Cardinal Draft Philosophy

[az jam]

I think they are going to do the same thing which they did in the draft with Baker... they covet him and will trade one of their thirds and what not to get him

IMO, that would be a good move. I think he is special.

 

[Stout]

98.7 local radio has been running with the "i dont think it would be shocking if the Cardinals didnt take a QB high" and .... "the cost of moving up to get a top 4 is prohibitive" and .... "Bradford, when healthy, has been very effective....." not just Gambo either, all the shows have run with this narrative

all this sounds to me like the Cards prepping their fans for no QB taken unless one drops in their laps

Believe it or not, I won't melt down at all. I'll call them morons, but I've known this for almost a month now. The board is slowly coming to the same realization, after most told me I was nuts and couldn't predict that. Keim is, if nothing else, woefully predictable in how he drafts and sets up his teams.

 

[az jam]

If Lamar Jackson is there at #15 and they pass on him that could come back to haunt us. Its a gamble but he could become special with the right coaching.

 

[football karma]

from a draft philosophy perspective -- I appreciate the philosophy. I dont want this year's version of Christian Ponder or Jake Locker -- second tier QBs who were taken higher than thought because teams needed QBs

but at some point, you have to pay the price. my pov all along is if someone they like slides in the 5-10 slot, you gotta go get em

if they all go before 5, so be it

 

[JeffGollin]

My concern on CBs Hughes, and Alexander is that they are both just 5'10". They will be outreached by the bigger WRs in the NFL.

I agree.

Also - there's been late buzz favoring Hughes that seems to be gathering an unreal amount of momentum within the pre-draft echo chamber. Drafter beware.

 

[JeffGollin]

The Importance os so-called "intangibles."

Once upon a time, we drafted an undersized safety with decent numbers nicknamed. "The Honey Badger." Around the same point in time, Seattle used a 3rd round pick on a too-short QB named Russell Wilson. Johnny Unitas wasn't even drafted.

All 3 of these guys were exremely successful due to certain "it" factors that were often oversimplified to mean: "He's just a good football player."

I think defining the "it" factor isn't all that simple. I'm also wondering out loud whether so-called intangibles can be analyzed and incorporated into each prospect's rating.

I think this has to do with stuff like reflexes and field-awareness (Why could the Badger come out of nowhere to make a play on the ball while everyone else stood around)? I'm not sure what the "it" factor is composed of, but my hypothesis is that teams that isolate and pay attention to them win more than teams that don't.

Thoughts?

 

[WildBB]

The Importance os so-called "intangibles."

Once upon a time, we drafted an undersized safety with decent numbers nicknamed. "The Honey Badger." Around the same point in time, Seattle used a 3rd round pick on a too-short QB named Russell Wilson. Johnny Unitas wasn't even drafted.

All 3 of these guys were exremely successful due to certain "it" factors that were often oversimplified to mean: "He's just a good football player."

I think defining the "it" factor isn't all that simple. I'm also wondering out loud whether so-called intangibles can be analyzed and incorporated into each prospect's rating.

I think this has to do with stuff like reflexes and field-awareness (Why could the Badger come out of nowhere to make a play on the ball while everyone else stood around)? I'm not sure what the "it" factor is composed of, but my hypothesis is that teams that isolate and pay attention to them win more than teams that don't.

Thoughts?

Football IQ and all out effort goes a long way. QB's can have all the intangibles and still not get it. Others overcome that by having a super competitiveness driving them over the hump. These are the Football gamers and they're pretty easy to pick out. It may be why Lauletta is getting alot of attention despite his physical limitations (arm strength) somewhat. And it's why many picked after round 1 can be more NFL ready sooner. Aka Mathieu, Golden, DJ. Eventually their limitations can limit them, but smarts and competitivness will always find a way to have success.

 

[WisconsinCard]

The Importance os so-called "intangibles."

Once upon a time, we drafted an undersized safety with decent numbers nicknamed. "The Honey Badger." Around the same point in time, Seattle used a 3rd round pick on a too-short QB named Russell Wilson. Johnny Unitas wasn't even drafted.

All 3 of these guys were exremely successful due to certain "it" factors that were often oversimplified to mean: "He's just a good football player."

I think defining the "it" factor isn't all that simple. I'm also wondering out loud whether so-called intangibles can be analyzed and incorporated into each prospect's rating.

I think this has to do with stuff like reflexes and field-awareness (Why could the Badger come out of nowhere to make a play on the ball while everyone else stood around)? I'm not sure what the "it" factor is composed of, but my hypothesis is that teams that isolate and pay attention to them win more than teams that don't.

Thoughts?

Great topic Jeff, and one that should probably have it's own thread. The thing about the "it" factor is you can't see/test for a mans drive, you also can't measure a mans heart. I am of the belief that pretty much everyone drafted has mad skills, the skills to be great. It's just a matter of who applies them the best or works to improve them skills is who are the over-achievers.

 

[WildBB]

I am hearing a lot about them simply enthrall with Jaire Alexander, the cornerback out of Louisville. The way this front office is straight forward when others set smoke screens, theirs is being truthful because nobody else does... I think the guy is a legit selection in the first

It's also out there that they really like Hughes too.

 

[JeffGollin]

Great topic Jeff, and one that should probably have it's own thread. The thing about the "it" factor is you can't see/test for a mans drive, you also can't measure a mans heart. I am of the belief that pretty much everyone drafted has mad skills, the skills to be great. It's just a matter of who applies them the best or works to improve them skills is who are the over-achievers.

The reason why I raised the issue is that the Cardinals and other teams typically might draft a special player like Tyrann maybe once over a three year period. But what if their coaches and scouts were able to dig deeper into each player's psych and pinpoint and identify specific traits that, say made a guy like Tyrann different from the overwhelming majority of prospects.

Imagine if we could hit intangibles paydirt with 6 of every 7 guys we drafted. What would that version of the Cardinals look like? How good would they play?

If SK was able to replicate the process by which he and BA discovered the Badger, we'd really be into something.

 

[WisconsinCard]

The reason why I raised the issue is that the Cardinals and other teams typically might draft a special player like Tyrann maybe once over a three year period. But what if their coaches and scouts were able to dig deeper into each player's psych and pinpoint and identify specific traits that, say made a guy like Tyrann different from the overwhelming majority of prospects.

Imagine if we could hit intangibles paydirt with 6 of every 7 guys we drafted. What would that version of the Cardinals look like? How good would they play?

If SK was able to replicate the process by which he and BA discovered the Badger, we'd really be into something.

If we could identify the "it" factor, or create a test to find it we would be rich beyond 9ur wildest dreams. We could at least be HOF GM's...