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Bye, bye Bidwill
While making the training camp rounds, I asked several of Plummer's fellow ex-Cardinals how they think he'll fare in Denver. Their responses, for the most part, were surprisingly positive.

"I think he'll do well," says wideout MarTay Jenkins, who signed with the Falcons during the. "In Arizona, I feel like there wasn't a coach who got on his butt, and that's not going to be the case in Denver. Jake's a good quarterback, and when something went wrong he would take the blame. But some of the coaches on the staff would point the fingers elsewhere, and maybe Jake got caught up in that. Sometimes you've got to take responsibility for your own actions. In Denver, he'll be in a better position to do that."

Another wideout, former Pro Bowl selection David Boston, believes Plummer will thrive on a team with savvy veteran targets such as Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey and Shannon Sharpe. "Jake, I'll guarantee you, will do really well," says Boston, now with the Chargers. "He was indecisive in Arizona, and sometimes he made bad decisions, but he never had the talent around him that he does now. A lot of the interceptions he threw last year were to younger receivers he didn't trust as much, so he hesitated before throwing the pass. Now he's in a great system where that won't be a problem."

Safety Kwamie Lassiter, who also landed in San Diego, believes Plummer took too much heat in the desert. "He'd been the golden boy at Arizona State -- Jake the Snake -- and everybody wanted him to be the next Joe Montana," Lassiter says. "They didn't give him a chance to grow, to learn, to ease into the role. With all that pressure, he tried to do it all himself, and that was too much for anyone to bear. I hope he does well, because I love his attitude and passion for the game."

Lassiter, like Jenkins, desperately wanted to stay in Arizona, despite the team's legacy of losing under chintzy owner Bill Bidwill. Lassiter's anger surfaced when I mentioned that a lot of people wondered how much Plummer was responsible for his own struggles, and how much those hard times could be explained by playing quarterback for a dysfunctional organization.

"They're gonna find out," Lassiter said. "There are a lot of guys that aren't playing with the Cardinals right now who actually wanted to stay in Arizona, and the Cardinals still wouldn't re-sign them. It's been going on for years, with them letting guys like Larry Centers, Eric Hill, Seth Joyner, Clyde Simmons and Aeneas Williams get away. When you have a bad team for so many years, you've got to take steps to stop cutting off your nose to spite your face."

Says Jenkins: "I feel bad for [coach] Dave McGinnis, because he's got his hands tied by management. You pay your head coach to make the tough calls, but if you don't have the personnel, how can you build a championship team?"
 

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Originally posted by az-red
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Bye, bye Bidwill
While making the training camp rounds, I asked several of Plummer's fellow ex-Cardinals how they think he'll fare in Denver. Their responses, for the most part, were surprisingly positive.

"I think he'll do well," says wideout MarTay Jenkins, who signed with the Falcons during the. "In Arizona, I feel like there wasn't a coach who got on his butt, and that's not going to be the case in Denver. Jake's a good quarterback, and when something went wrong he would take the blame. But some of the coaches on the staff would point the fingers elsewhere, and maybe Jake got caught up in that. Sometimes you've got to take responsibility for your own actions. In Denver, he'll be in a better position to do that."

Another wideout, former Pro Bowl selection David Boston, believes Plummer will thrive on a team with savvy veteran targets such as Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey and Shannon Sharpe. "Jake, I'll guarantee you, will do really well," says Boston, now with the Chargers. "He was indecisive in Arizona, and sometimes he made bad decisions, but he never had the talent around him that he does now. A lot of the interceptions he threw last year were to younger receivers he didn't trust as much, so he hesitated before throwing the pass. Now he's in a great system where that won't be a problem."

Safety Kwamie Lassiter, who also landed in San Diego, believes Plummer took too much heat in the desert. "He'd been the golden boy at Arizona State -- Jake the Snake -- and everybody wanted him to be the next Joe Montana," Lassiter says. "They didn't give him a chance to grow, to learn, to ease into the role. With all that pressure, he tried to do it all himself, and that was too much for anyone to bear. I hope he does well, because I love his attitude and passion for the game."

Lassiter, like Jenkins, desperately wanted to stay in Arizona, despite the team's legacy of losing under chintzy owner Bill Bidwill. Lassiter's anger surfaced when I mentioned that a lot of people wondered how much Plummer was responsible for his own struggles, and how much those hard times could be explained by playing quarterback for a dysfunctional organization.

