Cardinal pitcher Josh Hancock killed in automobile accident

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WOW! How and when was he glorified and if he was why shouldn't he be anymore? It was a bad mistake that resulted in a tragic loss and people were remembering him and saying their goodbyes and whatnot. I don't think it was really "glorified". The guy had lots of issues before this that were very public. Are people not to be remembered when they die by their loved ones, friends , and fans. You are heartless.

i'm heartless for what? saying he doesnt deserve to be honored for having any disregard for his life or ANYONE elses. i can pretty much guarrantee that this is not the first time he had done something like this, and wouldnt have been the last.

his friends, family, and fans can certainly mourn.....and i would mourn too. i feel sorry for his family and friends, and pray for them. it is completely unfortunate that they must go through something like this....and i would NEVER want to have to deal with a situation such as this.

but if this situation is called a "tragic accident"....well then i would have to dissagree. and treating it as such is wrong. driving drunk and getting yourself killed is a consequence, not an unavoidable accident.
 
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i'm heartless for what? saying he doesnt deserve to be honored for having any disregard for his life or ANYONE elses. i can pretty much guarrantee that this is not the first time he had done something like this, and wouldnt have been the last.

his friends, family, and fans can certainly mourn.....and i would mourn too. i feel sorry for his family and friends, and pray for them. it is completely unfortunate that they must go through something like this....and i would NEVER want to have to deal with a situation such as this.

but if this situation is called a "tragic accident"....well then i would have to dissagree. and treating it as such is wrong. driving drunk and getting yourself killed is a consequence, not an unavoidable accident.

Heartless was little harsh, sorry. I just don't see how you claim that they glorfied him or the situation. They paid their respects to a fallen comrade really that is all.

I guess we disagree as to the defintion of tragedy. I view tragedy as an unfortunate event which whatever way you try to spin the details or history of the person it certainly was unfortunate. That was my point.
 

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Tragic story. But of all people, why was LaRussa trying to lecture him? Tony was arrested a month or so ago.
 

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I just hope the Cardinals organization doesn't try to honor him by putting up some placard in the bullpen like they did with Kile. Sorry but some habitual DUI guy does not deserved to be honored in such a fashion. In fact, I think given the info that has come to light about Hancock, the Cardinals organization should remove any patch from their uniform.

Be sorry for his death, think of the family and be thankful this guy didn't kill anyone else because it could have easily happened considering he was drunk enough that he couldn't even avoid hitting a tow truck.

Cardinals organization doesn't have the stones to take a stance like this though.
 

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I just hope the Cardinals organization doesn't try to honor him by putting up some placard in the bullpen like they did with Kile. Sorry but some habitual DUI guy does not deserved to be honored in such a fashion. In fact, I think given the info that has come to light about Hancock, the Cardinals organization should remove any patch from their uniform.

Be sorry for his death, think of the family and be thankful this guy didn't kill anyone else because it could have easily happened considering he was drunk enough that he couldn't even avoid hitting a tow truck.

Cardinals organization doesn't have the stones to take a stance like this though.

I don't think they will honor him by putting some placard in the bullpen as you suggested but I doubt people would be irrate about it if they did . However, I don't get the point of removing the patch from their uniform. What the hell kind of purpose would that serve?

I bet if some of you making such comments experienced a loss of someone close to you in a similar manner your tune would quickly change. You all act as if you are perfect and have never done anything wrong that had a bad result. Obvioulsy, I am not saying you have killed someone but chances are you have driven when you shouldn't have. Be it due to alcohol, prescription drugs or something similar. I don't understand what the hell is wrong with some of you and am quickly changing my opinion about many posters on this board. Despicable.
 

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What the hell kind of purpose would that serve?

Ummm, maybe that while we are sorry he is no longer with us that he shouldn't be honored in this way given the fact he died driving wasted? Maybe, just maybe, that kind of stance would make one person out there open their eyes and think twice about slamming alcohol and getting behind the wheel? What do you think? Good enough reason to do that?

I know you will not think so. May as well save the time in responding to that. You are apparently a Cardinals baseball fan and as such you are willing to give alot of latitude on this. My best guess is, if this had been a Cubs pitcher, you wouldn't be able to post fast enough all the same things people are saying here.

As for me never driving impaired, I will not try to tell anyone I haven't...but I was doing this back in the day when people didn't pay much attention to drunk driving as some huge issue. Everyone, including good Mr Hancock, was much better educated on the dangers of driving drunk than I ever was...he didn't care to heed the warnings...as a result he found out the ramifications of plowing into a parked tow truck.
 

