Cap Space for all 32 Teams

[SECTION 11]

2004 Salary Cap Numbers
Rank Team Total Cap Room

1 Baltimore Ravens $54,080,000 $24,020,000
2 Philadelphia Eagles $55,300,000 $22,800,000
3 New Orleans Saints $55,500,000 $22,600,000
4 Minnesota Vikings $57,900,000 $20,200,000
5 Dallas Cowboys $59,400,000 $18,700,000
6 St. Louis Rams $60,500,000 $17,600,000
7 Arizona Cardinals $61,000,000 $17,100,000
8 Detroit Lions $63,500,000 $14,600,000
9 Carolina Panthers $65,100,000 $13,000,000
10 Houston Texans $66,000,000 $12,100,000
11 Seattle Seahawks $66,500,000 $11,600,000
12 Jacksonville Jaguars $67,700,000 $10,400,000
13 Chicago Bears $69,100,000 $9,000,000
14 Cincinnati Bengals $69,100,000 $9,000,000
15 Washington Redskins $69,500,000 $8,600,000
16 Kansas City Chiefs $69,800,000 $8,300,000
17 Buffalo Bills $70,600,000 $7,500,000
18 San Diego Chargers $72,000,000 $6,100,000
19 Atlanta Falcons $73,730,000 $4,370,000
20 New York Jets $74,600,000 $3,500,000
21 Green Bay Packers $74,700,000 $3,400,000
22 New York Giants $75,400,000 $2,700,000
23 Indianapolis Colts $76,300,000 $1,800,000
24 Oakland $76,740,000 $1,360,000
25 Cleveland Browns $76,800,000 $1,300,000
26 San Francisco 49ers $77,307,000 $793,000
27 New England Patriots $78,499,000 $-399,000
28 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $79,500,000 $-1,400,000
29 Denver Broncos $80,400,000 $-2,300,000
30 Pittsburgh Steelers $80,770,000 $-2,670,000
31 Miami Dolphins $87,580,000 $-9,480,000
32 Tennessee Titans $94,500,000 $-16,400,000

 

[AZCB34]

I am curious how reliable this info is. I have seen it elsewhere and I find it hard to believe after all the re-signings the Cards did that their available number would be so high...even if they were front loaded alot. Does this include all those re-signings?

Disclaimer: I am not a capologist so I could be way off...and I think we need a capologist on the board to keep all the contract stuff straight.

 

[EndZone]

To get an accurate feel you really have to add to that how many of their own free agents they have to resign...or how many are out there.

 

[40yearfan]

I sure would hate to be the Titans cap manager this year. I wonder if they had my ex-wife manage it for them last year.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by 40yearfan
I sure would hate to be the Titans cap manager this year. I wonder if they had my ex-wife manage it for them last year.

They added zero, nada, none, zilch free agents last year. Turned out pretty good for them dont ya think?

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by 40yearfan
I sure would hate to be the Titans cap manager this year. I wonder if they had my ex-wife manage it for them last year.

I also laughed out loud at the scratch my ass and try to find the bathroom in the morning post on the other thread.

Thanks for the levity.

 

[Cardiac]

Skorp

Just curious is these cap numbers change your opinion of the shape the Eagles are in. Your anual break down of where teams will finish this year had the Eagles in cap hell. It looks like quite the opposite at this point.

I ask this because it seems that RG is modeling the Cards cap mgmt strategy after the Eagles front office.

Identify young players on your team with lots of potential and get them re-signed before the initial contract with the team expires. Sometimes they do this with 2 or more years remaining on the existing contract.

They also look for players with a ton of upside in FA and sign them before they truly blossom and become very expensive.

They avoid older players like the plague unless they are one year deals to fill a hole for that year, also very reasonably priced.

They also don't re-sign existing players once they get near 30yrs old, at least to long term contracts.

This all leads up to what they will do in FA this year. I worry about that because they seem to be in the market for the same type players as the Cards are.

They won't re-sign Vincent and most likely Taylor. This means they will go after a top notch CB in FA.

They need to add a player or two to the D-line.

If Reid gets over his apperant aversion to WR talent they will go after a vet WR.

They have some other wants and needs that shouldn't impact the Cards but I can see them stealing a player or three that we want.

They are on most players wish list for teams they like to play for and they have an abundance of $ to get them.

 

[JeffGollin]

Out of the $17 mil will have to come Rookie Pool dollars and free agents left to be signed. FoxSportsAZ put up a list of 6 unsigned Cardinal UFA's (including Barrett and Lucas) and suggested that Denny might decide not to sign any of them.

More realistically, I think we'll probably want to sign 2 -3 players from that list.

