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Lots of great excuses why all of them still said no to the cardinals.
Guess if it makes you feel better good for you.
Always appreciate a 'great' associated with one of my posts.
Lots of great excuses why all of them still said no to the cardinals.
Guess if it makes you feel better good for you.
And what is YOUR source? As you always like to bang on about, that's just speculation. You can't possibly know for sureSource?
Flores agent.
Which could've been avoided by never interviewing him in the first place lolI don't think Flores turned down the Cardinals job. I think that possibly Mike didn't want to hire him so he is dragging out this process quite a bit so that Flores had to take another job rather than wait under Michael's time frame. By doing this the Cardinals did not reject him and open themselves up to more lawsuit stuff.
Quote please.Are you pair having a dense off?
What part of "I'm not interested in OC jobs at the start of the hiring cycle but now that I don't have a HC job it makes sense to look at other options" is so freaking hard for you to understand?
The ineptitude is that we moved so slow we were passed by molasses, which allowed the Vikings a chance to poach him.3rd reply here, actually seriously talking Flores, I think it's a bad look, BUT I can see reasons he made his decision that aren't entirely connected to the franchise's ineptitude. There's obvious bias here as a fan... but he may have seen the writing on the wall vs. the other candidates, especially in the face of the Rooney Rule, and with this pending lawsuit.
I've actually felt like Ryans declined the interview for similar reasons. Now, Payton was the big ticket name at the time, but still. In a sense, I've felt like Glenn and Flores were almost "let's pretend we're serious" interviews. That's a very harsh thought, because they're both deserving of a look at a head coaching role, but... I don't know if they had a clear pathway. Bidwill's really part of the good ol' boy consortium of the NFL, and I can't fathom him hiring someone with an active lawsuit to be his coach, regardless of qualifications. Race aside, I don't think I could hire someone suing my industry either.
The way things have gone are a pretty bad look, but from a positive view as someone who just wants to win football games, I still actually feel okay, especially if we end up with Anarumo. I'd like it to happen sooner though, so we can all fight about something more tangible. I'm running out of jokes.
You and I have only posted together over my hugely negative approach during the Kliff years, so it's probably going to sound weird for me to approach things from a place of optimism. I have a little bit of doubt in the way we've gone through the hiring process, but I can see where and why we've moved on from seemingly preferred candidates, or they've moved on from us.I'm honestly struggling with the "bad look" angle. Feels like that's a pure Cards fan thing.
Let's say you're a coder. You have an offer on the table to be VP of product development at Facebook, they need to know in 48 hours if you want the job. But you have a 2nd interview to be President of product development at Google in 4 days. It's a better job, pays more, but your only 1 of 3 going for it. You're not even sure it's 3 because some other guys become available next week.
Can people really not understand why that person might take the 100% VP job over the 1 in 3+ job?
You and I agree on a lot about this franchise's problems, but I kinda feel like Flores was in the consideration set for the job only for optics. I never felt like he had more than a 25% chance to become head coach.The ineptitude is that we moved so slow we were passed by molasses, which allowed the Vikings a chance to poach him.
That would make us orders of magnitude more inept.You and I agree on a lot about this franchise's problems, but I kinda feel like Flores was in the consideration set for the job only for optics. I never felt like he had more than a 25% chance to become head coach.
The lawsuit's just such a big albatross... especially with our former head coach and defensive coordinator attached to it.
It's a league rule... I think it has a sensible purpose, but black personnel have turned down interview opportunities because they know it's a token thing, and a waste of their time. Especially with Payton still out there at the time, I'm not shocked.That would make us orders of magnitude more inept.
You and I agree on a lot about this franchise's problems, but I kinda feel like Flores was in the consideration set for the job only for optics. I never felt like he had more than a 25% chance to become head coach.
The lawsuit's just such a big albatross... especially with our former head coach and defensive coordinator attached to it.
Quote please.
What I think is he was quoted as saying something and he's said and done nothing to retract or go against that.A quote for logic?
His options right now are retire or OC. Do you not think he might change his position from a month ago?
I really have no idea why this has you and Chopper's panties in a twist. It's really nothing and now likely zero to do with us.
