Buckybird
Hoist the Lombardi Trophy
8-8, 9-7,10-6 = three of the best seasons in franchise history, what a sad commentary.
And appearing to head back on the downward spiral
So sad, but appears to be true.
8-8, 9-7,10-6 = three of the best seasons in franchise history, what a sad commentary.
I am so glad you brought up Lott's situation---because Lott's situation just furthers my case---
Last January when the assistant coaches contracts were up John Lott was so dis-spirited by the Cardinals' offer that he went and hired an agent.
Just like with Kurt Warner it wasn't until another team got involved and expressed interest in Lott, that the Cardinals upped their offer to him.
A Dan Bickley article on Lott's importance and Whiz's urging the FO helped as well.
The point is...when you are lowballed by your company...how does that make you feel?
It makes you feel taken advantage of...it makes you feel undervalued...it makes you feel demoralized.
This is EXACTLY why the Cardinals are a third world organization.
It wasn't until the 49ers (of all teams) rolled out the red carpet for Kurt Warner that the Cardinals upped the ante for him.
It's a passive resistive and parsimonious approach to business...and this, more than any other thing, has prompted the general disgruntledness among Cardinal employees.
It would have been another thing altogether if the Cardinals had come to Lott and said, hey we value the job you are doing so much we would like to pay you more than what any other S&C Coach earns, because you've earned it.
Instead they nickle and dime him.
But as we saw with Warner...that kind of treatment sticks with you. Even though you wound up with a contract that was better than what they offered, you feel exasperated that it had to occur in the manner in which it did.
The top 100 play callers of all time, at one point in their life, had never called a play in their life.
I won't argue this, because that has been my biggest complaint with Whiz so far. But it's about far more than experience. Romeo and Charlie were both incredibly successful coordinators previously. Billy Davis was experienced, he just had experience sucking. I am excited about Horton, and hope he can make a difference.
This blows me away. The guy helps the Cardinals have 3 of the best seasons in franchise history, and instead of appreciate it, we find a way to have a 10,000 word diatribe on how worthless he is. It's embarrassing. We find a way to give him zero credit. It's especially funny that it's the same people who captained the "In Whiz I Trust!" ship just a year ago, and one poor season after losing a hall of fame QB, they go back and find excuses for all of the success that we enjoyed. Unbelievable.
Last January when the assistant coaches contracts were up John Lott was so dis-spirited by the Cardinals' offer that he went and hired an agent.
It's a passive resistive and parsimonious approach to business...and this, more than any other thing, has prompted the general disgruntledness among Cardinal employees.
Mitch-----I feel for you buddy. This is one of your best posts ever, yet you are being vilified mercilessly by those who can't seem to understand that there is something flawed in an organization when it; l. fails to recognize, (and or value, or to properly use), real talent when it has it, and 2. Has never, EVER, understood that the overwhelming majority of successful owners have one more or less common trait, (having wealth, or inheriting a football team, does not make them football smart). Therefore MOST successful teams hire the one necessary ingredient that makes them successful, A FOOTBALL SAVVY G.M. The only time that the Cardinals have done this in recent history, was when they hired Denney Green as H.C. and G.M. While he was very good at being a GM, he was a terrible handler of coaches and players as a HC, and thus did not value the talent that he brought into this organization.
As nice a person and family patriarch as Bill Bidwill is, he will never be a wize football mind. As nice a person as Michael Bidwill is, and as good a businessman and politically savvy mover and shaker that he has become in the state of Arizona, and despite the fact that he is an attorney and a pilot, he is not a great football mind. The biggest failing of this family has been their unwillingness to put the football operations of this franchise into the hands of a true football GM, and stay out of his way when it comes to handling football operations.
Sadly, until they manage to fix this singular organizational flaw, this franchise is almost surely destined to be ALWAYS missing out on what should have been done, (or needs to be done), and will continue to go about its business in a fumbling, bumbling manner.
I get that you get this-----its too bad that the family doesn't get it.
Mitch-----I feel for you buddy. This is one of your best posts ever, yet you are being vilified mercilessly by those who can't seem to understand that there is something flawed in an organization when it; l. fails to recognize, (and or value, or to properly use), real talent when it has it, and 2. Has never, EVER, understood that the overwhelming majority of successful owners have one more or less common trait, (having wealth, or inheriting a football team, does not make them football smart). Therefore MOST successful teams hire the one necessary ingredient that makes them successful, A FOOTBALL SAVVY G.M. The only time that the Cardinals have done this in recent history, was when they hired Denney Green as H.C. and G.M. While he was very good at being a GM, he was a terrible handler of coaches and players as a HC, and thus did not value the talent that he brought into this organization.
As nice a person and family patriarch as Bill Bidwill is, he will never be a wize football mind. As nice a person as Michael Bidwill is, and as good a businessman and politically savvy mover and shaker that he has become in the state of Arizona, and despite the fact that he is an attorney and a pilot, he is not a great football mind. The biggest failing of this family has been their unwillingness to put the football operations of this franchise into the hands of a true football GM, and stay out of his way when it comes to handling football operations.
Sadly, until they manage to fix this singular organizational flaw, this franchise is almost surely destined to be ALWAYS missing out on what should have been done, (or needs to be done), and will continue to go about its business in a fumbling, bumbling manner.
I get that you get this-----its too bad that the family doesn't get it.