So by the time you subtract our own signees and the rooks, we figure to be closer to $10 mil than $17 mil.

And after that, something happens each year to make the total shrink to an even smaller level (like $6 - $8 Mil). I figure we should have enough money to sign a couple of high profile free agents and a maybe 2 or 3 other less expensive guys. After that, we'd have to release guys already under contract to create more cap room (but that's not outside the realm).

 

[spanky1]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
Out of the $17 mil will have to come Rookie Pool dollars and free agents left to be signed. FoxSportsAZ put up a list of 6 unsigned Cardinal UFA's (including Barrett and Lucas) and suggested that Denny might decide not to sign any of them.

More realistically, I think we'll probably want to sign 2 -3 players from that list.

So by the time you subtract our own signees and the rooks, we figure to be closer to $10 mil than $17 mil.

And after that, something happens each year to make the total shrink to an even smaller level (like $6 - $8 Mil). I figure we should have enough money to sign a couple of high profile free agents and a maybe 2 or 3 other less expensive guys. After that, we'd have to release guys already under contract to create more cap room (but that's not outside the realm).

Jeff,

I don't think that we'll try and sign any of our own FA's either. But I also think you are being optomistic regarding our ability to sign 2 high profile FA's and two-three lesser profile FA's. My guess is two FA signings at the Robaire Smith/Antoine Winfield level will eat up all we have. But these two signings alone would be just dandy with me.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
Out of the $17 mil will have to come Rookie Pool dollars and free agents left to be signed. FoxSportsAZ put up a list of 6 unsigned Cardinal UFA's (including Barrett and Lucas) and suggested that Denny might decide not to sign any of them.

More realistically, I think we'll probably want to sign 2 -3 players from that list.

So by the time you subtract our own signees and the rooks, we figure to be closer to $10 mil than $17 mil.

And after that, something happens each year to make the total shrink to an even smaller level (like $6 - $8 Mil). I figure we should have enough money to sign a couple of high profile free agents and a maybe 2 or 3 other less expensive guys. After that, we'd have to release guys already under contract to create more cap room (but that's not outside the realm).

I think 10-12 million is about right after signing 2-3 more of our remaining players not yet under contract and taking the Rookie pool into account.

Now for the other teams, most of them haven't started resigned any of their free agents yet. So their cap dollars will quickly shrink as that begins to happen.

You have to love what the Eagles have done with regards to the cap. They should be in the hunt again next year!

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
I think 10-12 million is about right after signing 2-3 more of our remaining players not yet under contract and taking the Rookie pool into account.

Now for the other teams, most of them haven't started resigned any of their free agents yet. So their cap dollars will quickly shrink as that begins to happen.

You have to love what the Eagles have done with regards to the cap. They should be in the hunt again next year!

Folks you are missing the point. How many SBs have the Eagles won?

This team is on the way down due to their cap frugalness. Actually this year they were outplayed in most games they won on luck. Not signing Trotter probably cost them a SB trip. The Eagles are an example of what not to do.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by vikesfan
Folks you are missing the point. How many SBs have the Eagles won?

This team is on the way down due to their cap frugalness. Actually this year they were outplayed in most games they won on luck. Not signing Trotter probably cost them a SB trip. The Eagles are an example of what not to do.

Wrong Wrong Wrong!!!

Luck doesn't get you to the NFC Championship game 3 years in a row. They are a well coached team and they have solid depth. With everyone healthy next year and a FA WR pickup they will again be a force in the playoffs.

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by MadCardDisease
Wrong Wrong Wrong!!!

Luck doesn't get you to the NFC Championship game 3 years in a row. They are a well coached team and they have solid depth. With everyone healthy next year and a FA WR pickup they will again be a force in the playoffs.

Again it is about winning a SB not being a force in the playoffs.
They had some good drafts they had good coaching and they signed some good FAs eg. Barber and the Eagles were a legit team. Then they decided to let their talent go.

Trotter would have stopped the WR who got the game winning TD in the TB game. That cost them a SB trip.

This year they were outplayed in almost every game. Look at the GB GB gave them that game. 4 and 25 Favre's int etc.


They are going to lose both starting CBs this year in addition to all their other losses. Adding a FA WR will turn the team around?

They have a great coach and some great leadership in McNab but that can only take you so far.

Unless they blow the bank and sign many good FAs at key positions not just WR the Eagles will not win be winning a SB. Gibbs is in WASH an dhe will be proactive. Coughlin is a decent coach. And Parcells gets another year. I think the Eagles are in real trouble UNLESS they change their FA approach.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Originally posted by vikesfan
Again it is about winning a SB not being a force in the playoffs.
They had some good drafts they had good coaching and they signed some good FAs eg. Barber and the Eagles were a legit team. Then they decided to let their talent go.