I think Flores is a good coach. I still think it's a "look, we're considering him" approach. Vance doesn't count for the Rooney rule, because he's on our team.Got to disagree on this one. Interviewing Flores for optics is counter productive. It's exactly what you shouldn't do with a guy suing the NFL for 2 cases of "token" interviews. Plus they already interview Ejiro, Glenn, Vance etc to hit any quota. The one guy you don't quota is Flores.
I don't think he'd get one interview if this was the case, never mind asked back for a 2nd.
I think Flores is a good coach. I still think it's a "look, we're considering him" approach. Vance doesn't count for the Rooney rule, because he's on our team.
The lawsuit itself is developed on the sincerity (or lack thereof) of previous interviews. Hell, the lawsuit's preliminary statement is based on a text message that implies bad faith in the hiring process. It's all a very dubious approach to hiring for any position, especially something this public.
What I think is he was quoted as saying something and he's said and done nothing to retract or go against that.
Panties in a twist? You're losing it, man. I have simply read the man's direct quotes and have noticed a lot of people haven't read them and are uninformed. It's not my fault you're actually informed and decided to the contrary. I honestly just thought you were misinformed.
We don't know it. We know he wants to be a HC, that's not going to happen.
If his options are OC (which might lead to HC next year) or enforced retirement why would he not choose to coach?
The "Only pursuing HC opportunities" was at the beginning of this cycle. It was a fair position to take. Now he knows that's not happening I'm sure his position will change.
Completely fair. For what it's worth, I haven't given you a hard time for any Flores take you've laid out.The Rooney rule sucks. Black coaches think it sucks. I don't blame them but that's a different topic.
Unless Mike and Monti got matching labotomies I just don't see how they would think it's a good idea to trying interview Flores twice for a job they aren't really interested in giving him when he's suing the league for exactly that.
Completely fair. For what it's worth, I haven't given you a hard time for any Flores take you've laid out.
I wanna make it clear - I think Flores had a chance, but like you alluded to, maybe a 3rd place chance.
I was thinking the same thing about staffing and 2nd interviewsI've been wondering if there 2nd interviews were about staff. It makes sense to me that the first interviews were about personality, fit, vision etc and that these 2nd interviews over zoom were about what staff they can put together.
Maybe Flores couldn't get the staff he liked? It's always been the biggest concern with him, so he took the DC job.
Sadly, yeah, that's still my suggestion. I kinda have three layers to my thoughts on it... one that he's a qualified black coach deserving of an interview, another that Bidwill is going through the motions because he's part of the good ol' boys club with league ownership, and in tandem with that - he might be placating the league's issues with the lawsuit. As I've also said... his franchise is responsible for 2/3rds of the complaints. I think that's unfair (claiming racial bias against the first team to have a black coach and GM seems sus), but it is what it is, and Flores comprised the final third of the lawsuit, as leader.Fair enough, it sounded like you were trying to suggest we were token interviewing him.
Sadly, yeah, that's still my suggestion. I kinda have three layers to my thoughts on it... one that he's a qualified black coach deserving of an interview, another that Bidwill is going through the motions because he's part of the good ol' boys club with league ownership, and in tandem with that - he might be placating the league's issues with the lawsuit. As I've also said... his franchise is responsible for 2/3rds of the complaints. I think that's unfair (claiming racial bias against the first team to have a black coach and GM seems sus), but it is what it is, and Flores comprised the final third of the lawsuit, as leader.
I kinda feel like we were rolling over backwards for him, and the Ossenfort connection made sense to keep going with it. This is just my perspective having seen too much corporate malfeasance though.
All totally fair points. It's 4 AM and I need to sleep, but I'm sure I'll come up with something I heavily disagree with you on later.I just think he's a high respected coach with a bright future that they liked. They interviewed him twice in 2018 so they liked him then too and that was before all the legal stuff.
I think the simple answer is they liked him, he had a shot but maybe not favorite and he took the sure thing with the DC job over the not sure thing. Maybe or maybe not influenced by issues putting a staff together.
Nelson??? Dude, the 80s want their metaphors back.Yo y'all... xanax.
Damn thread reads like a fangirl twitter feed after the lead singer from Nelson got a girlfriend none of them liked.
Wow, signing ----- would be a bold move!Enough negativity, I'm gonna be positive & say we'll have a HC at some point soon & his name will be ----- or ------- lol.