Cardinals Need a Mobile QB

[GatorAZ]

I don't think we need a mobile QB but we need a QB who doesn't have bricks for feet and can be accurate while rolling out. Kurt wasn't a great athlete but had surprisingly quick feet. Watching Palmer take a 5-7 step drop is sometimes painful.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I don't think we need a mobile QB but we need a QB who doesn't have bricks for feet and can be accurate while rolling out. Kurt wasn't a great athlete but had surprisingly quick feet. Watching Palmer take a 5-7 step drop is sometimes painful.

To an extent but Palmer is a lot better than what your describing, he actually had some plays towards the end of the season where he did roll out (it did not look pretty by any means lol) and made some pretty damn good throws to keep drives alive. Palmer is along the lines of Troy Aikman... he needs time

 

[football karma]

This! The Cardinals mass-protected [and the Seahawks blitzed] on the 3rd-down bomb to Michael Floyd that beat the Seahawks.

Bruce Arians is a play calling genius IMO, but without the horses upfront, his hands are tied when it comes to beating the NFC West defenses.

Jurecki just tweeted this thought -- and its spot on

Arians also talks about needing a true speed Wr to take the top off the defense --

and a speed guy that scares will cause Earl Thomas to drop deeper -- opening up that layer at 15 yards between dropping LBs and Thomas

 

[TJ]

Jurecki just tweeted this thought -- and its spot on



Arians also talks about needing a true speed Wr to take the top off the defense --



and a speed guy that scares will cause Earl Thomas to drop deeper -- opening up that layer at 15 yards between dropping LBs and Thomas

Sucks that Ryan Swope didn't pan out. Would've fit that role to a "T."

 

[Jetstream Green]

Sucks that Ryan Swope didn't pan out. Would've fit that role to a "T."

Not really, Swope was more quick than fast. Any forty time which might have been fast never translated to his football speed. He was crafty and quick on slants but not a speed burner to stretch the field by an means in my opinion. Marquise Goodwin would have fit that role

 

[Totally_Red]

Jurecki just tweeted this thought -- and its spot on

Arians also talks about needing a true speed Wr to take the top off the defense --

and a speed guy that scares will cause Earl Thomas to drop deeper -- opening up that layer at 15 yards between dropping LBs and Thomas

THE reason Indy beat the Hawks besides a good game from Andrew Luck, was the speed of T.Y. Hilton [and the ability of Reggie Wayne to get open in the intermediate zones]. Hilton blew by the Seahawk cornerbacks like a Maserati going by a Prius.

Seattle jumped on the Colts early and couldn't hold it because Indy had a genuine deep threat and a quarterback who could get the ball to him.

 

[Mitch]

THE reason Indy beat the Hawks besides a good game from Andrew Luck, was the speed of T.Y. Hilton [and the ability of Reggie Wayne to get open in the intermediate zones]. Hilton blew by the Seahawk cornerbacks like a Maserati going by a Prius.

Seattle jumped on the Colts early and couldn't hold it because Indy had a genuine deep threat and a quarterback who could get the ball to him.

And a QB in Andrew Luck who can use his feet to create extra time and who can scramble up field when the situation presents itself.

With a mobile QB, Larry Fitzgerald and Michael Floyd could put up bigger numbers because they would have those precious extra seconds to shake the coverage.

Last night, I thought Russell Wilson was the MVP. How many drives did he extend with his feet? Going 4 for 5 on 3rd down conversions early in the game was big. And, I thought the one where he reached the ball out for the first down marker was good. He is one cool cat.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

Hey, Mitch...EXCELLENT POINT...

I've been thinking today about what Russell Wilson said...I'm 5'11" so they say I can't do it...

BUT, a 5'11" "mobile" QB CAN get the job done.

However, a 5'11" "in-the-pocket" QB is going to struggle.

It'll be interesting to see if the Cards' front office picks up on this.
I don't think its' rocket-science.