Trotter would have stopped the WR who got the game winning TD in the TB game. That cost them a SB trip.

This year they were outplayed in almost every game. Look at the GB GB gave them that game. 4 and 25 Favre's int etc.


They are going to lose both starting CBs this year in addition to all their other losses. Adding a FA WR will turn the team around?

They have a great coach and some great leadership in McNab but that can only take you so far.

Unless they blow the bank and sign many good FAs at key positions not just WR the Eagles will not win be winning a SB. Gibbs is in WASH an dhe will be proactive. Coughlin is a decent coach. And Parcells gets another year. I think the Eagles are in real trouble UNLESS they change their FA approach.

I love their Free Agent approach. Keep your young core players and build your team around them. Then dump the overpriced aging veterans when they are at the end of their career.

Plus you don't know that Trotter would have made that play. That's purely spectulative. What you do know is that that the Eagles have had a legit shot at going to the superbowl 3 years in a row.

 

[Skkorpion]

Cardiac:

In support of your position on the Eagles:

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=9290

But color it any way you want, without Taylor and Vincent in the secondary, this is a different team that will give up more points and put even more pressure on McNabb to produce.

 

[Redheart]

Originally posted by Skkorpion
Cardiac:

In support of your position on the Eagles:

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=9290

But color it any way you want, without Taylor and Vincent in the secondary, this is a different team that will give up more points and put even more pressure on McNabb to produce.

I think you also have to point out that Dawkins was out most of the year and JUST made it back at the start of the play-offs; still not 100%. He should be good to go next year. Dawkins is arguably one of the best safeties in the league.

 

[AntSports Steve]

I like the Eagles approach. Superbowl? What's that?

After what 12 years of season tickets, I would love to have the Cards in the playoffs for several years in a row.

I keep dreaming for the "Home Playoff Game", someday before I die. And I'm only 41.

I think the Eagles will either resign one of their CB or pickup one in FA so they should be fine. They have enough money to fill the holes and then draft what they need. But, last year, they did end the year with money that they could have put towards bringing better talent.

I'll bet they keep with the same formula but try to bring in one extra better player (Owens?) to try and make it this year.

Right now, I'm just hoping that the Cards stop looking like a laughing stock and a free win to the rest of the league.

It would sure be nice to win more often.

 

[vikesfan]

Trotter at least would have had a shot at making the play and I wasn't the only one who saw that. The AGING VETERAN FA they signed to replace TROTTER had no shot.

Dude I have no idea why you keep saying they kept young players - Trotter and Barber are young! And they let them go.

The Eagles went cheap and they blew it. They let good young players go. Now instead of being a couple FAs away from a SB win they are several FAs away. They got lucky this year. And unless they change their approach they will not make the playoffs next year and if they do they won't make it even to the NFC final.

They had a good youngish team and they blew it. Look what TB and NE did they added many quality proven FAs to their solid youngish team and WON sbs.

There is such a thing as a window of opportunity and unless they spend that cap on quality FAs this year their window will be closed.
They blew it. Ask Philly fans what they think about what the Eagles have been doing.

(2) Steve I guess different teams have different standards. Cards fan hope for 1 home playoff game. Teams like the Vikings are aiming for SB wins and that means playoff game every year. I know that is what DG is aiming for.

 

[Cardiac]

Sorry the reply is so late, friggin work getting in the way..

Skorp, thanks for the link. The Eagles will use their cap space to pick up a younger quality CB, they say goodbye to Vincent. Taylor may still be re-signed for the right price.

The Eagles had a slew of injuries last year and still made it to the NFC championship game, for the third straight year. I agree with Steve, let's worry about the SB after this team has won some games in the playoffs.

Vikesfan - There are several different philosophies in how to be successful in the NFL. Disagree with what the Eagles have done all you want but they have been more successful than 90% of the teams in the NFL the past 3 years.

Trotter was and is a problem child. He free lances to much and doesn't have the great speed you seem to attribute him with. He wanted WAY TOO MUCH $ for what he produces on the field. The Eagles tried to work with him but he went insane with his demands. In steps Snyder the idiot and once again over pays for a FA. It seems Trotter might be on the chopping block this season and we can measure the success of his signing for the Redskins by the number of playoff appearances by this team.....zero.

Barber was a FA acquisition by the Eagles the prior year and played great. He wanted way too much money and the Chiefs over paid for him. Look at how well their Defense played last year. Throw in the over rated Holliday and you still have a D that sucked.

