Can we trade down and still get Levi Brown? IMO yes we can.

[RugbyMuffin]

How about this for a scenario ?

OAK - Russel
DET - Thomas
CLE - Quinn
TB - C.Johnson
ATL - Landry
WAS - Branch or if Chicago gets this spot they will pick A.Peterson
MIN - G.Adams
ARZ - L.Brown

And we would pick up at least one of Atlanta's 2nd round picks.

That is a possibility.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

And yet another situation! I don't know what would happen if JeMarcus Russell started dropping like a rock:

If Rusell drops:

OAK - C.Johnson
DET - J.Thomas
CLE - B.Quinn
TB - ???
ARZ - ???
WAS - ??? --> a chance this will be Chicago if Briggs is traded.
MIN - Branch or G.Adams
ATL - ???

If Russell drops then I think this draft will start getting out of control. Tampa Bay, Arizona, Washington, and Chicago all could end up trading down with the likes of Russell, and Peterson still on the board. But with that being said if A.Peterson is there at #6 and Chicago trades with Washington you can bet Chicago will draft Peterson.

This draft is crazy.

 

[az jam]

How about this for a scenario ?

OAK - Russel
DET - Thomas
CLE - Quinn
TB - C.Johnson
ATL - Landry
WAS - Branch or if Chicago gets this spot they will pick A.Peterson
MIN - G.Adams
ARZ - L.Brown

And we would pick up at least one of Atlanta's 2nd round picks.

That is a possibility.

I agree but think if we pick lower than 8th, he could be gone. Would someone move up to get him at #7 in a trade with the Vikes??

 

[Southpaw]

I agree but think if we pick lower than 8th, he could be gone. Would someone move up to get him at #7 in a trade with the Vikes??

If that happens

Then move down further and grab Joe Staley.

P.S. If I had to temper my opinion on Brown, it is #1 that he played for Penn State in a low octane offense and he turns it on and off. When he showed up he was very good.

Joe Staley on the other hand is growing and improving. Converted TE agaility.

 

[Second Deck]

If the draft went this way I would stay at 5 and take Peterson. I think he is to good to pass on. I also love Edge , but would love to see an Edge, Peterson attack.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

i read somewhere that the scuttlebut has Atlanta trying to move up in the top 2 to get Calvin Johnson.They could use their #1 and both #2's to make that move, plus a little more if needed.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If the draft went this way I would stay at 5 and take Peterson. I think he is to good to pass on. I also love Edge , but would love to see an Edge, Peterson attack.

How would that be an attack if they cannot get past the line of scrimmage ?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

i read somewhere that the scuttlebut has Atlanta trying to move up in the top 2 to get Calvin Johnson.They could use their #1 and both #2's to make that move, plus a little more if needed.

That is IF the Raiders don't take him.

This draft has layers upon layers of scenarios

 

[devilalum]

You can't trade down for a specific player.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I'd rather take the rumored PIT trade and get Starks then pick Staley at #15 and then get Beason with our pick in the second and then a PR/KR with the PIT 2nd we get....

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I agree but think if we pick lower than 8th, he could be gone. Would someone move up to get him at #7 in a trade with the Vikes??

I see him gone to Miami if we didn't pick him at #8 ... the only team I see trading up to get him would be Miami .. so we trade down and miss out on both tackles ..???

 

[Southpaw]

i read somewhere that the scuttlebut has Atlanta trying to move up in the top 2 to get Calvin Johnson.They could use their #1 and both #2's to make that move, plus a little more if needed.

I can't see any good reason for Oakland/Detroit to not jump on that deal. That would make Jimmy Johnson salivate. Trdaing a #1 for a 1st ( #8 ) and 2 #2s is a GM's birthday party.

Poor Calvin Johnson. First he has to suffer with Reggie Ball now the possibility of another faux QB.

 

[Southpaw]

I'd rather take the rumored PIT trade and get Starks then pick Staley at #15 and then get Beason with our pick in the second and then a PR/KR with the PIT 2nd we get....

What is the PIT trade?

Doesn't look like Beason will be available in 2nd round. New England is all over him at #24 and 15 teams have asked for interviews.

 

[seesred]

One other thing that ould happen is a draft and trade at number 5 Draft Thomas if he is there and work the phones seeking out the highest bidder. IMO I would love Brown if we could move down , I've been writing this since we started talking about the draft.

Broiwn is rated by most experts two slots down from Thomas. They are both big fast and overpowering. 2 Slots the differences can't be that much and who knows who will be better long term ( See Davis). Heck the best LT in this draft might be in the second round. By trading spots and taking Brown two things happen imediatly,

Number 1 he doesn't cost as much as Thomas
Nymber 2 we have more picks.

It should be interesting on April 28th!

GBR
40

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I see him gone to Miami if we didn't pick him at #8 ... the only team I see trading up to get him would be Miami .. so we trade down and miss out on both tackles ..???

But there is a chance we could trade spots with Miami. Miami taking either Quinn, or Russell. I think Brown would make it past Wash/Chi, Min., Atl.

 

[kerouac9]

Broiwn is rated by most experts two slots down from Thomas. They are both big fast and overpowering. 2 Slots the differences can't be that much and who knows who will be better long term ( See Davis). Heck the best LT in this draft might be in the second round. By trading spots and taking Brown two things happen imediatly,

Number 1 he doesn't cost as much as Thomas
Nymber 2 we have more picks.

What "experts" are you talking about? TheHuddleReport.com has Thomas ranked 3rd in the draft, Brown 10th (which I think is a stretch). ESPN.com Scouts, Inc. has Thomas 2nd and Brown 11th. On his Big Board, Mel Kiper has Thomas #2 and Brown down at 10. If Thomas is available at #5 (which I really don't think is going to happen anyway), and the Cards pass on him to save money, I'm going to go out and buy a Wii so that I can throw the Wiimote through my TV screen.

