Calvin Pace was not the worst pick in round 1.

[Ed B]

By my estimation, 5 picks were much much worse:

1. Nick Barnett
2. William Joseph
3. Tyler Brayton
4. Rex Grossman
5. Nmamdi Asomugha


Barnett is the worst first round pick i've ever seen. he's 5'11" and about 220 soaking wet. He's nowhere near fast enough to be a Tillman/Archuleta type if they move him to safety, and he'll get destroyed at LB.

Brayton is a big stiff. Joseph has some skill but I think he proved himself to be a pretty big risk in the offseason......lots of downside.

Grossman is a cocky, short a**hole who will follow Cade McNown into the annals of Short QBs Who Are Loathed by Teammates with the bears.

Asomugha is the typical "al davis thinks he's smarter than everyone else" pick. He's just a decent-sized guy with good spee/measurables who is absolutely clueless on the field. He'll be a special teams player if they're lucky.



At least we didn't draft those guys.

 

[SECTION 11]

I thought New Orleans taking Sullivan at #6 was odd.
Both of Oakland's picks were odd.
The Broncos taking Foster in front of Harris was odd.
I wouldn't have touched Woolfolk in the first either, because he's odd.

 

[Ed B]

Actually Foster is a pretty solid dude. Harris is a technician but Foster is a giant mauler. 6'7", 340. I figured someone might take a flyer on him.

Oakland's picks sucked ass. Period.

 

[AZCB34]

Grossman is a totaly f-ing joke of a pick IMO. What a waste. Also Angelo's obsession with Florida players is idiotic to me. At least the Bears didn't get screwed on their trade down.

 

[Ed B]

Yeah, the Bears already has Wuerffel, and they picked the same guy again basically

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Ed B
Wuerffel

He's still running from Wistrom and the Peter Brothers.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Ed B
Yeah, the Bears already has Wuerffel, and they picked the same guy again basically

I was still trying to recover from the Pace pick and here comes Angelo with Grossman. May as well have hit he in the head with a baseball bat.

I just cannot believe he thinks Grossman is going to be the man. I mean, just to get past the legacy of piss poor Florida QBs in the NFL will be tough enough. I was unimpressed with Grossman in college and I am more unimpressed with him now.

Angelo should have reasoned that the Pack was going to pick him so but avoiding his lame ass, he could cripple a divisional opponent.

Hope I am wrong about Grossman.

 

[AZCB34]

BTW...they had Matthews as well, another standout Florida QB!

 

[ChiCard]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Grossman is a totaly f-ing joke of a pick IMO. What a waste. Also Angelo's obsession with Florida players is idiotic to me. At least the Bears didn't get screwed on their trade down.

Right on the money!

 

[PDXChris]

Originally posted by Ed B
Yeah, the Bears already has Wuerffel, and they picked the same guy again basically

Wuerffel is in Washington with Matthews

 

[SweetD]

IMO the Bill taking Willis in the 1st was crazy. They have Henry and Gary??? O-well they got cought in the hype....

 

[BW52]

Originally posted by bankybruce
Wuerffel is in Washington with Matthews

Wuerful is still a FA who nobody has signed yet.Shane Matthews is down in TB with Brad Johnson,Shaun King,Jim Miller,Greg Zolman and Chris Simms.Think that`s enough QBs on one roster?

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Ed B
Actually Foster is a pretty solid dude. Harris is a technician but Foster is a giant mauler. 6'7", 340. I figured someone might take a flyer on him.

Oakland's picks sucked ass. Period.

I posted this elsewhere, the reason Harris slipped is his interviews with teams. He's "too smart" he has a lot of NFL people thinking after a few years he'll retire to become a doctor. Robert Smith syndrome of sorts. Sounds bizarre to hold that against a guy but when you're investing a ton of money and a high pick in a guy you don't want him quitting football in 3-4 years and that's why Harris slid.

Foster is a beast but he had a very serious wrist injury that's not healed yet and that's why scouts were concerned. Word is he didn't "use the wrist" at workouts so people got scared it was still a big problem.

As Ed said the guy is huge everyone knew about him prior to the draft.

