Cardinals' HC Search Thoughts Part IV

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Word is the Pat Shurmur is the Cardinals' leading candidate, followed by Steve Wilks and Mike Munchak.

Per the NY Post, the Giants' 3 finalists are Shurmur, Matt Patricia and Josh McDaniels.

Let's pause right here---if the Giants make an offer to Shurmur, chances are, he will coach the Giants. Let's face it---the Giants have QB Eli Manning, the #2 pick in the draft (likely Darnold or Rosen), one of the top trios of WRs in the NFL (Beckham, Marshall and Shepard), a potential maverick at TE (Evan Engram) and a star-studded defense (DE Pierre-Paul, DE Vernon Olivier, DT Snacks Harrison, CB Janoris Jenkins, CB DRC, CB Eli Apple and Pro Bowl S Landon Collins).

It is also possible that Shurmur could convince the Giants tho move on from Eli Manning so that he could bring Case K, Teddy B or Sam B with him while he grooms Darnold or Rosen. The Giants are on the cusp of moving on from Manning anyway.

The aspects that might dissuade Shurmur from coaching the Giants---the pressure cooker which is New York---and inserting a team chock-full of divas and malcontents. Plus, the fans seem to be adamant about holding on to Eli Manning---and, in light of Manning's struggles over the past few years---Shurmur might prefer a fresh start in Arizona.

The Cardinals' #2 favorite is Steve Wilks. Curiously, despite the owners in attendance during his early week meeting with the Giants, and with their new GM Dave Getelman (who knows Wilks as well as anyone) presiding, Wilks didn't make the Giants' short list. Furthermore, Wilks' scheduled meeting with the Colts was cancelled. Some are saying that the Colts realized they strictly want an offensive minded HC, while others are saying that Wilks cancelled the meeting.

Regardless, right now it looks like only one team, the Cardinals, have Wilks on their short list. Reports are that Wilks may have John DeFilippo lined up as his OC, which certainly makes a Wilks/JDF package very appealing. However, let's pause here for a minute---if the report that JDF is atop the Seahawks' OC list is accurate, why would JDF choose the Cardinals over the Seahawks?

While Michael Bidwill has a good spin regarding the Cardinals' QB situation (with no one signed the HC and OC could have a hand in which QB they want), as the saying goes "a bird in hand is better than two in the bush", and that bird happens to be Russell Wilson. Ff you have HC aspirations the way JDF does, you take the bird in hard, especially that stunning osprey.

If JDF signs with the Seahawks, where does that leave Wilks? Can he attract Mike Shula? How about Darell Bevell? Apparently, Wilks mentioned Mike McCoy as a possibility.

i would prefer Mike Shula over Bevell and McCoy. Although i would rate them 1A. Shula, 1B Bevell. 3. McCoy. Shula's offenses are very balanced---he calls a good mix of runs and play action passes. Bevell is more difficult to assess because the Seahawks' best plays were often off of RW scrambles and read options.

Interestingly, Mike McCoy reportedly has interest from the Bills to be their new OC, now that they have let Rick Dennison go.

Number 3 on the Cardinals' reported list is Mike Munchak, the mystery candidate---in that there has been no word or speculation (at least from what I am aware of) of whom he would bring with him as OC and DC. Not sure how fond he is of the Steelers' OC Todd Haley, but after Haley's freakish bar mugging incident and a season in which the Steelers coaches appointed an intermediary to stand between Haley and Big Ben on the sidelines during games 9to mitigate tensions), chances are Haley will be out as the Steelers' OC. A Munchak/Haley offensive combination is intriguing. Who then would be the DC?

According to reports, the Bears are showing interest in James Bettcher, as they anticipate Vic Fangio might wish to go with Pat Shurmur wherever Shurmur signs.

Speaking of Fangio, it's actually quite a compliment to Shurmur that Fangio wants to hook up with him. Of course, in the NFC Central, Fangio had to lock horns with Shurmur 3 times over the past two years. Fangio won over Norv Turner's (OC) Vikings 20-10 in October of 2016, but after Shurmur was named the OC after Turner's hasty resignation during the 2016 season, Shurmur has won all three encounters with Fangio by scores of 38-10, 20-17 and 23-10.

At this point, the Giants, Lions, Colts and Cardinals are waiting for the playoff games this weekend to see which apples are shaken from the tree. By current rules, the Cardinals can meet next week with any of HC candidates they have already interviewed, even if the coaches are still in the playoffs.

If you, like I and others, are hoping the Cardinals can sign Pat Shurmur with Vic Fangio as the DC, we have to hope the Giants go with Patricia or McDaniels and that the Lions are still focused on a defensive minded head coach with old Patriots' ties, either Patricia or Mike Vrabel.

If it came down to the Colts and the Cardinals, it's possible that Shurmur would rather work for Michael Bidwill and not Jim Irsay, especially in light of the uncertainty of Andrew Luck's future.
 
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My guess is Shrumur is the top choice. Munchak is fallback option. Wilks is 3rd.
 

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Word is the Pat Shurmur is the Cardinals' leading candidate, followed by Steve Wilks and Mike Munchak.