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Ummm, maybe that while we are sorry he is no longer with us that he shouldn't be honored in this way given the fact he died driving wasted? Maybe, just maybe, that kind of stance would make one person out there open their eyes and think twice about slamming alcohol and getting behind the wheel? What do you think? Good enough reason to do that?

I know you will not think so. May as well save the time in responding to that. You are apparently a Cardinals baseball fan and as such you are willing to give alot of latitude on this. My best guess is, if this had been a Cubs pitcher, you wouldn't be able to post fast enough all the same things people are saying here.

As for me never driving impaired, I will not try to tell anyone I haven't...but I was doing this back in the day when people didn't pay much attention to drunk driving as some huge issue. Everyone, including good Mr Hancock, was much better educated on the dangers of driving drunk than I ever was...he didn't care to heed the warnings...as a result he found out the ramifications of plowing into a parked tow truck.


I don't think removing a patch from the players sleeve will accomplish what you think it may. There are always going to be people who will drive after drinking. How is removing a patch from the sleeve going to educate the public about driving while under the influence?

I am a Cardinals fan but you couldn't be more wrong about your Cubs person scenario. It doesn't matter who it is if someone dies, imo, a tragic death of this sort than my thoughts are the same.

Christ, I am not saying they need to build a shrine for the guy. All they have simply done is what any team would do. They paid their respects at the memorial and decided to put a patch on their sleeves to show respect for a fallen teammate. You all act as if they have claimed Hancock the second coming of Christ.

Everyone, including good Mr Hancock, was much better educated on the dangers of driving drunk than I ever was...he didn't care to heed the warnings...as a result he found out the ramifications of plowing into a parked tow truck.

That is quite an assumption. One that could be true but you never know so....don't be so quick to judge others.
 

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I am a Cardinals fan but you couldn't be more wrong about your Cubs person scenario.
Cardinals . . . Cubs . . . that's a game, a form of entertainment.

Some fool getting behind the wheel drunk, with drug paraphanelia, talking on a cell phone, and ramming an innocent nearby driver -- after a previous incident a week or whatever before -- is a serious matter which should not be condoned or rewarded, under any circumstances.

Being a "celebrity" doesn't make it any different from any other fool who shows disrespect for people's lives -- his own or any others.
 

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Sadly, when he first got killed, and rumors started surrounding his activities following the Saturday afternoon game, I got a sick and sinking feeling that something like this would break before long.

As for everything else.. It's sad a young life was ended due to irresponsibility, and as others have pointed out, thank God noone else was killed due to Hancock's irresponsibility.

That being said, for those saying that the Cardinals should remove the patches and turn the guy in to some kind of pariah, three words for you.. Get a grip..

The teammates lost a brother. These guys traveled the roads together, I'm sure shared bonds that none of us will ever quite understand, and were part of a grown and extended family. I'm sure many of them shook their heads when they read this story as well, but to fail to acknowledge the loss of their brother because of it is both rediculously severe and assnine.

The team is completely in the right for remembering Hancock this way. I'm not saying they should build a statue outside the new Busch Stadium for the guy, or not saying they should rename the bullpen after the guy, but who the hell are ANY of us to tell the team to not remember one of it's own?
 

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Looks like the Cardinals have taken that first step towards alchol.

ST. LOUIS -- The St. Louis Cardinals banned alcohol from the clubhouse on Friday, five days after the alcohol-related fatal accident of pitcher Josh Hancock.

Manager Tony La Russa said general manager Walt Jocketty made the decision earlier Friday without consulting players. La Russa said it was a largely symbolic move since players don't drink much in the clubhouse anyway.

The team is also considering an alcohol ban on the road and debating whether to ban alcohol on certain charter flights, but no decisions had been made.

"It's meaningful," La Russa said. "But it's not a significant factor in our clubhouse because our guys don't stay in the clubhouse to drink."

Executives from 12 to 15 teams have been in contact with the Oakland Athletics' general counsel in the last 48 hours to inquire about the team's alcohol policy, ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reported Friday. Oakland is the only team known to have prohibited alcohol distribution in both its home and visiting clubhouses, and the team's intention moving forward is to ban alcohol outright.

At least three other teams -- the New York Mets, New York Yankees and Pittsburgh Pirates -- have banned alcohol from their home clubhouses, and Major League Baseball is currently in the process of surveying teams to determine what their respective policies are. There is some question for baseball about whether the banning of alcohol from clubhouses may be subject to collective bargaining with the union, because it is related to work conditions.

Center fielder Jim Edmonds was unaware of the change when approached by reporters about 2½ hours before Friday's game against the Houston Astros. He didn't seem to mind, although he didn't believe it was a problem in the clubhouse.