Oakland is taking a lot of heat locally, but when you're a team that made the SuperBowl people give you a bit more leeway.

 

[Ed B]

I agree with Russ that Oakland gets some slack because they have so little "need" on a team that good, but the guys they picked are just total projects and if the legs come out from under old guys like Armstrong, Woodson, Rice, etc.......they're going to have nothing to fall back on because these kids are not ready, period.

 

[DieHardFromMO]

Originally posted by SweetD
IMO the Bill taking Willis in the 1st was crazy. They have Henry and Gary??? O-well they got cought in the hype....

I agree 100%. Buffalo did nothing but create problems for themselves from a team unity perspective. I read Travis Henry was peeved by the selection.

I can't stand McGahee's agent, Drew Rosenhaus. He is a pompous a-hole. I think this is his first or second year of representing NFL players after making quite the reputation for himself in MLB.

 

[Houdini]

Originally posted by Ed B
By my estimation, 5 picks were much much worse:

1. Nick Barnett
2. William Joseph
3. Tyler Brayton
4. Rex Grossman
5. Nmamdi Asomugha


Barnett is the worst first round pick i've ever seen. he's 5'11" and about 220 soaking wet. He's nowhere near fast enough to be a Tillman/Archuleta type if they move him to safety, and he'll get destroyed at LB.



At least we didn't draft those guys.

We'll see. But the Packers say Barnett is in the 230s, has the size and speed of Derrick Brooks of Tampa who was also picked in the late 20's of the first round, is a better tackler than Baily who has 2 bad knees, and has the speed needed to spy on the current generation of QBs like Culpepper and Vick. He could be a bust, but I don't worry what all the ESPN experts say about the Packers. They've had low grades by the experts in the past. Last year though they ended up with 6 different rookies who started at least one game, and 2 of thoose rookies were undrafted free agents. So I'm open to giving them time. I don't agree with the way the Cards did their draft day trade either, but that doesn't mean I'm right. I once disagreed with Ron Wolf his first year with the Packers. I couldn't understand why he'd trade away a first round draft choice for a guy who was a 3rd stringer on the bench and was a 2nd round pick the year before. It seemed to me like the Packers overpaid and reached for a QB, kind of like the Cardinal's with Pace. The Radio shows back then were critical too of how much the Packers overpaid for a 2nd round talent, kind of like Pace. But after we started seeing Brett Favre play, we didn't mind as much anymore. I agree the Pace pick and the trade was a mistake the way it unfolded. I would have used one of those picks on Boller to try and get a franchise QB. But you never know, that could have been a mistake too and GRaves could turn out to be right with his picks. Time will tell.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Ed B
I agree with Russ that Oakland gets some slack because they have so little "need" on a team that good, but the guys they picked are just total projects and if the legs come out from under old guys like Armstrong, Woodson, Rice, etc.......they're going to have nothing to fall back on because these kids are not ready, period.

Some other Oakland stuff, apparently the Raiders were considering heavily trying to get Boller or Leftwich in round one or take Simms later on. I said this a couple of weeks ago apparently Callahan isn't nearly as high on Tuiasasopo as Gruden was.

I expect a large dropoff from the Raiders this year anyways I don't see Gannon repeating that season. the only guys on the offense you can expect reasonably to get better are Porter and Doug Jolley. I just don't think the offense will be as good this time around. Defensively Buchanon is the key they need him to be really good right away, that way if Woodson's injuries come into play again they at least have one shutdown CB.

 

[Ed B]

Originally posted by Houdini
But you never know, that could have been a mistake too and GRaves could turn out to be right with his picks. Time will tell.

I couldn't agree more with that, kind sir.

Did you see Barnett at Oregon St though? Seriously, the dude looked like he's about 210 and he's short to boot. Unless Green Bay has the best defensive line in football, I don't see how they could get away with a LB that small.....especially since their middle man is Hannibal Naives, who's awful. Why not take EJ Henderson or Terry Pierce to play the middle?

The point of this post is that <b>everyone</b> from pick #18 to the end of round 1 was grasping at straws......so I guess the Cards can't get it too hard for taking Pace.

 

[Houdini]

Originally posted by Ed B
I couldn't agree more with that, kind sir.

