Can someone explain the fascination with these players?

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Roderick Hood - 5 career INTs, but 0 last season and only 3 passes defensed before he was benched after 10 games. Can anyone name a former Eagles cornerback that has gone on to success anywhere else?

Terrence Holt - Has two complete seasons in his first four. Lindy's NFL Preview for him read that he "will have to make a step up if he expects to retain the starting free safety job." Started on one of the shabbiest defenses in the NFL and hasn't made one memorable play his entire career.

I guess I just don't get it. Is it because they sound familiar?
 

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Roderick Hood - 5 career INTs, but 0 last season and only 3 passes defensed before he was benched after 10 games. Can anyone name a former Eagles cornerback that has gone on to success anywhere else?

Terrence Holt - Has two complete seasons in his first four. Lindy's NFL Preview for him read that he "will have to make a step up if he expects to retain the starting free safety job." Started on one of the shabbiest defenses in the NFL and hasn't made one memorable play his entire career.

I guess I just don't get it. Is it because they sound familiar?

Couldnt agree more, Id much rather have AF back there with AW. But hey we gotta spend money on some of the bums the cards are interviewing. This is the worst FA ive seen in some time. At least in past years we have players come in that would be an upgrade. Hard to sign depth when you dont have starters.
 

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Roderick Hood - 5 career INTs, but 0 last season and only 3 passes defensed before he was benched after 10 games. Can anyone name a former Eagles cornerback that has gone on to success anywhere else?

Terrence Holt - Has two complete seasons in his first four. Lindy's NFL Preview for him read that he "will have to make a step up if he expects to retain the starting free safety job." Started on one of the shabbiest defenses in the NFL and hasn't made one memorable play his entire career.

I guess I just don't get it. Is it because they sound familiar?

Holt is a body, but we need a body at FS. Hood could surprise. he was the nickel back in Philly with Shepard and Brown. I think he was benched after Shepard returned to the lineup from an injury. He has good size and speed. Although he is not a Clements, he could start on this team and is a step up from Macklin. He also returned kicks, although he was not a world beater doing it. He's a hungry, young type players. He's exactly the type of depth the team seems to want, and with Green and Rolle starting, he would add some depth or push Green back to the nickel.
 

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Looks like we are going to have to try and pull a fast one in the draft. they read the card for the 5th pick in the 2007th NFL draft the Arizona Cardinals select Joe Thomas/LeRon Landry.........
 

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From what I seen of Hood, he's got very respectable shutdown skills and is a fairly good cover man. He may be no Champ Bailey, but at this point, I'd like to say he is what Rolle SHOULD be.
 
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From what I seen of Hood, he's got very respectable shutdown skills and is a fairly good cover man. He may be no Champ Bailey, but at this point, I'd like to say he is what Rolle SHOULD be.

How much have you really seen of him, then? Do you really think that the Eagles--the most personnel savvy organization in the NFL including the New England Patriots--are going to let a player with "very respectable shutdown skills" just leave?

That's what I don't get. The Eagles never let a player with actual value leave.

I don't really mind Holt, but I don't really get the enthusiasm for him ("As long as we get Holt and [random crappy OT who's not as good as Davis] free agency will be fine"). I'd rather have Kaevisarharn (sp) or Hamlin. I just don't see why our first calls are to mediocre players. Is it because Graves is fed up with having players and agents laugh into the phone?
 

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How much have you really seen of him, then? Do you really think that the Eagles--the most personnel savvy organization in the NFL including the New England Patriots--are going to let a player with "very respectable shutdown skills" just leave?

That's what I don't get. The Eagles never let a player with actual value leave.

I don't really mind Holt, but I don't really get the enthusiasm for him ("As long as we get Holt and [random crappy OT who's not as good as Davis] free agency will be fine"). I'd rather have Kaevisarharn (sp) or Hamlin. I just don't see why our first calls are to mediocre players. Is it because Graves is fed up with having players and agents laugh into the phone?

Why would they laugh into the phone?
 

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How much have you really seen of him, then? Do you really think that the Eagles--the most personnel savvy organization in the NFL including the New England Patriots--are going to let a player with "very respectable shutdown skills" just leave?

Well, being the only two options I had in PA when I lived there was the Steelers or Eagles, and had some ties to Philadelphia from growing up in Jersey, I'd say I saw a fair amount of Eagle games.

And lest ye forget, the Eagles signed Brown and Sheppard to long term deals, making Hood the odd man out.

Don't twist it to where I said the guy is a top 10 CB.. He's not. However, he's still got plenty of room for growth and will only get better from here.
 