 

[seesred]

USA today sports weekly has Brown ranked number 6.

Johnson
Russell
Thomas
Peterson
Quinn
Brown.

GBR
40

 

[kerouac9]

USA today sports weekly has Brown ranked number 6.

Johnson
Russell
Thomas
Peterson
Quinn
Brown.

GBR
40

So by "most experts" you mean "one guy that you read who supports your point." I just wanted to make sure I had that right.

 

[joeshmo]

And we would pick up at least one of Atlanta's 2nd round picks.

Highly doubtfull. They arent trading up into the top 3.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1295242&postcount=5

 

[joeshmo]

What "experts" are you talking about? TheHuddleReport.com has Thomas ranked 3rd in the draft, Brown 10th (which I think is a stretch). ESPN.com Scouts, Inc. has Thomas 2nd and Brown 11th. On his Big Board, Mel Kiper has Thomas #2 and Brown down at 10. If Thomas is available at #5 (which I really don't think is going to happen anyway), and the Cards pass on him to save money, I'm going to go out and buy a Wii so that I can throw the Wiimote through my TV screen.

Heck the other guys rankings on huddlereport has Brown as a 4th rounder type prospect.

 

[joeshmo]

USA today sports weekly has Brown ranked number 6.

Johnson
Russell
Thomas
Peterson
Quinn
Brown.

GBR
40

Just and indication of how small the OT market is. If Long or Baker were in the draft Brown would be in the 20's on their list, easily.

 

[Zeno]

How about this for a scenario ?

OAK - Russel
DET - Thomas
CLE - Quinn
TB - C.Johnson
ATL - Landry
WAS - Branch or if Chicago gets this spot they will pick A.Peterson
MIN - G.Adams
ARZ - L.Brown

And we would pick up at least one of Atlanta's 2nd round picks.

That is a possibility.

Chicago is not going to take a RB after just handing the starting RB spot to their first round pick from 2005.

 

[kerouac9]

Heck the other guys rankings on huddlereport has Brown as a 4th rounder type prospect.

Drew Boylhart? I love that guy. His profiles are great reading. I'm not sure I always agree with him, but I appreciate that he doesn't put hardly any weight on the Combine performances that seem to echo in a lot of the other scouts minds.

What worries me is that Drew really likes most of the "tackles" in this draft as guards. I don't get the impression that he likes anyone besides Thomas as actual OTs. But his OT rankings are kind of doubtful. Here's what he says about Thomas:

I don’t know why Joe is not interested in run blocking, but I can tell you this -- he certainly has the talent to do it. The fact is that Joe is an excellent pass blocking blind side LT. Isn’t that what it's all about? Jonathan Ogden (LT - Baltimore Ravens) has made a pretty good living at being a better pass blocker than a run blocker. In fact, Joe reminds me a lot of Jonathan Ogden. If Joe gets just a little more of a mean streak in him when he plays, he just might develop into a complete LT; however, right now Joe is a franchise LT. He is a Left Tackle that you build your offensive line around because of his pass blocking skills. Let’s be real! Who in their right mind is going to want a Left Tackle that is a better-run blocker than he is a pass blocker? Most of the time, the great run blocking college LT’s are shifted to the right side or into guard - but you never see a good pass blocking college LT shifted to another position at the NFL level. That’s because they are too hard to find. That being said, you also have to list Joe as a possible top ten pick in this draft. Of course, this is before the juniors declare and believe me when I say it – the LT from USC has a better all around game than Joe has and personally, I would rate him ahead of Joe. But that’s just crazy THR profile guy - the only guy out here that actually looks at films to profile players. What do I know?

Here's what he said about Robert Gallery:

Robert is a top five pick that may slip because of all the juniors that will come out. This will be a big mistake for the teams that pass on him. A shut down LT is as important to the offense as a shut down CB is to the defense. Look at the history of the Super Bowl. The team with the better LT usually wins the game. Look it up -- see for yourself. Robert has another problem. He does not flash at you on the field. He is so good that you stop looking at him. Even in the running game. He does not pancake players all over the place, that's because he keeps his feet and sometimes makes up to three blocks on one play. He is like a chauffeur of a limousine, quietly going about his job and letting others take the bow and the accolades. Draft him and you will never have to worry about what direction your offense is going in. He will drive it straight to the Super Bowl

But he hit a home run with Marcus McNeill:

Marcus has been a big disappointment this year and I think that all of his problems are because he is carrying too much weight. If he can’t control his weight in college, how will he be able to control it when you give him a million dollars? Maybe all of this is because he does have an injury and can’t work out. I don’t know! All I know is that this kid has Walter Jones-like talent and unless he shows different in his workouts and at the combine, he's lost himself a lot of money because of his inconsistent play this year. If he's played with an injury all year long, then I say draft him as soon as you can because even with an injury, he is one of the best pure LT’s in this draft. He is further along in his football maturity, techniques and overall play than the Ferguson kid; however, until I find out otherwise, I would have to list him behind Ferguson and put a yellow flag on him: proceed with caution. Marcus (Big Train) McNeill -- I hope someone can get him back on track.

 

[kerouac9]

Boylhart likes 6 other OTs ahead of Tony Ugoh or Levi Brown. Good times.

 

[Southpaw]

But there is a chance we could trade spots with Miami. Miami taking either Quinn, or Russell. I think Brown would make it past Wash/Chi, Min., Atl.

Miami seems more inclined to make the deal for Trent Green and get a QB from the less glamorous group of Kevin Kolb, Drew Stanton, Trent Edwards, John Beck, etc. with their 2nd pick.