Did you see Barnett at Oregon St though? Seriously, the dude looked like he's about 210 and he's short to boot. Unless Green Bay has the best defensive line in football, I don't see how they could get away with a LB that small.....especially since their middle man is Hannibal Naives, who's awful. Why not take EJ Henderson or Terry Pierce to play the middle?

The point of this post is that <b>everyone</b> from pick #18 to the end of round 1 was grasping at straws......so I guess the Cards can't get it too hard for taking Pace.

I haven’t seen Barnett yet. Packer reporter Cliff Christl in his chat room last night also said Nick Barnett looked small standing at the podium. By the way, your writing style is dead on with Cliff’s if you ever wanted a career change. He’s the Howard Cossell of Packer reporters. Half the state loves him because of his objective analysis, the other half hates him because he often bashes the Packers. He will get into it with some of the fans too in his chat rooms with his sarcastic wit. I enjoy his style though, and you are one of my favorite posters to read hear. I can’t stand reading constant fluff pieces, whether it’s about the Packers or Cardinals. I want objective analysis, good and bad.

The Packers don’t have the hulking nose tackle to protect Barnett. That’s their big weakness at the moment that could haunt them. Gilbert Brown is getting old and hurt to often to count on, and they don’t have any other hulking run stuffers to count on at the moment. They are planning on playing Barnett in the middle from the way it sounds at the moment. My thinking on Barnett though is Hardy Nickerson was to small last year to fill the hole and lay the boom on any running backs. But he also got old and too slow that he couldn’t run down anyone or pursue to the ball carrier when he was free to run. At least Barnett can run even if he can’t stuff the hole, and he can run with the running backs in coverage on passing plays. He should also have some speed to chase the speedy QBs in the league which killed the Packers. Barnett might have some liabilites, but at least he can help in some areas. Nickerson was useless in every area last year. So I think they upgraded at the middle linebacker spot. It can’t get any worse than Nickerson I hope.

Cliff also said that the odds are against Barnett and the Packers. He said of the 144 players drafted one through four over the last 36 years, 58% made the Pro Bowl. Of the other 867 first-round choices, only 29%, to this point, have turned out to be Pro Bowl players. The Packers have had more 1st round busts in the last 10 years than the Cardinals, so I’m use to it if Barnett doesn’t work out.

 

[Ed B]

Yeah, how are Antwan Edwards and Jamal Reynolds doing?



It's amazing that a team like the pack could draft so many clunkers and be so good!

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Ed B
Yeah, how are Antwan Edwards and Jamal Reynolds doing?



It's amazing that a team like the pack could draft so many clunkers and be so good!

#4

 

[Houdini]

Originally posted by Ed B
Yeah, how are Antwan Edwards and Jamal Reynolds doing?



It's amazing that a team like the pack could draft so many clunkers and be so good!

Yeah, Reynolds sucks. And he was the 10th pick in the draft a couple of years ago. If the Cardinals want a 260 pound speed rusher with 4.67 speed and uses that speed to run into the offensive linemen as fast as he can, I’m sure the Packers would trade him to you. The thing that has saved the Packers is for all the 1st round busts they’ve had the last 10 years, they’ve hit some gold in the later rounds. 5th round pick KGB came around the year Reynolds was a bust to cover that mistake. Donald Driver was a 7th round pick who came around to make up for Terry Glenn not doing much. Mark Taucsher was a 6th round pick to become a starting offensive tackle to cover their butt at that spot. Edwards still hurts though. Maybe they’ll sign Lassiter to replace him if he’s still available.

 

[Northern Card]

The "worst" picks in round one were made by the so-called experts before the draft who said the following would go in round 1 - and who since then want to insist that the team's got it wrong and they got it right.

Bailey, Doss, Henderson, Hunter, Kelsay, Jacobs, Long, Mathis, Peterson, Steinbach, Washington, Weathersby, Whitten

 

[Skkorpion]

The worst pick of the entire draft was McGahee. Let's see how a total knee reconstruction holds up in freezing weather and artificial turf - if and when the guy ever gets on the field.

 

[Pariah]

It's a sad commentary, however, that we have to post a thread that claims our pick wasn't the worst in the draft.