Can a team actually rebuild in 1 season?

JosiahLee

Hall of Famer
Joined
Sep 20, 2018
Posts
2,129
Reaction score
4,002
Location
Gilbert
I think we can all agree this is officially no longer a “re-tool” but a “rebuild”. I want to pose a serious question...Can a team actually go from the doghouse to the penthouse in one season? And if so, how does a team actually do it.

It’s early, but it appears the Browns may have effectively rebuilt in 1 season. Their early picks have started and played well so far (Mayfield looks like the real deal). They aggressively went after high profile players in free agency (Landry led the league in receptions last year. Hyde has been a quality starting RB in this league) and they made a switch in management (new GM - John Dorsey)

I’d love to hear your specific thoughts on how you think the Cardinals can become a perennial playoff team beginning next season. What are the next steps? What’s priority #1? What positions must the Cards address? Do they need to make changes in management?
 
OP
OP
JosiahLee

JosiahLee

Hall of Famer
Joined
Sep 20, 2018
Posts
2,129
Reaction score
4,002
Location
Gilbert
When I think about other teams who did it, Seattle obviously comes to mind.

I think one of the first steps is getting leadership right. Bringing in a coach of Pete Carroll’s pedigree was absolutely essential in building a winning culture. His resume as USC speaks for itself.

Secondly, a GM who has an eye for talent in the draft is crucial to success. This statement seems like a no-brainer, but some GMs are better at signing free agents than actually identifying talent in the draft...but drafting your star players is always the better route to building a championship team than buying your star players. What John Schneider was able to accomplish through the draft in just a few years time is nothing short of amazing. Almost all of the legion of boom were drafted by Seattle (Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Bobby Wagner, the list goes on and on). Side note, Denny Green May not have been the greatest coach but man could he draft talent!

Next, I’d say finding your franchise qb through the draft (so you can pay him pennies on his rookie contract while you load your roster) is essential. I think this is partially why the Rams and Eagles have been successful with Goff and Wentz still on their rookie deals.
 

WildBB

Yogi n da Bear
Joined
Mar 20, 2004
Posts
14,295
Reaction score
1,239
Location
The Sonoran Jungle - West
If Rosen is the franchise, that's a great place to start. Build it from there. They'll have good cap space next off season. A couple high draft picks should help. Build the lines, and get a couple tackling machines at LB, WR #1, CB #2 and were on our way.
 
OP
OP
JosiahLee

JosiahLee

Hall of Famer
Joined
Sep 20, 2018
Posts
2,129
Reaction score
4,002
Location
Gilbert
Ask the Patriots. They do it every year. Won’t happen under Keim

Is it as simple as having a stud franchise qb like Brady or Rodgers? Or do you need a brilliant coach like Belichick as well? Most of us would argue you need a great coach, but the Packers have been a consistent playoff team even though Mike McCarthy doesn’t have a great reputation.
 
OP
OP
JosiahLee

JosiahLee

Hall of Famer
Joined
Sep 20, 2018
Posts
2,129
Reaction score
4,002
Location
Gilbert
If Rosen is the franchise, that's a great place to start. Build it from there. They'll have good cap space next off season. A couple high draft picks should help. Build the lines, and get a couple tackling machines at LB, WR #1, CB #2 and were on our way.

Yes, I am very excited about the generous cap space the Cards have going into next season.

I would also agree that I would like to see them identity the OL/DL first in the draft. As much crap as Jerry Jones gets, I admire the way he has addressed the “trenches” in the draft early and often.
 

kerouac9

Klowned by Keim
Joined
Feb 14, 2003
Posts
38,367
Reaction score
29,732
Location
Gilbert, AZ
People need to stop talking about cap space. Every team has cap space every year. This is dumb.

Using Cleveland as an example is also dumb. They won 1 game in the previous 2 seasons. They’ve been building that roster for some time.

Can you rebuild in a season? If you have two of an elite coach, elite QB, and elite GM. I don’t think we have that.
 

NJCardFan

ASFN Icon
Joined
Jul 14, 2005
Posts
14,974
Reaction score
2,968
Location
Bridgeton, NJ
If Rosen is the franchise, that's a great place to start. Build it from there. They'll have good cap space next off season. A couple high draft picks should help. Build the lines, and get a couple tackling machines at LB, WR #1, CB #2 and were on our way.
As long as Keim is doing the drafting, I have zero confidence in his ability to draft viable players.
 

Finito

ASFN Icon
Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Posts
21,060
Reaction score
13,827
I think we can all agree this is officially no longer a “re-tool” but a “rebuild”. I want to pose a serious question...Can a team actually go from the doghouse to the penthouse in one season? And if so, how does a team actually do it.