MARK IN SC

 

[WildBB]

Not really, Swope was more quick than fast. Any forty time which might have been fast never translated to his football speed. He was crafty and quick on slants but not a speed burner to stretch the field by an means in my opinion. Marquise Goodwin would have fit that role

Not too much. But it's early.

http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster/Marquise-Goodwin/56d0fa9a-296f-4c64-a3cd-5115720e35a2

 

[Darkside]

If Denvers offensive had played worth a damn PM could have done some more .Denver5s O-line played awful and was manhandled by Seattles D-line.

I don't know about this, although I agree obviously it would have helped. Denver got mad YAC all year using those little screens and crossing patterns over the middle, but even when they completed them yesterday Seattle stopped them immediately and dumped them in the dirt. Virtually no YAC and very little separation even when they were "open". That's why Manning continually chucked up deep incompletions, in an attempt to stretch the D and provide some separation.

What I saw is that Seattle is just a much better team. In all phases--they won in every phase and scored on defense and special teams as well as offensively.

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[football karma]

I've been thinking today about what Russell Wilson said...I'm 5'11" so they say I can't do it...

BUT, a 5'11" "mobile" QB CAN get the job done.

However, a 5'11" "in-the-pocket" QB is going to struggle.

It'll be interesting to see if the Cards' front office picks up on this.
I don't think its' rocket-science.

MARK IN SC

I disagree

-Drew Brees

 

[Darkside]

It was the Seahawks D that won that game just as it was the Cards D that beat them in their house.

Early in the game the Broncos Oline was giving PM plenty of time and they still couldn't get anything going. Legion of Boom was playing lights out all game.

What concerns me is that the Seattle team we saw yesterday isn't the same team we played. They're better and now way more confident. I don't for a minute believe we're on that level yet.

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[CardNots]

What concerns me is that the Seattle team we saw yesterday isn't the same team we played. They're better and now way more confident. I don't for a minute believe we're on that level yet.

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Bullcrap

 

[Darkside]

No, Denver is soft. They got punched by a physical team. I will venture to say the Niners would have had the same ease with them and maybe even our very own Cardinals would have took them out. I don't buy that it was just a crap game for the Broncos, I was watching the play of the lines up front and it wasn't even a contest. I think Manning even realized that and it did not look he thought there was any realistic chance of beating them by his mannerisms

I agree with this. It was obvious how physically outmatched they were. Not only weren't they as big and strong as Seattle but they couldn't even match their speed. It was an epic beat down.

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[Jetstream Green]

To beat a team with a great defense. I think you have to have a tough defense yourself and forget about sustained drives by your offense...you just setting yourself up for more to go wrong. You let your defense have the slugfest and then hope your offense can get a few big plays in. That is what we did to them but it is tough. That is basically how the whole division is going to be like next season. I'm exited for next season but dread the close games to come lol

 

[GatorAZ]

To an extent but Palmer is a lot better than what your describing, he actually had some plays towards the end of the season where he did roll out (it did not look pretty by any means lol) and made some pretty damn good throws to keep drives alive. Palmer is along the lines of Troy Aikman... he needs time

I remember a nice play in Seattle dodging the blitz and completing a key third-down on the GW drive. Also remember him getting hit on a few drop backs where 90% of NFL quarterbacks would've planted their back foot and stepped up before contact. I was always surprised how quick Kurt's feet were even near the end. I swear he could shuffle faster than he could run lol.

 

[Bert]

QB does not have to be mobile he just has to have the mental capacity to make quick decisions. Kurt Warner and Tom Brady carved out pretty decent careers despite their lack of mobility.

If I were scouting QB's for the Cards I would put the ability to read defenses and make quick decisions way above mobility.

 

[Jetstream Green]

QB does not have to be mobile he just has to have the mental capacity to make quick decisions. Kurt Warner and Tom Brady carved out pretty decent careers despite their lack of mobility.

