that would be at near the top of Buss' list of ones he would have a double take at. Nothing short of 5 starters for kobe and radmanovic will tempt buss.
 
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The Lakers will never get full value for him so dealing him for solid pieces plus a lottery pick might work...it all depends on how the Lakers are doing prior to AS Break. If they are in the toilet, then why keep when the chance is losing him and getting nothing in return should he opt out. Then again, 47.8 Mill is a lot of reason to not opt out.
 

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Lakerfans are ready to burn Buss for even IMPLYING he'd trade Kobe for the right parts. It'd be Thunderdome if he took that Poo-Poo Platter deluxe.

I'd trade Kobe for the right parts.

Not the wrong ones. Or some garbage that makes the team WORSE.
 

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I'd trade Kobe for the right parts.

Not the wrong ones. Or some garbage that makes the team WORSE.
The Suns should give the Lakers their first round picks in 2015-2021. It might work.
 

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I'd trade Kobe for the right parts.

Not the wrong ones. Or some garbage that makes the team WORSE.

you act like the Lakers in a position of power from a bargaining standpoint. They aren't - and next off-season they're gonna be exactly where the T-Wolves were... screwed. At that point Marion, Barbs and likely a high Lotto Pick is as good as your gonna get.
 

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They aren't in a position of weakness, either. They aren't looking to trade the guy...definitely aren't going to do it for peanuts, either.
 

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They aren't in a position of weakness, either. They aren't looking to trade the guy...definitely aren't going to do it for peanuts, either.
Losing in the first round again is WEAK!!!!
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They aren't in a position of weakness, either. They aren't looking to trade the guy...definitely aren't going to do it for peanuts, either.

they will be next summer and if you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you.

then, again, seeing a high lotto pick, one of the best young guards in the league (with a fanastic contract) along with a 17 million dollar expiring contract is somehow peanuts to you.

Face it - when they get rid of Kobe (which they will next summer), it won't be about trying to get value to get better than what they are right now (which is crap anyway), it'll be about building for the future - no better way to do that than with a young stud, a high pick and huge cap space one year down the road.
 

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Well, laker fans are now up in arms because Kobe has a radio interview today.

Hey, it's pre-season...time for Laker DRAMA!!!!!!
 

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There was a post on another board which said that the AM 570 station in LA was reporting that Cuban is offering anyone but Dirk.
 

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What other major assets do they have other than J-Ho and Dirk? Maybe they think they can package J-Ho/Terry/Mbenga for Kobe? I would think PHX has a stronger set of assets to work from if they wanted to go to the bargaining table....
 

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What other major assets do they have other than J-Ho and Dirk? Maybe they think they can package J-Ho/Terry/Mbenga for Kobe? I would think PHX has a stronger set of assets to work from if they wanted to go to the bargaining table....

FWIW, Terry's contract is terrible. :barf:
 

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