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How much have you really seen of him, then? Do you really think that the Eagles--the most personnel savvy organization in the NFL including the New England Patriots--are going to let a player with "very respectable shutdown skills" just leave?

That's what I don't get. The Eagles never let a player with actual value leave.

Because it would 1) cost too much to resign him and 2) they have a GRIP of money tied up in their secondary with dawkins, Brown and Shepard. The same line of thinking would mean Michael Lewis sucks because they let him leave, and he's been a pro bowl player recently. You just can't tie up that much salary in one part of your team.

Hood is at WORST as good as our young guys, and more than likely starting next year if we sign him. He can play, and be solid. He also has the added bonus of being young and just entering his prime. There is room to improve.
 

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Since I haven't watched or paid much attention to either I have 2 questions...

1) Is Hood an upgrade over Macklin?

2) Is Holt an upgrade over Griffith?

Oh and 1 last question What about that glaring hole at OT? Are we planning to address that sometime or are just hoping the draft falls our way? How about OLB?????

I don't care who we sign as long as we get quality starters at FS, OT and OLB at some point this offseason--we MAY get lucky and fill 2 of those spots in the draft but the draft would be better if we had starters already in place.
 

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Since I haven't watched or paid much attention to either I have 2 questions...

1) Is Hood an upgrade over Macklin?

Macklin's a respectable CB, but I'd say Hood's got the higher ceiling.

2) Is Holt an upgrade over Griffith?

In terms of coverage, yes.. He's not the hitter Griffith is, but he's younger. That sort of cancels eachother out.

Oh and 1 last question What about that glaring hole at OT? Are we planning to address that sometime or are just hoping the draft falls our way? How about OLB?????

There's a plan. I think they're waiting to see what happens in the opening weekend of signings, then planning accordingly.
 

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How much have you really seen of him, then? Do you really think that the Eagles--the most personnel savvy organization in the NFL including the New England Patriots--are going to let a player with "very respectable shutdown skills" just leave?

That's what I don't get. The Eagles never let a player with actual value leave.

I don't really mind Holt, but I don't really get the enthusiasm for him ("As long as we get Holt and [random crappy OT who's not as good as Davis] free agency will be fine"). I'd rather have Kaevisarharn (sp) or Hamlin. I just don't see why our first calls are to mediocre players. Is it because Graves is fed up with having players and agents laugh into the phone?

Hood didn't want to re-sign with the Eagles, because he's in the same situation like BJ.

Stuck behind two Pro-Bowler.
Arguably the best #3 in the league
Wants a chance to start.
Should become a solid #2 CB based on his play.
Hood is so good a #3 that the Eagles went with only 4 CBs on the roster. (like us only having 4 WRs)

He's not Clement, but he's a young #2 CB.

I agree that Kaevisarharn is the better option at FS.

S: Wilson, Kaevisarharn, Francisco, Brewer
CB: Rolle, Green, Hood, Hunter/Ware

Throw in a CB in the draft and the secondary should be solid.
 

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There's a plan. I think they're waiting to see what happens in the opening weekend of signings, then planning accordingly.

Nothing like waiting for everyone else to act, instead of being aggresive like Whiz said he was going to be. Is that actually a plan? What are they goin to plan after this weekend, what other 3rd stringers they are going to invite here?
 

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Roderick Hood

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Hood has a good combination of athletic ability and speed. He has good overall cover skills and is very smooth in all his movements. He has good feet, is fluid in his hips and can turn and run with most receivers in the league. He has good change-of-direction skills.

He does not have a lot of wasted motion, nor does he lose speed in transition, and he has a good burst to the ball. He has the closing speed to make up for being out of position or making mistakes.

He has good man-to-man cover skills, and he does a great job of planting and driving to the ball. He did an excellent job in press coverage. He was in the receiver's hip pocket and did a great job of mirroring his route. He is not a real physical player, but he is very competitive.

He will go after the ball and will challenge the receiver. He does a good job in run support, is not afraid to mix it up and is a decent open-field tackler. He will wrap up on contact, but he is not going to punish receivers or running backs.

He is an excellent special teams player. He does a super job on cover teams and as a kickoff return specialist.

Overall, Hood does not have a lot of weaknesses.

He is young and should only get better with more playing time.
 

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I'll confess to never hearing of t he DB from Cincy (Kaesviharn). I looked up his stats & he apparently had 6 interceptions and 4 sacks last season. I'll drink to that.

Also - the decision not to tender Bergin suggests that the Cardinals will take a more serious than usual run at Reggie Kelly.
 

