Can Gorin Play Tackle for us?

[D-Dogg]

Is he a legit stopgap? He played for the Pats, in Superbowl years.

Why didn't he get PT last season? Can he this year? Anyone know anything on the guy?

Does Grimm like him? Could he start for us if we don't get another tackle in the draft or FA?

 

[football karma]

As I posted earlier -- Gorin played tackle on a SB caliber team, and on an offensive line that was hardly filled with pro-bowl or even notable players.

Ross played on a 15-1 caliber team --

how did those teams make it work?

 

[MadCardDisease]

I am more hopeful that Ross can return to being sucessful under Grimm more than Gorin.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Coaching

 

[Pariah]

I think we have an unknown quantity in Gorin. We can keep our fingers crossed.

Ross is a RT and will get eaten alive by the speed rushers on the left side, IMO.

 

[AntSports Steve]

Both NEP and PIT realized that Gorin and Ross were their weaks OL and let them go for a reason. To improve. Both got replaced by much better players. Both should be depth guys. Neither should start.

Before the L. Davis thing, I was thinking that Ross makes way too much money for a backup and would be cut this year. Now, the team can't cut him as there is nothing else on the roster.

 

[football karma]

Both NEP and PIT realized that Gorin and Ross were their weaks OL and let them go for a reason. To improve. Both got replaced by much better players. Both should be depth guys. Neither should start.

Before the L. Davis thing, I was thinking that Ross makes way too much money for a backup and would be cut this year. Now, the team can't cut him as there is nothing else on the roster.

I hear what you are saying -- but it still doesnt change the fact that both played on playoff caliber teams with very efficient offenses --

they may have been the weak link, but it sure didnt seem to hold the team or the offense back that much

 

[jefftheshark]

Both NEP and PIT realized that Gorin and Ross were their weaks OL and let them go for a reason. To improve. Both got replaced by much better players. Both should be depth guys. Neither should start.

Before the L. Davis thing, I was thinking that Ross makes way too much money for a backup and would be cut this year. Now, the team can't cut him as there is nothing else on the roster.

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

Other teams let their players leave during free agency because they think that they are "weak". Yet we get mad at the FO when they do not jump to sign these free agents.



I guess this makes as much sense as having a meltdown because the FO spent all the money we needed to sign free agents on the same day the FO signs 2 free agents (if Gandy signs as rumored).



The Shark

 

[PJ1]

I think we have an unknown quantity in Gorin. We can keep our fingers crossed.

Ross is a RT and will get eaten alive by the speed rushers on the left side, IMO.

Agree on Gorin. Don't really believe he was given a chance. He allowed one sack in preseason and that was it for him.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Agree on Gorin. Don't really believe he was given a chance. He allowed one sack in preseason and that was it for him.

Yep .. I would have like to have seen Gorin get more playing time last year so we know more what we have ..

 

[Gambit]

I don't know much, but I do know that chemistry in the O-line is one of the most important things. Guys with lesser talent can play extremely well once they get used to each other and learn how to complement each others' abilities. Maybe he gelled with the other guys in the glory days, and just needs that to be good again.

 

[perivolaki]

Why didn't he get PT last season? Can he this year? Anyone know anything on the guy?

There is a school of thought that he didn't play because he was traded for a conditional pick. It was a 7th rounder if he didn't make the team and a 6th rounder if he was on the opening day roster which he was. After that the more he played the higher the pick. He never played a down during the regular season.

I can't imagine why he didn't even get a look during the season except for the team not wanting to give away a higher draft pick. This makes some sense because he was good enough to make the team but they never played him during the year so either they made a mistake keeping him on the roster or they didn't want to give up a higher draft pick and they knew if they played him he would be one of the 5 best lineman we had and would continue to play every week.

I don't know how high the draft pick could have gone if he played in every game but it surely would have been higher. It wouldn't surprise me to see him starting at tackle next year.

 

[ajcardfan]

There is a school of thought that he didn't play because he was traded for a conditional pick. It was a 7th rounder if he didn't make the team and a 6th rounder if he was on the opening day roster which he was. After that the more he played the higher the pick. He never played a down during the regular season.

That's wrong though. The only condition was for the 6th rounder. He could've taken 1,000 snaps, it wouldn't have cost us any more.

 

[perivolaki]

Then why didn't he play? There was a time during the season when they were begging for someone to play right tackle and they never even gave him a chance. They went through every player on the bench but they didn't get one regular season snap from the guy. How can you go from playing a lot on the Pat's and not even getting a snap on the Cards. Something just doesn't add up.

 

[Duckjake]

Then why didn't he play? There was a time during the season when they were begging for someone to play right tackle and they never even gave him a chance. They went through every player on the bench but they didn't get one regular season snap from the guy. How can you go from playing a lot on the Pat's and not even getting a snap on the Cards. Something just doesn't add up.

Blame it on Denny Green. With the exception of how Leonard Davis played last year everything is his fault.

 

[ajcardfan]

Blame it on Denny Green. With the exception of how Leonard Davis played last year everything is his fault.

Green was so busy calling the defense for Pendergast, and personally taking over coaching Rackers, he forgot Gorin was on the team.

 

[az jam]

Both NEP and PIT realized that Gorin and Ross were their weaks OL and let them go for a reason. To improve. Both got replaced by much better players. Both should be depth guys. Neither should start.

Before the L. Davis thing, I was thinking that Ross makes way too much money for a backup and would be cut this year. Now, the team can't cut him as there is nothing else on the roster.

Ross was not let go. He was an unrestricted free agent whom the Cards gave a very good contract. Pittsburgh has a reputation of being very frugal and rarely resigning their free agents. However, as we all know he has done poorly with the Cards. Can Grimm work him back to a starter's role

 

[AZCB34]

Can Gorin be a stopgap? I would assume he could otherwise he wouldn't even be considered for a backup position which in essence is nothing more than a stopgap position on the roster.

Coaching, for alot of players, will be key as will Gorin's desire.

The question is, will he get better coaching with Grimm than he did with Loney, who I happen to think did a pretty good job as the OL started to round out pretty well.)? On that score I am not sure. Grimm seems to get alot of props for his coaching but I have never really understood it.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

Other teams let their players leave during free agency because they think that they are "weak". Yet we get mad at the FO when they do not jump to sign these free agents.



I guess this makes as much sense as having a meltdown because the FO spent all the money we needed to sign free agents on the same day the FO signs 2 free agents (if Gandy signs as rumored).



The Shark

No. I think it sometimes we miss that fact that all this "bad player good player" is relative from team to team.

What is really sad is that Ross came from Pittsburg as one of there weaker offense linemen.

When he got to AZ he became one of our better offensive linemen.

WHY? Cause the linemen we had here in AZ sucked real bad, and an average player like Ross is an upgrade. It is not a fix to the problem it just makes the problem not as bad.

You gotta take what you can get sometimes.

 

[Evil Ash]

Gorin fits into Grimm's scheme because his strength is run blocking. His pass blocking is what made him ride the pine last year (completely whiffing on a block in the preseason game in Denver and getting Leinart hurt in the process)

 

[perivolaki]

Gorin fits into Grimm's scheme because his strength is run blocking. His pass blocking is what made him ride the pine last year (completely whiffing on a block in the preseason game in Denver and getting Leinart hurt in the process)

I remember him wiffing the block but if that was the criteria for never seeing the field again Stepanovich would never have started half the season.

Thats what was so frustrating, Step got enough rope to hang an army and Gorin makes one mistake and he never sees the field again.

 

[PrescottLooie]

I agree Perivolaki, if you recall the same thing happened with our CB Green. DG seemed to have different performance standards for each player.