The Eagles picked up quality replacements in Simueno sp? and Webster ?(LB FA form GB). Both played well, especially for the salaries. Kinda like what the Patriots do.

They were "lucky" to win those games because of Coaching and schemes.

Where Reid gets the most flack from Philly fans is the quality of WR's they have. The critisism is justified.

Let's wait until after this FA period and draft before we start writing the obituary for the Eagles.

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by Cardiac
Vikesfan - There are several different philosophies in how to be successful in the NFL. Disagree with what the Eagles have done all you want but they have been more successful than 90% of the teams in the NFL the past 3 years.

Correction.... The Eagles have been more successful than 100% of all other teams in the league.

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by BACH
Correction.... The Eagles have been more successful than 100% of all other teams in the league.

In total W/L's you are correct. Throw in SB appearances and then of course the answer is no. That's why I can't say they were the best.

 

[nationsrj]

I changed the list to sorted by amount over/under cap.

I assumed(with all that implies) that Oakland was not millions
under the cap.

Cap update
TEAM-BY-TEAM SALARY CAP UPDATE

Team Cap status
Tennessee Titans $17.5 million over
Miami Dolphins $10.5 million over
Denver Broncos $5.7 million over
Pittsburgh Steelers $4.7 million over
New England Patriots $4.6 million over
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $2.8 million over

San Francisco 49ers $205,000 under
Oakland Raiders $511,000 under
Green Bay Packers $1.1 million under
New York Jets $1.28 million under
Cleveland Browns $3.2 million under
New York Giants $3.2 million under
Kansas City Chiefs $3.8 million under
Atlanta Falcons $3.9 million under
Indianapolis Colts $4.2 million under
San Diego Chargers $4.4 million under
Washington Redskins $6.4 million under
Buffalo Bills $6.8 million under
Cincinnati Bengals $8.15 million under
Jacksonville Jaguars $9.3 million under
Houston Texans $10.4 million under
Seattle Seahawks $10.5 million under
Chicago Bears $11.3 million under
Carolina Panthers $12.5 million under
Detroit Lions $12.9 million under
St. Louis Rams $14 million under
Dallas Cowboys $15.5 million under
Arizona Cardinals $16.9 million under
Minnesota Vikings $19.1 million under
New Orleans Saints $20.6 million under
Philadelphia Eagles $22.6 million under
Baltimore Ravens $23.03 million under

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by vikesfan
Again it is about winning a SB not being a force in the playoffs.

...and this coming from the ultimate Dennis Green spin meister.

I just blew orange juice out my nose reading that.

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr


...and this coming from the ultimate Dennis Green spin meister.

I just blew orange juice out my nose reading that.

DG did everything possible to win a SB the Eagles have not they went cheap and it cost them in the playoffs.

What cost DG and the Vikes in the playoffs were a missed FG one year and key injuries another year.

That is different then what went down with the Eagles.

There are different theories but the theory that wins the SB or at least gets then team to the SB is SIGN QUALITY FAs every team there has done this the last several years BAL SEA OAK DENV NE CAR TB

The Eagles blew it.

DG never went cheap in his pursuit and when Red went cheap that is when DG resigned.

As for KC those FAs they added got them to the playoffs and they almost made it the AFC final. Adding FAs makes a difference!

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by vikesfan
DG did everything possible to win a SB the Eagles have not they went cheap and it cost them in the playoffs.

What cost DG and the Vikes in the playoffs were a missed FG one year and key injuries another year.

That is different then what went down with the Eagles.

There are different theories but the theory that wins the SB or at least gets then team to the SB is SIGN QUALITY FAs every team there has done this the last several years BAL SEA OAK DENV NE CAR TB

The Eagles blew it.

DG never went cheap in his pursuit and when Red went cheap that is when DG resigned.

As for KC those FAs they added got them to the playoffs and they almost made it the AFC final. Adding FAs makes a difference!

Adding FA's, drafting well, good coaching etc is what makes a difference.

The Eagles have blown it when they drop out of playoff contention. Until then they have a shot every year of winning the SB.

Managing the cap is the same basic principle as managing your own finances. If you spend too much money that you don't currently have then you are always in debt, very similar to credit cards. Sure you get a short term rush but in the long term it costs you big time.

Let's see how the Titans and Dolphins do this year. Of course they will come in under the cap, they have to, but what players will they lose to accomplish this?

The Eagles on the other hand will lose some average talent players but are in position to acquire the quality FA's that you so dearly covet. So now the Eagles reload again for another shot at the SB and they aren't losing any players that they really don't want to.