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I don't really mind Holt, but I don't really get the enthusiasm for him ("As long as we get Holt and [random crappy OT who's not as good as Davis] free agency will be fine"). I'd rather have Kaevisarharn (sp) or Hamlin. I just don't see why our first calls are to mediocre players. Is it because Graves is fed up with having players and agents laugh into the phone?

I would rather have Hamlin...no doubt but reality is our biggest need is oline and oline and oline.

Holt is not a star but he is a young guy and a solid starter at FS and would compliment AW. In my mind, the justification is that Holt is not going back to Det because of Bullocks, he would fill a need for us, he will not command top dollars, and he would enjoy playing against his brother twice per year.

If he gets top dollar offers than I would lose interest.
 

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Roderick Hood - 5 career INTs, but 0 last season and only 3 passes defensed before he was benched after 10 games. Can anyone name a former Eagles cornerback that has gone on to success anywhere else?

Again...I want a starter at CB and would love to have Smoot. But since he apparantly having sex with women on a private boat, he is not allowed to play for a team that has had 1 non-losing season in 20 years.

If they sign a guy like Hood, they are basically saying that Rolle and Green are the starters and Hood is the nickel. We would be a stronger team if they signed Smoot but what do I know?
 

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Again...I want a starter at CB and would love to have Smoot. But since he apparantly having sex with women on a private boat, he is not allowed to play for a team that has had 1 non-losing season in 20 years.

If they sign a guy like Hood, they are basically saying that Rolle and Green are the starters and Hood is the nickel. We would be a stronger team if they signed Smoot but what do I know?

SMoot is a head case who was injured more than he was healtrhy since leaving Washington. I will always remember him for doing 1 rep (that's not a typo) at the combine when he was drafted. Last year he was replaced by a rookie which prompted him to say he "wasn't anybody's nickel back", but he was getting toasted when playing. So far he is living off of the great year he had in Washington more than performance. Sure, he's decent, but he's not the shut-down guy everyone seems to perceive.
 

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How much have you really seen of him, then? Do you really think that the Eagles--the most personnel savvy organization in the NFL including the New England Patriots--are going to let a player with "very respectable shutdown skills" just leave?

That's what I don't get. The Eagles never let a player with actual value leave.

So does Michael Lewis have little value? I haven't seen him play much.
 

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SMoot is a head case who was injured more than he was healtrhy since leaving Washington.

What is a head case? Crazy?

He is cocky and a trash talker...I like that in a CB.

At his best, he is better than any of our current CB's are playing.
 

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K9 - Sometimes a team's scouting dept. watching tape sees stuff that may not be apparent in the stats or highlight reels of a particular team.

Sometimes a guy who lacks production is playing behind a Pro Bowl player or he's misused in a different scheme. Or he's being asked to do stuff he'd ordinarily not have to do in order to compliment other position players in his unit (this can wreak havoc on pick or sack totals).

One key in assessing free agent talent has to do with the player's pure physical attributes (i.e. is he fast enough? Is he durable enough? Is he aggressive enough? Is he an effort player? Is he poised? Should he physically be able to do what the Cardinals would ask him to do?

There may be things our scouts see that we fans don't see. (Note - I'll admit it - I never heard of that dude named Kaesviharn (I keep forgetting his name and am tempted to refer to him as "Kevorkian").

Today on SIRIUS radio, a fan from KC called in asking why certain teams were blowing the budget on one or two guys instead of loading up on solid citizens who can fill out the depth on their rosters. First guy he mentioned as an example - Rod Hood.
 
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So does Michael Lewis have little value? I haven't seen him play much.

He was benched early in the season for Sean Constidine. The pass rush for the Eagles is so good that it makes everyone in their secondary seem better than they are. In reality, Lito Sheppard and his partner aren't all that great, but the creative defensive scheme they play in gives them lots of opportunities to make plays.
 

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What is a head case? Crazy?

He is cocky and a trash talker...I like that in a CB.

At his best, he is better than any of our current CB's are playing.

And he hasn't been at his best in 3 years. Not saying he isn't a solid player. I'm saying he isn't a shutdown guy. And that cockiness results in him THINKING he should be paid like one.
 

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And he hasn't been at his best in 3 years. Not saying he isn't a solid player. I'm saying he isn't a shutdown guy. And that cockiness results in him THINKING he should be paid like one.

Just for the record I don't want to pay him like Clements or Bailey...because he is not.

Smoot should avg 5m/yr...in that area? I think that is fair.

Washington wants him back and is rumored to be cutting Shawn Springs if he is signed...Smoot will be a starter in Wash.
 
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