"I didn't know anything about it. But if that's what they want to do, fine with us," said Edmonds, the longest tenured Cardinal who has been with the team since 2000. "They're our bosses, they're the ones who make the big decisions. We just work here."

La Russa didn't think alcohol abuse was a problem on the team in general, noting that many of the players are married with children. The bullpen is an exception.

"Look at our roster," he said. "The game is over, guys go home to their family. So it's a limited scope issue."

The Cardinals were owned for decades by Anheuser Busch Cos. Inc., and their stadium is named after the brewery. The team has traditionally made alcohol available to players after games. Even after Anheuser Busch sold the team to a group of mostly local businessmen in 1996, the practice continued.

Edmonds said Hancock's death was a shock to the system for players, and should be for the public in general also.

"I'd hate to single out our team, because I don't think it's a baseball issue. I think it's an issue all over the place, and hopefully people will be more aware of it because of what happened."

The Astros do not provide alcohol to players in their clubhouse. Manager Phil Garner recalled the Brewers, where he began his managerial career in 1992, banning alcohol that season.

Garner sees that as a reflection of a healthier society in general.

"The drinking as a whole has dropped off significantly in the clubhouse, and from what I see, just generally, in baseball as a whole," Garner said. "I think there was a drinking culture in baseball years ago, and I don't think it's there anymore.

"Guys work to condition themselves, and it's a 'round the clock deal."

At Yankee Stadium, manager Joe Torre said he thought individual teams had addressed the issue.

"Obviously it's more of a problem at home than it would be on the road because when you're on the road you're on a bus and you're not driving," Torre said.

Hancock was drunk and talking on his cell phone at the time of his fatal accident early Sunday on Interstate 64 in St. Louis. His sport utility vehicle hit the back of a tow truck parked on the highway to assist a driver from a previous accident.

Hancock's blood-alcohol level was 0.157, nearly twice Missouri's legal limit of 0.08, the medical examiner said.
 

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Agreed, asudevil83. And very fortunate he didn't LeonardLittle anyone. But seeing how the ******* St. Louis fans still cheer for the drunken murderer Little, everyone there will still think it is a "tragic" accident.

And again, I will pose the question - did the lax way that the Cardinals treated Larussa after his DUI contribute/condone a culture of drunk driving?

Are the Cardinals still owned by Anheuser Busch or did they sell to Wal Mart?
 

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Maybe they could make a huge memorial at the entrance to the Ball park. This one would contain his mangled vehicle and the details of his condition. Role models works both ways.
 
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Suit claims restaurant kept giving intoxicated pitcher drinks

ST. LOUIS -- The father of Josh Hancock filed suit Thursday, claiming a restaurant provided drinks to the St. Louis Cardinals relief pitcher even though he was intoxicated prior to the crash that killed him.

The suit, filed in St. Louis Circuit Court by Dean Hancock of Tupelo, Miss., does not specify damages. Mike Shannon's Restaurant, owned by the longtime Cardinals broadcaster who starred on three World Series teams in the 1960s, is a defendant in the case along with Shannon's daughter, Patricia Shannon Van Matre, the restaurant manager.

Other defendants include Eddie's Towing, the company whose flatbed tow truck was struck by Hancock's sport utility vehicle in the early hours of April 29; tow truck driver Jacob Edward Hargrove; and Justin Tolar, the driver whose stalled car on Interstate 64 was being assisted by Hargrove.

The Cardinals and Major League Baseball were not listed as defendants.

Authorities said the 29-year pitcher had a blood alcohol content of nearly twice the legal limit when he crashed into the back of the tow truck. He was also speeding and using a cell phone and wasn't wearing a seat belt, police chief Joe Mokwa said after the accident. Marijuana was also found in the SUV.

Mokwa said Hancock went to Mike Shannon's not long after the Cardinals played a day game against the Chicago Cubs on April 28. The lawsuit claimed that Hancock was a regular at the restaurant bar and was there for more than 3½ hours.

"It's understood that for the entire 3½ hours that Josh Hancock was there that he was handed drinks," Keith Kantack, a lawyer for Dean Hancock, said. "It's our understanding that from the moment Josh Hancock entered Mike Shannon's that night that he was never without a drink."

A person answering phones at the restaurant declined comment. A message left with Van Matre was not returned.

The lawsuit claimed Tolar was negligent in allowing his vehicle to reach the point where it stalled on the highway, and for failing to move it out of the way of oncoming traffic. A police report said the car became stalled when it spun out after being cut off by another vehicle.