"They're gonna find out," Lassiter said. "There are a lot of guys that aren't playing with the Cardinals right now who actually wanted to stay in Arizona, and the Cardinals still wouldn't re-sign them. It's been going on for years, with them letting guys like Larry Centers, Eric Hill, Seth Joyner, Clyde Simmons and Aeneas Williams get away. When you have a bad team for so many years, you've got to take steps to stop cutting off your nose to spite your face."

Says Jenkins: "I feel bad for [coach] Dave McGinnis, because he's got his hands tied by management. You pay your head coach to make the tough calls, but if you don't have the personnel, how can you build a championship team?"

Good article, and i agree 100% with lassiter.
 

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Um, Kwamie, did Kurt Warner and Tom Brady need time to learn and grow? What about Kelly Holcomb? Plummer got more of a chance than the vast majority of QB's. He was supported from day one. Would Mariucci, Parcells, Vermeil, Belichek or Billick give a QB that much time? They brought in Freddie Jones just to give Plummer a solid target, and Plummer ignored him. I think that with free agency, players can not bag on one-another. A player never knows who they will be playing with in a couple of years. Boston and Lassiter are just echoing loser QB talk. If the QB fails it has to be somebody elses fault. Jeff Blake was in a similar situation in Cincy and he put up good numbers. He did not look to blame those around him. But then again, Blake did well on a bad team, so he had little to blame, unlike Plummer apologists who seems to want to blame everyone but the failed QB.
 

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I would be suprised if any one of those guys mentioned does **** on their respective teams.
 

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Speaking of Bidwill, I can' find a link to the article anywhere, but the current Football Digest magazine http://www.centurysports.net/football/ has an article on Conrad Dobler. Overall I don't care much for Football Digest, but I got a free issue. The Dobler article was interesting though. I never realized how much Olsen and Dobler hated each other. The part I laughed at was when Dobler said you know Bill Bidwill had to be taped up to the benches years ago by the Cardinal players when he was a water boy, and now he's getting even with the players. He had a couple other good quotes in there too. The article is called:

"The Game I’ll Never Forget "

By Conrad Dobler

The offensive lineman’s Cardinals lost a playoff game to the Rams in 1975, but he still is proud of the effect he had on Merlin Olsen that day.
 

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What are they supposed to say, "I think Plummer really sucks.."?

Most players don't like to bash former teammates, they never know if they will have to play with each other again.
 

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Re: Re: bye bye bidwill

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Good article, and i agree 100% with lassiter.


Whats to agree with? Joyner? Washed Up! Williams? Didnt want to be here so that is false! Eric Hill did not want to be here anymore when he left! Lassiter? Asked for way more than he is worth and turned down a very nice multi year deal that was offered, HIS PROBLEM! Larry Centers? The only one those comments make sense about!
 

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Re: Re: Re: bye bye bidwill

Originally posted by Shane H
Whats to agree with? Joyner? Washed Up! Williams? Didnt want to be here so that is false! Eric Hill did not want to be here anymore when he left! Lassiter? Asked for way more than he is worth and turned down a very nice multi year deal that was offered, HIS PROBLEM! Larry Centers? The only one those comments make sense about!

Seriously how do you know they didnt want to stay? I believe he played with them so he should know first hand.

I also agree with jenkins final statement on Mac and the front office.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: bye bye bidwill

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Seriously how do you know they didnt want to stay? I believe he played with them so he should know first hand.

I also agree with jenkins final statement on Mac and the front office.

Because if you followed this team you would know thats what they said! Aeneas outright stated trade me or Ill retire! Thats not a secret! Joyner was a has been I could care less if he wanted to stay! Eric Hill opted to leave for more money albeit not muchmore!

And Lassiter refused to sign a 3 year deal that would have payed him 2 million plus a year with a nice signing bonus! Doh you see what he making now! Sounds like a personal problem!
 

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OH MY MY.

Tango may I ? Amazing SIMPLY Amazing!

Lassiter you really wanted to stay in Arizona. That is why you
b!tched and complained about being tagged. ANd complained all through last season. Lier lier pants on fire!

PLUMMER NOT ENOUGH TIME TO GROW?????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

7 years? Not enough time ? Good Golly. I can smell B.S. It is thick in the air.

AS someone stated earlier in this thread. Get this cr@p off the board. Nothing but lies anyway.

Peace :thumbup:
 

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"Jake, I'll guarantee you, will do really well," says Boston, now with the Chargers. "He was indecisive in Arizona, and sometimes he made bad decisions, but he never had the talent around him that he does now."


Umm, what are you saying, David? That you're not talented? That would be a first.
 

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Re: Re: bye bye bidwill

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Umm, what are you saying, David? That you're not talented? That would be a first.

No kidding!
 
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