Per the NY Post, the Giants' 3 finalists are Shurmur, Matt Patricia and Josh McDaniels.

Let's pause right here---if the Giants make an offer to Shurmur, chances are, he will coach the Giants. Let's face it---the Giants have QB Eli Manning, the #2 pick in the draft (likely Darnold or Rosen), one of the top trios of WRs in the NFL (Beckham, Marshall and Shepard), a potential maverick at TE (Evan Engram) and a star-studded defense (DE Pierre-Paul, DE Vernon Olivier, DT Snacks Harrison, CB Janoris Jenkins, CB DRC, CB Eli Apple and Pro Bowl S Landon Collins).

It is also possible that Shurmur could convince the Giants tho move on from Eli Manning so that he could bring Case K, Teddy B or Sam B with him while he grooms Darnold or Rosen. The Giants are on the cusp of moving on from Manning anyway.

The Cardinals' #2 favorite is Steve Wilks. Curiously, despite the owners in attendance during his early week meeting with the Giants, and with their new GM Dave Getelman (who knows Wilks as well as anyone) presiding, Wilks didn't make the Giants' short list. Furthermore, Wilks' scheduled meeting with the Colts was cancelled. Some are saying that the Colts realized they strictly want an offensive minded HC, while others are saying that Wilks cancelled the meeting.

Regardless, right now it looks like only one team, the Cardinals, have Wilks on their short list. Reports are that Wilks may have John DeFilippo lined up as his OC, which certainly makes a Wilks/JDF package very appealing. However, let's pause here for a minute---if the report that JDF is atop the Seahawks' OC list is accurate, why would JDF choose the Cardinals over the Seahawks?

While Michael Bidwill has a good spin regarding the Cardinals' QB situation (with no one signed the HC and OC could have a hand in which QB they want), as the saying goes "a bird in hand is better than two in the bush", and that bird happens to be Russell Wilson. Ff you have HC aspirations the way JDF does, you take the bird in hard, especially that stunning osprey.

If JDF signs with the Seahawks, where does that leave Wilks? Can he attract Mike Shula? How about Darell Bevell? Apparently, Wilks mentioned Mike McCoy as a possibility.

i would prefer Mike Shula over Bevell and McCoy. Although i would rate them 1A. Shula, 1B Bevell. 3. McCoy. Shula's offenses are very balanced---he calls a good mix of runs and play action passes. Bevell is more difficult to assess because the Seahawks' best plays were often off of RW scrambles and read options.

Interestingly, Mike McCoy reportedly has interest from the Bills to be their new OC, now that they have let Rick Dennison go.

Number 3 on the Cardinals' reported list is Mike Munchak, the mystery candidate---in that there has been no word or speculation (at least from what I am aware of) of whom he would bring with him as OC and DC. Not sure how fond he is of the Steelers' OC Todd Haley, but after Haley's freakish bar mugging incident and a season in which the Steelers coaches appointed an intermediary to stand between Haley and Big Ben on the sidelines during games 9to mitigate tensions), chances are Haley will be out as the Steelers' OC. A Munchak/Haley offensive combination is intriguing. Who then would be the DC?

According to reports, the Bears are showing interest in James Bettcher, as they anticipate Vic Fangio might wish to go with Pat Shurmur wherever Shurmur signs.

Speaking of Fangio, it's actually quite a compliment to Shurmur that Fangio wants to hook up with him. Of course, in the NFC Central, Fangio had to lock horns with Shurmur 3 times over the past two years. Fangio won over Norv Turner's (OC) Vikings 20-10 in October of 2016, but after Shurmur was named the OC after Turner's hasty resignation during the 2016 season, Shurmur has won all three encounters with Fangio by scores of 38-10, 20-17 and 23-10.

At this point, the Giants, Lions, Colts and Cardinals are waiting for the playoff games this weekend to see which apples are shaken from the tree.

If you like I and others, are hoping the Cardinals can sign Pat Shurmur with Vic Fangio as the DC, we have to hope the Giants go with Patricia or McDaniels and that the Lions are still focused on a defensive minded head coach with old Patriots' ties, either Patricia or Mike Vrabel.

If it came down to the Colts and the Cardinals, it's possible that Shurmur would rather work for Michael Bidwill and not Jim Irsay, especially in light of the uncertainty of Andrew Luck's future.

everyone seems to think new york is so much better a situation than Az... it aint.

the giants have locker room issues and a lot of huge personnel decisions to make that could cost a coach his job in a relatively short period.... because if the new coach cannot get their locker room under control,..some of their top players are going to have to go....if they go, and the new coach cant produce wins right away then he is gone too.

when you look at Shurmers personal history...

Born in dearborn michigan
attended michigan state
coached at Philly
coached at st louis
coached at cleveland
coached at Philly again
coached in minnesota.

what you see is that Philly is the biggest media market where he has coached... as a midwestern guy it is quite possible Shurmur does not want to be in the poo show that is the NY media market

Arizona offers a much more workable media atmosphere... while also offering an owner who is willing to invest in winning.... NY offers a position where a coach was just fired for benching Eli,...but their next coach is going to have to transition the team away from Eli while dealing with possibly the most brutal media environment in all of pro sports.

