Bye, Bye Hambone!

[Shuesters2]

Some guys just know how to get that yard. In the Cards season highlights I was struck by a couple of short TD runs by Emmit. Maybe the longest was four yards but the beauty of it was that there was no hole. (Too bad he didn't run like that on every handoff!)

Barry Sanders, perhaps the best pure runner ever, was pulled out down by the goalline. (At least for one year.) In his highlights they mentioned that he lost over a thousand yards in negative plays over his career.

My point? There is none, except that size doesn't really matter. Emmitt and Marcus Allen were two of the best but weren't "big" backs. If the Cards have one on the roster now, he hasn't shown it in the NFL. (YET!)

Shuesters

 

[BigDavis75]

Also, if you'll recall Walter P. was pulled on the goaline in the Super Bowl for "Fridge" Perry. Now please, Joe and Canuck explain to me how Perry is a better runnner than Hodgins and how mcuh quicker the Fridge is at hitting the hole!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Also, if you'll recall Walter P. was pulled on the goaline in the Super Bowl for "Fridge" Perry. Now please, Joe and Canuck explain to me how Perry is a better runnner than Hodgins and how mcuh quicker the Fridge is at hitting the hole!

All the explanations in the world will never satisfy the deliberately obtuse.

Maybe I'll start a new thread entitled: "Big" for short yardage!

Why not? He meets your criteria. He outweighs Hodgins by 100 Lb. and he's only 15 carries behind him over the course of his career.

 

[joeshmo]

Also, if you'll recall Walter P. was pulled on the goaline in the Super Bowl for "Fridge" Perry. Now please, Joe and Canuck explain to me how Perry is a better runnner than Hodgins and how mcuh quicker the Fridge is at hitting the hole!

Wow, you can point to one play. And a horrible example at that.

The Bears were up 37 to 3 late in the 3rd quarter. The game wasnt on the line, and it was nothing but a fringe play to make the fans go crazy for the fan favorite. They just started having fun and playing around with NE from that point.

If the game was actually on the line, you better beleive the ball would have been in Paytons or Suhey's hands.

 

[kerouac9]

Hollings??

He's entering his 3rd season on a 4 year deal, so he's not going anywhere. He was a 2nd round pick...

He has been hampered by injuries in his two first season, but that's not a reason for releasing him IMO. Maybe you have heard something that I didn't???

From Lindy's 2005 Preview:

Tony Hollings was considered the team's running back of the future but has dealt with injury problems and may have to fight off [third round pick Vernand] Morency for the backup job... Running back of the future may be running out of time after two injury-prone seasons

I haven't heard anything, per se, but there's a numbers game going on in Houston at the RB position. Dominack Davis is facing his third 1000 yard season in the face, and may be entering a contract year. Tony Hollings and Jonathan Wells are both former second-round picks with high salaries, and they just drafted Vernand Morency. I can't imagine that they're going to carry four RBs into the regular season, and Morency's already 25, so it's not like he'll be doing a lot of good on the practice squad.

I haven't heard any rumors or anything, but there are a lot of talented players at the RB position in Houston, and Hollings only has 49 carries and a 3.0 YPC average to show for that second-round supplemental pick in 2003.

 

[BigDavis75]

Okay here's another example: SA last year on goal line. That yardage (he Felt) could have put him in front of C Mart for the NFL lead. Short-yardage backs come in all shapes and sizes as you have eluded to, so why not Hodgins?

 

[joeshmo]

Okay here's another example: SA last year on goal line. That yardage (he Felt) could have put him in front of C Mart for the NFL lead. Short-yardage backs come in all shapes and sizes as you have eluded to, so why not Hodgins?

And that example proves what?

Except that they needed a TD at the end of the game to tie it up from 5 yards out and decided to pass the ball instead.

As to why not Hodgins. Becuase he is slow, no vision, and hasnt done it for 6 years in the NFL. I know what it is, coaches just havent decided to use this great untapped running talent.

I am going to quote Crazy again from a few posts back,

"All the explanations in the world will never satisfy the deliberately obtuse."

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Okay here's another example: SA last year on goal line. That yardage (he Felt) could have put him in front of C Mart for the NFL lead. Short-yardage backs come in all shapes and sizes as you have eluded to, so why not Hodgins?

I'll leave it to Joe to knock one more out of the park...

BIM: Elude means evade or escape or failing to understand. As in: "The meaning eludes me... "

"Suggested" would make more sense in your sentence.

As to; "Why not Hodgins?" Well, 15 carries over a career, should tell even you something about what the Coaches think of his running ability - long - medium and SHORT.

 

[Pariah]

A few thoughts:

On Hambrick possibly being cut: No big loss; nor is it unexpected, IMO. He is Marcel Shipp without the drive to succeed, but he does come with a crappy attitude...so he's got that going for him.

