Cam Newton will go in the top 7

[Krangodnzr]

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Wonderlic scores RT @mortreport QBs prepped more. McElroy 43, Gabbert 42, Ponder 35, Stanzi 30, Dalton 29, Mallett 26, Newton 21, Locker 20.


I guess Cam couldn't find the test online.

Wonderlic doesn't matter too much and a 21 isn't that low of a score.

With our pick, I'm zeroing in on four players, and I'll list them in order of preference and explain why:

1) Von Miller. I was skeptical at first, but the argument that really sold me is that he's pro ready. His workout proves that he's an elite athlete to go along with being a producer and adding weight shows he can still get bigger. IMO he's the intersection between value and need and IMO that's how you hit homeruns in the draft.

2) Robert Quinn. I still think he could excel as a 3-4 rusher, but he's not as pro ready as Miller since he hasn't played the position before. IMO he could be a Shawn Merriman-type of elite prospect, but I've become weary of the bust factor of Quinn after numerous debates on the topic. I still really like him, but the Von Miller crowd (and the combine results) won me over.

3) Cam Newton. I think if you draft him here, you're swinging for the fences of greatness. You make strike out, but if you connect it's a homerun. IMO he's either an elite player or a total bust, but I can see the logic behind taking him and filling one of our greatest needs.

4) Patrick Peterson. The safe pick, and likely the best player in the draft. But I'm a fan of need intersecting value, and I don't think he fits the need category. Sure he'd start for us very early in his career, but I don't like taking a CB high because a CB can be avoided by a smart QB not throwing in their direction. That's not the case with elite passrushers, and QBs are the biggest impact players on the field.

What I dislike about this pool of players in the 2011 NFL Draft, is that there isn't an elite LT prospect. I'd jump all over drafting an elite LT, but alas we're screwed this year.

 

[desertdawg]

Wonderlic doesn't matter too much and a 21 isn't that low of a score.

With our pick, I'm zeroing in on four players, and I'll list them in order of preference and explain why:

1) Von Miller. I was skeptical at first, but the argument that really sold me is that he's pro ready. His workout proves that he's an elite athlete to go along with being a producer and adding weight shows he can still get bigger. IMO he's the intersection between value and need and IMO that's how you hit homeruns in the draft.

2) Robert Quinn. I still think he could excel as a 3-4 rusher, but he's not as pro ready as Miller since he hasn't played the position before. IMO he could be a Shawn Merriman-type of elite prospect, but I've become weary of the bust factor of Quinn after numerous debates on the topic. I still really like him, but the Von Miller crowd (and the combine results) won me over.

3) Cam Newton. I think if you draft him here, you're swinging for the fences of greatness. You make strike out, but if you connect it's a homerun. IMO he's either an elite player or a total bust, but I can see the logic behind taking him and filling one of our greatest needs.

4) Patrick Peterson. The safe pick, and likely the best player in the draft. But I'm a fan of need intersecting value, and I don't think he fits the need category. Sure he'd start for us very early in his career, but I don't like taking a CB high because a CB can be avoided by a smart QB not throwing in their direction. That's not the case with elite passrushers, and QBs are the biggest impact players on the field.

What I dislike about this pool of players in the 2011 NFL Draft, is that there isn't an elite LT prospect. I'd jump all over drafting an elite LT, but alas we're screwed this year.

I would be ok with any of those 4 guys, I would put Gabbert in the line up (behind Newton) too. I plan on getting my heart broken on draft day. I think Gabbert and Newton will be gone, and if one of them is there, we will probably pass on them.

Von Miller has as many questions around him as the next guy. Could be one of the best, but our OLB issues need more than just a pass rush. I don't know what to think about Von Miller.

If Peterson is there and the QBs are gone...and we get him..I will still do the happy hippie dance.
So I guess mine would be 1 Newton, 2 Gabbert, 3 Peterson, 4 Miller (for the Cards)

 

[Shane]

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Wonderlic scores RT @mortreport QBs prepped more. McElroy 43, Gabbert 42, Ponder 35, Stanzi 30, Dalton 29, Mallett 26, Newton 21, Locker 20.


I guess Cam couldn't find the test online.

Dont you know that test is culturally biased?

 

[desertdawg]

Dont you know that test is culturally biased?

Do you mean his daddy couldn't even buy it?

 

[Garthshort]

Krang, I like your top four, or five if you include Gabbert, but I'd add AJ Green, who also seems like a safe pick. If we don't get a QB at number one, then I think we'd have to use our second to trade for Orton or Palmer, with Kolb too expensive. I think the team is now looking at QB's because they feel Von Miller, who they want at #1, won't be there at #5, and I'm guessing they're not sold on Quinn. Just a guess.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Krang, I like your top four, or five if you include Gabbert, but I'd add AJ Green, who also seems like a safe pick. If we don't get a QB at number one, then I think we'd have to use our second to trade for Orton or Palmer, with Kolb too expensive. I think the team is now looking at QB's because they feel Von Miller, who they want at #1, won't be there at #5, and I'm guessing they're not sold on Quinn. Just a guess.

As far as Green goes, I think it's an admission that Larry is going to be gone if we draft him. Otherwise I think the value isn't there to have two big receivers.

And if I'm looking for a receiver, I'll wait a year for Alshon Jeffery from South Carolina who was better than Green last year anyway, and IMO is going to great in the pros.