Arizona is a better coaching position. Arizona is a safer choice for a guy who actually wants to be a HC long term..

Denny Green, Whizz, and BA all made strides in AZ in regards to transitioning this team from perennial loser to respectable franchise. The next step is perennial playoff team and Super Bowl Champion... whichever coach makes that step will be a legend in Arizona sports... not the coach who led us to SB #4 or 5 or whatever,...

we dont have guys in our secondary calling other guys a cancer in the media...we dont have a prima donna WR who needs a baby sitter...we dont have an aging QB who may be resisting the end...

we have a wide open offense featuring possibly the best RB in the NFL and the opportunity to build the rest to his liking...we also have a very solid defense that has the guy who just led the league in sacks,....and another solid pass rusher coming off of IR...a HoF level CB in his prime and a rookie safety who just made all pro as a rookie.

For a guy who may just want to do his job and win football games without being in the spotlight every day...

Arizona is a much better job than NY Giants right now.

Let go of that East Coast bias... nobody in their right mind wants that Giants job right now.
 
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everyone seems to think new york is so much better a situation than Az... it aint.

the giants have locker room issues and a lot of huge personnel decisions to make that could cost a coach his job in a relatively short period.... because if the new coach cannot get their locker room under control,..some of their top players are going to have to go....if they go, and the new coach cant produce wins right away then he is gone too.

when you look at Shurmers personal history...

Born in dearborn michigan
attended michigan state
coached at Philly
coached at st louis
coached at cleveland
coached at Philly again
coached in minnesota.

what you see is that Philly is the biggest media market where he has coached... as a midwestern guy it is quite possible Shurmur does not want to be in the **** show that is the NY media market

Arizona offers a much more workable media atmosphere... while also offering an owner who is willing to invest in winning.... NY offers a position where a coach was just fired for benching Eli,...but their next coach is going to have to transition the team away from Eli while dealing with possibly the most brutal media environment in all of pro sports.

Arizona is a better coaching position. Arizona is a safer choice for a guy who actually wants to be a HC long term..

Denny Green, Whizz, and BA all made strides in AZ in regards to transitioning this team from perennial loser to respectable franchise. The next step is perennial playoff team and Super Bowl Champion... whichever coach makes that step will be a legend in Arizona sports... not the coach who led us to SB #4 or 5 or whatever,...

we dont have guys in our secondary calling other guys a cancer in the media...we dont have a prima donna WR who needs a baby sitter...we dont have an aging QB who may be resisting the end...

we have a wide open offense featuring possibly the best RB in the NFL and the opportunity to build the rest to his liking...we also have a very solid defense that has the guy who just led the league in sacks,....and another solid pass rusher coming off of IR...a HoF level CB in his prime and a rookie safety who just made all pro as a rookie.

For a guy who may just want to do his job and win football games without being in the spotlight every day...

Arizona is a much better job than NY Giants right now.

Let go of that East Coast bias... nobody in their right mind wants that Giants job right now.
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Good pitch, oaken! I hope you are correct!
 
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Good write up Mitch. Just as good as anything you would read in a sports mag. I too would love Shurmur & Fangio as HC & DC. Too bad Fangio is staying with the Bears.
 

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I’m very nervous about this hire because we either stay on course with solid, stay stable to very good years of winning or we nosedive!

Hasn’t Shurmur been a coach on some bad teams & offenses outside of the last couple of years in Vikingland? I’m very not sold on what would probably be his QBs: Keenam who has stunk his whole career & has a good 11 games. Didn’t we learn our lesson with Gabbert? Teddy hasn’t been all that impressive throwing the rock at all during his career & hes 2 years removed from a catastrophic leg injury. I’m sorry but I’m passing on him. Bradford has been the most consistent of those guys but he’s injury prone & the Captain of the checkdown pass. Hmmm

Wilks I don’t know much about other than Carolinas defenses were pretty good. As far as Shula being an OC I’ve never been impressed with his offenses! Outside of 1 year when Scam tore up the league, he’s coached some bad teams & offenses as well imo.

Which leads us to Munch. He’s always been on some pretty good teams as a player & coach. More proven, better track record, less moving, more stability imo. We know for a fact he would improve this Oline somehow someway. Who could he get as OC & DC? I’d luv to see Haley paired with him regardless of the supposed problems many have stated. Haley has won & been a successful OC & coach in nearly every team he’s been with.

With that said I’d lean toward Munch because our Oline has been a mess for years & years, probably keeping us from winning a Super Bowl & possibly many rings. Bring in Haley & let Munchak get the DC he sees fit.

The next 5, maybe 10 years depend on which future QB the Cards draft...Keims job relies on it as well. The next Head Coaches job sure does. It’s time to get tough & nasty!!!
 

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Horton is kumbaya from NFL. Not sure he would command any respect straight up as DC. May be work through positional coaching positions
 

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Heard hub arkush on Chicago radio today. They asked him about bettcher and how would he measure up against Fangio. He replied he would take Fangio based on past success but that Bettcher was right up there with him. Hmmm...
 
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