If I were scouting QB's for the Cards I would put the ability to read defenses and make quick decisions way above mobility.

And a quick silver release lol

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Jared Lorenzen can still move!

http://deadspin.com/jared-lorenzen-is-still-playing-quarterback-1515450948

 

[pacman]

We don't need a mobile QB. We need one that can extend plays.

 

[Duckjake]

Demarius Thomas is a really good wideout.

I don't know about that. He sure didn't look like a star WR. IMO he'd be lucky to be #3 on our team.

Of course now that I've written this he'll have a HOF career.

 

[GatorAZ]

We don't need a mobile QB. We need one that can extend plays.

Bingo. Don't need a great athlete but someone who can buy time when things break down.

 

[Jim Otis]

I'm greedy I want an O-Line that can extend plays , to go along with a QB that can extend plays.

 

[john h]

The Seahawks lost three games---2 to mobile QBs, the 3rd to the Cardinals.

The 49ers lost five games---4 to mobile QBs.

When Peyton Manning got handled the way he did last night---a stationary, immobile QB versus the Seahawks' pass rush plays right into their hands---and it puts no extra pressure on their line or secondary without the threat of a QB scrambling and/or extending plays. Otherwise they can just pin their ears back and expect the ball to come out within three seconds.

As much as one can admire Carson Palmer's toughness and the improvements he made this season---it's going to be very difficult to challenge in the NFC West without a mobile QB.

They are sort of hard to find Mitch. I think we have Palmer for two more years unless we get lucky and draft a QB around #5 or #6 who turns into a Wilson. We could try and get Mike Vick. He is about as mobile as they come but like many mobile QBs he took to many hits. Eventually mobile QBs will take a big hit. Manning looked terrible I agree but that does not negate all he has done over his career. Look at who you think were the 5 best QBs of all time and see how many of them were what you call mobile. Tarkenton was certainly mobile and very good. It may be that Seattle just has a big time defense like the old Bears. Our recent run to the Super Bowl was led by an imobile Kurt Warner. He could read defenses and get rid of the ball in the blink of an eye. He could rip a blitzing team up. We seem to have periods in the NFL where we have very good mobile QBs and years where the pocket QB is the star. It sort of all depends on who you have protecting you and how smart and good your receivers are.

 

[WildBB]

The Seahawks lost three games---2 to mobile QBs, the 3rd to the Cardinals.

The 49ers lost five games---4 to mobile QBs.

When Peyton Manning got handled the way he did last night---a stationary, immobile QB versus the Seahawks' pass rush plays right into their hands---and it puts no extra pressure on their line or secondary without the threat of a QB scrambling and/or extending plays. Otherwise they can just pin their ears back and expect the ball to come out within three seconds.

As much as one can admire Carson Palmer's toughness and the improvements he made this season---it's going to be very difficult to challenge in the NFC West without a mobile QB.

They are sort of hard to find Mitch. I think we have Palmer for two more years unless we get lucky and draft a QB around #5 or #6 who turns into a Wilson. We could try and get Mike Vick. He is about as mobile as they come but like many mobile QBs he took to many hits. Eventually mobile QBs will take a big hit. Manning looked terrible I agree but that does not negate all he has done over his career. Look at who you think were the 5 best QBs of all time and see how many of them were what you call mobile. Tarkenton was certainly mobile and very good. It may be that Seattle just has a big time defense like the old Bears. Our recent run to the Super Bowl was led by an imobile Kurt Warner. He could read defenses and get rid of the ball in the blink of an eye. He could rip a blitzing team up. We seem to have periods in the NFL where we have very good mobile QBs and years where the pocket QB is the star. It sort of all depends on who you have protecting you and how smart and good your receivers are.

There has been speculation in the local sports radio that Vick could work with Arians as a b/u to begin. He'd also be somewhat of a bargain now.

They'd go into the year with Palmer, Vick and Stanton. The situation just might be a fit for both sides. Veteran to a fairly veteran contending team.