It’s early, but it appears the Browns may have effectively rebuilt in 1 season. Their early picks have started and played well so far (Mayfield looks like the real deal). They aggressively went after high profile players in free agency (Landry led the league in receptions last year. Hyde has been a quality starting RB in this league) and they made a switch in management (new GM - John Dorsey)

I’d love to hear your specific thoughts on how you think the Cardinals can become a perennial playoff team beginning next season. What are the next steps? What’s priority #1? What positions must the Cards address? Do they need to make changes in management?

Lmao they've had 18 straight losing seasons dude. This wasn't a 1 year rebuild.

And there still not a playoff team. The grass isn't always greener.
 

Veer

All Star
Joined
Jan 25, 2016
Posts
863
Reaction score
890
Rebuilds happen quicker than ever before. Rams are the prime example. But there are many teams over the last couple of years that significantly improved their record, going from bottom tier to playoff contender.

I'm one of Keim's harshest critics. So many mind boggling draft decisions. Yet the 2018 draft could prove to be the foundation of a successful offense for years to come. Rosen, Kirk and Cole are already starting and look the part. We have a solid young LT who was drafted by Keim, the toughest position to find on offense besides QB. Elite RB locked up long-term. As the rookies will only grow and come closer to their potential, I'm not too worried. Even Mike McCoy won't break them. Again, I'm a big critic of McCoy. But what can he do about Rosen being just off on several open throws, WRs dropping the ball far too often and the OL not winning their one-on-one battles in the run game? We left so many easy plays on the field. If we make at least 3 of these plays, the numbers suddenly look pretty.

Our rebuild is in full swing already. Rosen will cut down on his errant throws. His pocket presence and poise are outstanding, you'd never guess he is a rookie. Surprisingly he is better at extending the play than I gave him credit for. As he gets better timing down, we won't see as many errant throws.

As Rosen develops, we need to draft talent in the front seven. We need at least one legit 4-3 LB and another difference maker on DL. I'd be happy if by the end of the season Rosen shows growth and our defense, while certainly a couple of players away, continues to make plays. Collect some wins along the way, but well, not too many to lose out on a top 10 pick.
 

slanidrac16

ASFN Icon
Supporting Member
Joined
Jul 11, 2002
Posts
15,583
Reaction score
15,847
Location
Plainfield, Il.
When you look at today’s nfl look at the best teams today and what they have. A bright young offensive innovative head coach. A good to great TE. A very good to great RB and two or three very good WR’s and a decent o-line. Rams, eagles, patriots, Vikings chiefs and saints have this. None of these teams have been playing lights out defense but they are never out of a game. Rams, Vikings and eagles defense will eventually play better. Scary to think how short we are of this kind of talent. I kind of doubt we will be able to turn this thing around until 2020.
 

Totally_Red

Air Raid Warning!
Joined
Apr 26, 2005
Posts
8,880
Reaction score
4,795
Location
Iowa
People need to stop talking about cap space. Every team has cap space every year. This is dumb.

Using Cleveland as an example is also dumb. They won 1 game in the previous 2 seasons. They’ve been building that roster for some time.

Can you rebuild in a season? If you have two of an elite coach, elite QB, and elite GM. I don’t think we have that.

We have an elite owner, but none of what you specified. Wilks may become a solid NFL coach and Rosen may eventually be a top 15 QB, but elite for
any of three is a stretch.
 

Totally_Red

Air Raid Warning!
Joined
Apr 26, 2005
Posts
8,880
Reaction score
4,795
Location
Iowa
When you look at today’s nfl look at the best teams today and what they have. A bright young offensive innovative head coach. A good to great TE. A very good to great RB and two or three very good WR’s and a decent o-line. Rams, eagles, patriots, Vikings chiefs and saints have this. None of these teams have been playing lights out defense but they are never out of a game. Rams, Vikings and eagles defense will eventually play better. Scary to think how short we are of this kind of talent. I kind of doubt we will be able to turn this thing around until 2020.

There is a talent deficit on the O-line, at wide receiver and at linebacker. But the overall talent level is not bad. There is some very good young talent. The key this coming off-season will be adding the defensive pieces that fit the defensive scheme that Wilks want to run and upgrading the offensive talent and coaching staff IMO.
 

AZCB34

ASFN Icon
Joined
Sep 23, 2002
Posts
14,561
Reaction score
6,512
Location
Mesa, AZ
People need to stop talking about cap space. Every team has cap space every year. This is dumb.

Using Cleveland as an example is also dumb. They won 1 game in the previous 2 seasons. They’ve been building that roster for some time.

Can you rebuild in a season? If you have two of an elite coach, elite QB, and elite GM. I don’t think we have that.

As of now the Cardinals are 0-3. Doesn't bode well for a one year rebuild.
 