Police said Hargrove noticed the stalled vehicle and stopped to help. The report said he told officers he was there five to seven minutes before his truck was hit by Hancock's SUV. But Kantack said the tow truck may have been there up to 15 minutes, yet failed to get the stalled vehicle out of the way.

"Were the police contacted?" Kantack asked. "Why weren't flares put out? Why was the tow truck there for an exorbitant amount of time?"

Tolar did not have a listed telephone number. Calls to the towing company were met with a busy signal.

Kantack said others could be added later as defendants in the suit. He declined to speculate on whether the Cardinals or Major League Baseball could be added to the suit but said the Hancock family has been "overwhelmed by the support and respect the Cardinals have shown since Josh's passing."

Dean Hancock said in a statement that the "facts and circumstances" of Josh's death "have caused great pain to all of Josh's family." As administrator of his son's estate, Dean Hancock said he has an obligation to represent the family on all issues, "including any legal actions necessary against those who contributed to the untimely and unnecessary death."

well, quite frankly i'm speechless and sickened by this

the father is suing the bar, the tow truck company, the tow truck driver, and the dude who's car stalled on the freeway.

i officially have no sympathy for ANY part of the family who is taking part in this lawsuit. greed greed greed.
 

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i officially have no sympathy for ANY part of the family who is taking part in this lawsuit. greed greed greed.

:stupid:

Any judge should throw the case out in 5 minutes.
 

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well, quite frankly i'm speechless and sickened by this

the father is suing the bar, the tow truck company, the tow truck driver, and the dude who's car stalled on the freeway.

i officially have no sympathy for ANY part of the family who is taking part in this lawsuit. greed greed greed.

Wow.. Josh isn't even two months fresh in the ground yet already they're talking lawsuit.

Gotta love the "American Way".
 

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Wow.. Josh isn't even two months fresh in the ground yet already they're talking lawsuit.

Gotta love the "American Way".

What is worse is that they think they can profit off of their stupid son's mistake. Yeah, I said he was stupid because he was. How can you over-serve someone? How about stop drinking? And even if they served him enough he still made the decision to drive. That has nothing to do with the amount of alcohol he drank.

As far as suing the tow truck, the broken car, or whoever else, that's just insane.
 

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The only thing that would come close to making sense would be for the father to sue his deceased son for his own wrongful death.

I'm just glad Josh didn't kill anyone else that night.
 

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What is worse is that they think they can profit off of their stupid son's mistake. Yeah, I said he was stupid because he was. How can you over-serve someone? How about stop drinking? And even if they served him enough he still made the decision to drive. That has nothing to do with the amount of alcohol he drank.

Here's the million dollar question I'll ask time and time and time again in situations like this.

Have the days gone by where people take accountability for their own actions? Seriously, we'll sue the bar for "continuing to serve" the guy? How about taking a look at your son and shaking your head over the fact that he didn't have enough self restraint to call for a cab, or to better yet STOP DRINKING when he felt he had been given too much? We're not talking about a 6 or 7 year old kid here, who didn't know better. We're talking about a nearly 30 year old man.

However, at the end of the day, some kind of settlement will happen, the Hancock family will wind up getting money and this piss poor precident will continue to play large-- when you mess up, instead of taking accountability for yourself, sue.

As far as suing the tow truck, the broken car, or whoever else, that's just insane.

That IS insane. Maybe you should beat your own heads off the wall in shame that your son decided to get behind the wheel of a car when he was obviously too drunk to drive. Not like he couldn't afford a cab. It's just sad.. Sad and shameful.

As Brian In Mesa said, if there's ANY light at the end of the tunnel, it's the fact that at least noone else was killed or injured due to Hancock's irresponsibility.
 

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Amazing... Simply amazing.

Yeah, while you're at it, why not sue Verizon because he was on his cell phone when it happend.
 

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Why are all of you in such shock that there are multiple suits here? Could you not see this coming from a mile away? This stuff takes place all of the time. Always has and always will. I am not saying I agree or disagree with it because I, just like most of you here, don't know all the facts.

Having said that I think if I were in the same position as Mr. Hancock I would rather let it all go and move on with my life. The recovery process is long enough and one never fully recovers after such a loss but I don't see this as helping the situation.
 

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Bryan Pata's family just got $2 mil from the apartment complex he was shot and killed at. Insurer settled out of court, because Pata attorney claimed the decorative foliage blurred the parking lot lights and a dumpster provided the unfound assailant with a hiding place from which to hide behind. Oh yes, the complex advertised on site security in its brochure.
 

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Totally disgusting IMO. I think establishments that serve alcohol have insurance for this kind of thing.
 

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I think they should sue the company that built the road because if it was never built he never would have driven down it
 
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