On short-yardage backs: Whoever said they don't need to move a lot is only half right. They need to find the "hole" and fast--and to do that they need to be able to move quickly in a very tight space and have really good vision. Otherwise they'll just run up the back of their T or C. I heard Riggins talking about this the other week on the NFL channel on Sirius. He said it's a uniquw player that can do it--and it's not just about being big...look at Marcus Allen, possibly the best short-yardage back ever.

On using FBs more to carry the rock: I'm all for it...to the tune of 3-4, maybe 5 touches a game. Chances are they won't be your short-yardage back, though.

On Hambrick as a "power runner:" Yeah, hambone is big, but he's never been a punishing runner. He's a big man with decent moves for his size, but rarely does he run over people. He's not a "power runner." Neither is Shipp for that matter, but he's closer to it than Hambrick is, IMO.

 

[BigDavis75]

I'll leave it to Joe to knock one more out of the park...

BIM: Elude means evade or escape or failing to understand. As in: "The meaning eludes me... "

"Suggested" would make more sense in your sentence.

As to; "Why not Hodgins?" Well, 15 carries over a career, should tell even you something about what the Coaches think of his running ability - long - medium and SHORT.

With some work he could be a possibility, thats all I'm saying. Thats it we're done. And don't worry I know what elude means and RBs are doing very little of it on 3 & 1.

 

[Pariah]

BIM: Elude means evade or escape or failing to understand. As in: "The meaning eludes me... "

Pretty sure it's more of a simple BIM, and he just meant "allude."

 

[Fiasco]

Pretty sure it's more of a simple BIM, and he just meant "allude."

Who let all the damn roads schoolers on the board!

 

[SunsTzu]

Who let all the damn roads schoolers on the board!

Rhodes scholar .

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Pretty sure it's more of a simple BIM, and he just meant "allude."

You're right!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Who let all the damn roads schoolers on the board!

FYI

RHODES SCHOLARSHIPS: Rhodes Scholarships were created under the Will of Cecil John Rhodes, the British colonial pioneer and statesman, who died in 1902. He left the greater part of his fortune to establish the scholarships, selection for which was to be based on qualities of character as well as on intellect. Rhodes hoped to provide future leaders of the English-speaking world with an education which would broaden their views and develop their abilities, and he chose Oxford for this purpose because he believed that its residential colleges provided an environment especially conducive to personal development. Oxford was also the University he had himself attended, for short periods over a number of years while building his business and political career in Southern Africa. Rhodes hoped that those who gained these benefits from Oxford and his scholarships would go on to improve the lot of humanity, and work towards maintaining peace between nations.

 

[BigDavis75]

You're right!

Sorry allude means to make a reference to something, as in an allusion.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Sorry allude means to make a reference to something, as in an allusion.

We know...

Allude means an indirect or casual reference.

Had you used it, rather than "elude" - in your earlier sentence it would have made sense.

 

[BigDavis75]

We know...

Allude means an indirect or casual reference.

Had you used it, rather than "elude" - in your earlier sentence it would have made sense.

Oh I didn't even see that, my bad. LOL

 

[JasonKGME]

Just for the record

here are Marcel's #'s in 2003, in short yardage situations (3 yards or less needed) and in goal line situations (5 yards or less needed)

SY = 30 attempts, 17 converted for 1st down, 57% conversion rate.
GL = 1 attempt not converted (kinda sad only 1 attempt)


To put the #'s in perspective here are Ladanian Tomlainson's #'s in 2003:

SY = 35 attempts, 18 converted for 1st downs, 51% conversion rate.
GL = 11 attempts, 9 converted for TD.


Kinda hard obviously to draw comparisions on goal line situations as Shipp only had the 1, but overall Shipp had a better conversion rate then Tomlainson did.




So in my opinion I'd be find with Shipp getting the rock in short yardage/goal line situations.

 

[ajcardfan]

here are Marcel's #'s in 2003, in short yardage situations (3 yards or less needed) and in goal line situations (5 yards or less needed)

SY = 30 attempts, 17 converted for 1st down, 57% conversion rate.
GL = 1 attempt not converted (kinda sad only 1 attempt)


To put the #'s in perspective here are Ladanian Tomlainson's #'s in 2003:

SY = 35 attempts, 18 converted for 1st downs, 51% conversion rate.
GL = 11 attempts, 9 converted for TD.


Kinda hard obviously to draw comparisions on goal line situations as Shipp only had the 1, but overall Shipp had a better conversion rate then Tomlainson did.




So in my opinion I'd be find with Shipp getting the rock in short yardage/goal line situations.

I think the obvious conclusion to draw from this is we can trade Hodgins to the Chargers for a first round pick.

 

[BigDavis75]

I think the obvious conclusion to draw from this is we can trade Hodgins to the Chargers for a first round pick.

The same Chargers that have Lorenzo Neal?

 

[ajcardfan]

The same Chargers that have Lorenzo Neal?

Add this on to my previous post.....