Gandhi

Hall of Famer
Joined
Feb 17, 2007
Posts
2,012
Reaction score
2,855
Location
Denmark
I think we can all agree this is officially no longer a “re-tool” but a “rebuild”. I want to pose a serious question...Can a team actually go from the doghouse to the penthouse in one season? And if so, how does a team actually do it.

It’s early, but it appears the Browns may have effectively rebuilt in 1 season. Their early picks have started and played well so far (Mayfield looks like the real deal). They aggressively went after high profile players in free agency (Landry led the league in receptions last year. Hyde has been a quality starting RB in this league) and they made a switch in management (new GM - John Dorsey)

I’d love to hear your specific thoughts on how you think the Cardinals can become a perennial playoff team beginning next season. What are the next steps? What’s priority #1? What positions must the Cards address? Do they need to make changes in management?

Good and relevant post, Josiah!

Going from the doghouse to the penthouse happens, and for some teams the transformation lasts all the way to the Super Bowl, and last year the Eagles even won it. It does take some pretty big changes, though, and here I won’t get into more detailed changes.

Using 2014 as the basic, only three teams in the entire league went from a losing record in 2014 to a winning record in 2015. All three of them made the playoffs, and Carolina managed to get to the Super Bowl before they lost. The other two were beaten in the Wildcard Round.

Seven teams went from a losing record in 2015 to a winning record in 2016, and five of them made the playoffs. Four of them were eliminated in the Wildcard Round, while the last one were beaten in the Divisional Round.

The following season seven teams with losing records in 2016 managed to get a winning record in 2017, and six of them made the playoffs. Three of them lost in the Wildcard Round, one of them were eliminated in the Divisional Round, one of them lost in the AFC championship game, and the last one won the Super Bowl.

In 2014 two of the teams had second year head coaches while the third had a veteran coach.

In 2015 three of the teams had rookie head coaches while one had a second year coach.

In 2016 four of the teams had rookie head coaches while one (the one that won it all) had a second year head coach.

It seems pretty clear to me that a new head coach can go a very long way in making the transformation from one year to another as seven of the 17 teams had rookie head coaches. Four times a second year head coach has done it, including the one going all the way to win the Super Bowl.

Interestingly enough, the team with the biggest swing in the win-loss-column from 2014 to 2015 was the Carolina Panthers going from 7-8-1 to 15-1, and they actually didn’t change that much. The head coach was the same (Ron Rivera in his 5th year), the coordinators were the same (Sean McDermott in his 4th year and Mike Shula in his 3rd), and the quarterback were the same (Cam Newton in his 5th season). They re-made their offensive line, and they changed a player here and there, but other than that it was pretty much the same team.

From 2015 to 2016 Dallas Cowboys had the biggest swing, going from 4-12 to 13-3. Like the Panthers the year before, Dallas had the same head coach (Jason Garrett in his 6th season), the same coordinators (Scott Linehan in his 2nd season and Rod Marinelli in his 3rd season), but the personnel had changed some. Dak Prescott was the new quarterback, and Ezekiel Elliot was the new focus of the offense. The defense was more or less the same.

From 2016 to 2017 two teams had a seven game swing – the Jaguars from 3-13 to 10-6, and the Rams from 4-12 to 11-5. Both teams had new head coaches, but while the Jaguars’ two coordinators was in their second seasons with the team, the Rams also had new coordinators. On the Jaguars’ offense the biggest changes were runningback Leonard Fournette and left tackle Cam Robinson, while on the defense it was defensive lineman Calais Campbell and cornerback A.J. Bouye. The Rams had a new full-time starter at quarterback, two new cornerstones on their offensive line, two new top receivers, while not much changed on the defense.

I don’t really know what to take from this as there obviously is no blueprint to follow. Sometimes teams with veteran head coaches make big swings in the win-loss-column from year to year, and sometimes teams with rookie head coaches does it. Sometimes the coordinators are the same, sometimes both the coordinators and the personnel is changed. I guess one important lesson is that all four teams have had very good offensive lines, and key offensive acquisitions has been essential for three of the teams.

It’s also important to note that these big swings from one season to another doesn’t simply happen over one offseason. With Carolina they were 12-4 in 2013 with much of the same personnel, while the Cowboys were 8-8 in both 2012 and 2013, and they were 12-4 in 2014. So, while they had down-years, much of the core of the teams had been built over several years.

Even the Rams did win seven games in 2012 and 2013, before they won six in 2014, and seven again in 2015, so it wasn’t like they had been destroyed for years. Going back to 2015 several players on their offensive line was the same in 2016, 2017, and is the same now, their primary offensive weapon has been the same for four straight seasons, two of their defensive tackles have been the same, some players from the secondary have been the same. I know that some wants us to believe that the Rams got good overnight, but the reality is that it doesn’t happen that way in the NFL. Continuity matter.
 
Top