Can Googs play center for us next year?

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Googs has played center at times for us in the past. Next year he is a $14 million dollar anchor on this team. Amare is going to get major minutes at PF. I say for $14 mil, get Googs off his A$$ and play some center for us. He obviously doesn't have the footspeed that made him a valuable PF in his younger days. Those of you who have gone to games and seen his meager minutes, do you think he can play center for us?
 

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Unfortunately, he may have to. :(

But, I'm wondering if he can really play anything at all, let alone center.
 

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Googs will be traded to someone looking for cap space.
 

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I don't think it is. 2004 will be the Kobe Bryant sweepstakes. Many teams will be looking for expiring contracts at the trade deadline.


The Grizzlies immediately come to mind.
 

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Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
I don't think it is. 2004 will be the Kobe Bryant sweepstakes. Many teams will be looking for expiring contracts at the trade deadline.


The Grizzlies immediately come to mind.

And what would we get in return? Well, we sure wouldn't get expiring contracts. And we certainly wouldn't get players like Stromile Swift, who still have some value.

So if Googs is traded, we would end up with crappy old players with more than 2 years left on their deals.

No thanks. We can use the cap space ourselves, don't you think?
 

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If Jerry West thinks he can get Kobe, then they won't be sending just crappy guys.

Kobe changes the entire FA market for 2004. They won't see it as trading for Googs, they will see it as trading for Kobe.
 

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What about the Lakers extending him? You can be damn sure they're going to try this summer.
 

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Kobe has already refused the extension.

Didn't you see all that in the papers? He is definitely testing the FA Market in 2004
 

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Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Kobe has already refused the extension.

Didn't you see all that in the papers? He is definitely testing the FA Market in 2004

Which paper was that? The New Times? lol

Kobe turned down an extension last year because it was 2 years before his contract was scheduled to be done. But he has yet to get an offer this summer. So I'm not sure where you get your information from. Kobe refusing an extension would be pretty big news in Los Angeles.
 

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Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
If Jerry West thinks he can get Kobe, then they won't be sending just crappy guys.

MEM should have to dump about 14 mil. salary for HAVING the chance to sign a max. FA in 2004.

That means that we should have to take Wright,Dickerson and some sweetener for Gugliotta.
I highly doubt that Colangelo would do this deal.
 

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Originally posted by hcsilla
MEM should have to dump about 14 mil. salary for HAVING the chance to sign a max. FA in 2004.

That means that we should have to take Wright,Dickerson and some sweetener for Gugliotta.
I highly doubt that Colangelo would do this deal.

Amen to that! :D
 

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Chaplin,

I read it on this uncredible source called ESPN.Com.

Here is a copy of the Insider article:

Distractions. The Lakers seem to thrive on them.


Over the weekend, the death of Shaquille O'Neal's grandfather and the birth of his new baby led to a plethora of questions over his availability and his focus for the team's series with the Timberwolves.

Shaq's 32 points and 10 rebounds Sunday quickly quieted those comments. But lost in all the Shaq hoopla was a warning shot by Kobe Bryant that could rock the entire franchise.


Will Kobe and Shaq play Michael and Scottie and break-up the Lakers?
Bryant told the L.A. Daily News on Saturday that he plans on opting out of his contract in 2004.

The news stunned GM Mitch Kupchak and the rest of the franchise.

"That's the first I've heard of it," Kupchak said. "I don't know exactly what it means, other than somebody would like to explore options and have options."

While several commentators have tried to soften the blow by claiming Kobe's refusal to sign a contract extension has more to do with financial planning than his relationship with the Lakers, don't believe that for a second.

Kobe stands to gain nothing, financially, from refusing to sign an extension. Yes, the collective bargaining agreement expires after next season, but if you believe the players are going to come out of the new agreement with better terms, you're dreaming.

Kobe isn't opting out so he can build his nest egg. He's restless. He wants to smell the grass on the other side of the Lakers fence. He's grown tired of Phil Jackson's criticisms and playing in Shaq's shadow.

He's also wary of the Lakers' future. Jackson's contract expires after next season. Shaq has promised to follow Phil out the door. If Kobe locks in now and Phil and Shaq bolt, the Lakers will be terrible. The team has largely foregone rebuilding to keep running at a championship level. Only young players like Kareem Rush and Devean George seem to have any real upside. Kobe wants to win more than anything else. With or without the Lakers.

"It is what it is. I like options, man," Bryant said Saturday. "I like learning things. I like exploring different situations. That's all, really."

Bryant was defensive when asked if he might leave L.A.

"Are you trying to start some (stuff) right now?" he told the Daily News. "I don't know. You never say never. I mean, you never know. Obviously, I want to stay here, I want to play my career out here, but you never know."


Phil Jackson's contract also expires after next season.
Kupchak seemed resigned to changes.

"We've had such great success with our team and coaching staff, I know it's tough for anybody to think it's going to change," Kupchak said. "But everybody has to do what's right for them."