 

[Cardiac]

Wonderlic doesn't matter too much and a 21 isn't that low of a score.

With our pick, I'm zeroing in on four players, and I'll list them in order of preference and explain why:

1) Von Miller. I was skeptical at first, but the argument that really sold me is that he's pro ready. His workout proves that he's an elite athlete to go along with being a producer and adding weight shows he can still get bigger. IMO he's the intersection between value and need and IMO that's how you hit homeruns in the draft.

2) Robert Quinn. I still think he could excel as a 3-4 rusher, but he's not as pro ready as Miller since he hasn't played the position before. IMO he could be a Shawn Merriman-type of elite prospect, but I've become weary of the bust factor of Quinn after numerous debates on the topic. I still really like him, but the Von Miller crowd (and the combine results) won me over.

3) Cam Newton. I think if you draft him here, you're swinging for the fences of greatness. You make strike out, but if you connect it's a homerun. IMO he's either an elite player or a total bust, but I can see the logic behind taking him and filling one of our greatest needs.

4) Patrick Peterson. The safe pick, and likely the best player in the draft. But I'm a fan of need intersecting value, and I don't think he fits the need category. Sure he'd start for us very early in his career, but I don't like taking a CB high because a CB can be avoided by a smart QB not throwing in their direction. That's not the case with elite passrushers, and QBs are the biggest impact players on the field.

What I dislike about this pool of players in the 2011 NFL Draft, is that there isn't an elite LT prospect. I'd jump all over drafting an elite LT, but alas we're screwed this year.

Couple of things jump out at me. Krang does have a brain and actually "listens" to what other have to say. All too often people have an opinion and stick to it no matter what transpires during the debate.

I also agree with your list but would add Gabbert as well.

The Peterson point is where I have a different point of view. If DRC gets his stinkin mind right then QB's will have to pick their poison and can't avoid two top notch CB's. With only one "shutdown" CB a defense is still improved. Plus PP appears to be an elite punt returner, something this QBless team truly needs.

It's a good thing their isn't an elite LT because Whiz and co. are fine with Levi and it saves us that heartbreak of not selecting said LT.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Couple of things jump out at me. Krang does have a brain and actually "listens" to what other have to say. All too often people have an opinion and stick to it no matter what transpires during the debate.

I also agree with your list but would add Gabbert as well.

The Peterson point is where I have a different point of view. If DRC gets his stinkin mind right then QB's will have to pick their poison and can't avoid two top notch CB's. With only one "shutdown" CB a defense is still improved. Plus PP appears to be an elite punt returner, something this QBless team truly needs.

It's a good thing their isn't an elite LT because Whiz and co. are fine with Levi and it saves us that heartbreak of not selecting said LT.

Peterson is certainly an elite athlete, but is he an elite CB, or, should I say, an elite FS in waiting?

According to Mayoch and others on the NFL Network, he middling at best in off coverage. And one can't be "shutdown" unless you do it in all defensive phases in the passing game. He's a great kick and punt returner, no doubt, but the competition committee has recommended moving kick-offs to the 35, which will certainly lessen his impact in that part of the game.

The question for me is who on every snap is more likely to effect the game?

I think it is Miller.

 

[Cardiac]

Peterson is certainly an elite athlete, but is he an elite CB, or, should I say, an elite FS in waiting?

According to Mayoch and others on the NFL Network, he middling at best in off coverage. And one can't be "shutdown" unless you do it in all defensive phases in the passing game. He's a great kick and punt returner, no doubt, but the competition committee has recommended moving kick-offs to the 35, which will certainly lessen his impact in that part of the game.

The question for me is who on every snap is more likely to effect the game?

I think it is Miller.

I've heard some of those concerns myself. If he doesn't have the hips to play off coverage and turn and burn when needed then he may be better at FS. If he just hasn't played off coverage that much and can be coached up on that technique then I am still fine with PP as our pick.

The Cards have not had a home grown pass rusher since Simeon and this D needs one desperately. I do have some concerns about Von's ability to play the run. I'm not concerned about his possible lack of pass rush moves since he can be coached up on these and then he will become even more effective at rushing the QB.

The positions of need order for me is:

QB
OLB Pass rusher
SILB
LT
TE
CB

I'm not sure how this lines up with the FO's list of needs. I'd love to hear Mayock's take on this and who he thinks the Cards should take at 5. My guess is that if Gabbert is there that's who he would have us take.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I've heard some of those concerns myself. If he doesn't have the hips to play off coverage and turn and burn when needed then he may be better at FS. If he just hasn't played off coverage that much and can be coached up on that technique then I am still fine with PP as our pick.

The Cards have not had a home grown pass rusher since Simeon and this D needs one desperately. I do have some concerns about Von's ability to play the run. I'm not concerned about his possible lack of pass rush moves since he can be coached up on these and then he will become even more effective at rushing the QB.

The positions of need order for me is:

QB
OLB Pass rusher
SILB
LT
TE
CB

I'm not sure how this lines up with the FO's list of needs. I'd love to hear Mayock's take on this and who he thinks the Cards should take at 5. My guess is that if Gabbert is there that's who he would have us take.

I'm sure Mayoch will address Cards needs in the next few weeks. They are doing a countdown from 32 to 1 on the NFL Network. I agree that he'd support selecting Gabbert at #5, but he doesn't believe that he'll be available.

postions in order of need for me:

QB
OLB Pass rusher
SILB
Centre/guard
NT (backup)
CB