Is Kobe better off leaving L.A.? Grizzlies president Jerry West thinks so. His plan, since day one, was to clear enough cap space to lure Bryant to Memphis in 2004.

The Grizzlies aren't there yet, but they'll be working hard this summer to get far enough below the cap to sign Kobe. The team has been trying to package Lorenzen Wright and Stromile Swift since last fall. They'll also give away Jason Williams to the highest bidder, and even Shane Battier's available at the right price.

Memphis feels a combination of Kobe, Mike Miller, Pau Gasol and Earl Watson (who West adores) would make it a contender in the Western Conference.

Of course, the Grizzlies won't be alone in their pursuit of Kobe. The Pistons, Heat (if they don't sign a big free agent this summer), Hornets and Spurs (if they take it easy on free agency this summer) could get far enough under the cap to offer Kobe the max.

But it won't be easy to leave the bright lights of L.A., especially if Phil and Shaq commit to return. Right now, that's still up in the air.

Jackson told the Daily News that how the Lakers play the next several weeks will determine his desire to sign an extension. Shaq still maintains he'll walk if Jackson does.

"Right now, I couldn't see myself playing for anybody else, but we just have to see who that somebody else is," O'Neal said. "If it's like a Chuck Daly or somebody that's the same caliber, then yeah, I'll give it a try. But Phil's my guy."

Now, Jackson, Kobe and O'Neal could be deciding their futures in the same summer. If that doesn't keep Kupchak up at night, nothing will.
 

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Oh and here is the article highlight

Is Kobe better off leaving L.A.? Grizzlies president Jerry West thinks so. His plan, since day one, was to clear enough cap space to lure Bryant to Memphis in 2004.

The Grizzlies aren't there yet, but they'll be working hard this summer to get far enough below the cap to sign Kobe. The team has been trying to package Lorenzen Wright and Stromile Swift since last fall. They'll also give away Jason Williams to the highest bidder, and even Shane Battier's available at the right price.


But what does Chad Ford know right?
 

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Don't be a prick, Chris, even though it's difficult.

The LA Times hasn't had anything regarding that. I'd like to see the Daily News article as well.
 

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Ok, I just read a Daily News article from April 23rd, where Kobe declined a 3 year extension to keep his "options open", but he didn't say he was leaving the Lakers, and you can be damn sure that the Lakers will do everything they can to keep him. Kevin Garnett money, I'm sure.

Again, you were right, but you don't have to be an cornholio about it.
 

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Sorry but the New Times comment got to me. I consider them to be right above the National Enquirer.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to be a prick, just kind of a smartass back so I apologize.
 

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Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
Sorry but the New Times comment got to me. I consider them to be right above the National Enquirer.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to be a prick, just kind of a smartass back so I apologize.

No worries.

I have learned over the years to not trust much of what Chad Ford says--he's not very intelligent. I like local reporting much better, especially if it's something that might be bad.
 
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Of course we have to get through this year with JK and duncan on the FA market, as well as others. I have seen where they expect JK to stay in NJ, but who really knows? Now if NJ could lure Duncan to NJ, they would rule the Eastern Conference for a good long time. That probably won't happen, but there will be more movement this off season than last, just a gut feeling. More players seem to be after the golden ring, and with the Lakers out, it seems there is more optimism among the NBA on people feeling they have a chance to win with more teams. That could mean more teams may reach to get that one extra guy to put them over the top.
 

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I listened to a local Los Angeles radio sports show that interviewed West on this subject. West was very adamant about stating that he didn’t think Kobe would leave the Lakers and then said that if Kobe were even to consider it he would be the first to tell him to stay and finish his career with the Lakers. That was straight from West’s mouth.

But is West just covering his ass?

Here’s the deal. There is only one GM better than Colangelo at doing under the table deals with players. That would be West. West and Kobe would clearly make statements like this to avoid tampering penalties ala the Twolves. Lets not forget that it was West who cleared cap space for Shaq. Clearly they had an under the table deal but nobody did or said anything.

So my guess is that West is covering his ass by making these statements. But it wouldn’t surprise me if he pulls a Shaq with Kobe. Lets not forget that Phil Jackson is done next year as well. And Kobe probably would like to get out of Shaq’s shadow.

So what do you believe? Until Kobe resigns I think anything is possible.
 

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Yuma, you know that NJ is over the cap right. There is no way they can "lure" duncan to NJ. For someone who claims to read so many sports sites a day I would think you would realize this :D

Also seven, do not forget that TMAC has an opt out clause in 2004 as well. If you want to look at something interesting....couldnt Jerry West have obtained Mike Miller (tracey's best friend) to use another bargaining chip to lure TMAC away from Orlando? I mean tracey has said again and again if he doesn't get help soon he will look elsewhere, he wants to win. Similiar to the Garnett situation IMO. I mean west was very very persistant in getting miller, when there were other players he could have tried to get, possibly cheaper.
 

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