Mitch-----I feel for you buddy. This is one of your best posts ever, yet you are being vilified mercilessly by those who can't seem to understand that there is something flawed in an organization when it; l. fails to recognize, (and or value, or to properly use), real talent when it has it, and 2. Has never, EVER, understood that the overwhelming majority of successful owners have one more or less common trait, (having wealth, or inheriting a football team, does not make them football smart). Therefore MOST successful teams hire the one necessary ingredient that makes them successful, A FOOTBALL SAVVY G.M. The only time that the Cardinals have done this in recent history, was when they hired Denney Green as H.C. and G.M. While he was very good at being a GM, he was a terrible handler of coaches and players as a HC, and thus did not value the talent that he brought into this organization.
As nice a person and family patriarch as Bill Bidwill is, he will never be a wize football mind. As nice a person as Michael Bidwill is, and as good a businessman and politically savvy mover and shaker that he has become in the state of Arizona, and despite the fact that he is an attorney and a pilot, he is not a great football mind. The biggest failing of this family has been their unwillingness to put the football operations of this franchise into the hands of a true football GM, and stay out of his way when it comes to handling football operations.
Sadly, until they manage to fix this singular organizational flaw, this franchise is almost surely destined to be ALWAYS missing out on what should have been done, (or needs to be done), and will continue to go about its business in a fumbling, bumbling manner.
I get that you get this-----its too bad that the family doesn't get it.
Mitch-----I feel for you buddy. This is one of your best posts ever, yet you are being vilified mercilessly by those who can't seem to understand that there is something flawed in an organization when it; l. fails to recognize, (and or value, or to properly use), real talent when it has it, and 2. Has never, EVER, understood that the overwhelming majority of successful owners have one more or less common trait, (having wealth, or inheriting a football team, does not make them football smart). Therefore MOST successful teams hire the one necessary ingredient that makes them successful, A FOOTBALL SAVVY G.M. The only time that the Cardinals have done this in recent history, was when they hired Denney Green as H.C. and G.M. While he was very good at being a GM, he was a terrible handler of coaches and players as a HC, and thus did not value the talent that he brought into this organization.
As nice a person and family patriarch as Bill Bidwill is, he will never be a wize football mind. As nice a person as Michael Bidwill is, and as good a businessman and politically savvy mover and shaker that he has become in the state of Arizona, and despite the fact that he is an attorney and a pilot, he is not a great football mind. The biggest failing of this family has been their unwillingness to put the football operations of this franchise into the hands of a true football GM, and stay out of his way when it comes to handling football operations.
Sadly, until they manage to fix this singular organizational flaw, this franchise is almost surely destined to be ALWAYS missing out on what should have been done, (or needs to be done), and will continue to go about its business in a fumbling, bumbling manner.
I get that you get this-----its too bad that the family doesn't get it.
Meanwhile, the Rams have already acquired the most talented QB in this division and they have a HC who has their players playing competitively every game.
This right here makes me sick to remember the poor effort for those games. The team was totally ill prepared and we made very little if any adjustments..
We lost to all three rivals at U of P this year and lost badly---they weren't even competitive games. And it wasn't just the QB who stunk---it was the totally lame effort of the defense and the offensive line.
Mitch-----I feel for you buddy. This is one of your best posts ever, yet you are being vilified mercilessly by those who can't seem to understand that there is something flawed in an organization when it; l. fails to recognize, (and or value, or to properly use), real talent when it has it, and 2. Has never, EVER, understood that the overwhelming majority of successful owners have one more or less common trait, (having wealth, or inheriting a football team, does not make them football smart). Therefore MOST successful teams hire the one necessary ingredient that makes them successful, A FOOTBALL SAVVY G.M. The only time that the Cardinals have done this in recent history, was when they hired Denney Green as H.C. and G.M. While he was very good at being a GM, he was a terrible handler of coaches and players as a HC, and thus did not value the talent that he brought into this organization.
As nice a person and family patriarch as Bill Bidwill is, he will never be a wize football mind. As nice a person as Michael Bidwill is, and as good a businessman and politically savvy mover and shaker that he has become in the state of Arizona, and despite the fact that he is an attorney and a pilot, he is not a great football mind. The biggest failing of this family has been their unwillingness to put the football operations of this franchise into the hands of a true football GM, and stay out of his way when it comes to handling football operations.
Sadly, until they manage to fix this singular organizational flaw, this franchise is almost surely destined to be ALWAYS missing out on what should have been done, (or needs to be done), and will continue to go about its business in a fumbling, bumbling manner.
I get that you get this-----its too bad that the family doesn't get it.
The thing that gets to me about this organization is that they always seem to lose players while they are in their prime and sign players either past their prime or ones that never had a prime. If talent continues to move in that direction, this franchise will continue to be the same old Cardinals.
I am so glad you brought up Lott's situation---because Lott's situation just furthers my case---
Last January when the assistant coaches contracts were up John Lott was so dis-spirited by the Cardinals' offer that he went and hired an agent.
Just like with Kurt Warner it wasn't until another team got involved and expressed interest in Lott, that the Cardinals upped their offer to him.
A Dan Bickley article on Lott's importance and Whiz's urging the FO helped as well.
The point is...when you are lowballed by your company...how does that make you feel?
It makes you feel taken advantage of...it makes you feel undervalued...it makes you feel demoralized.
This is EXACTLY why the Cardinals are a third world organization.
It wasn't until the 49ers (of all teams) rolled out the red carpet for Kurt Warner that the Cardinals upped the ante for him.
It's a passive resistive and parsimonious approach to business...and this, more than any other thing, has prompted the general disgruntledness among Cardinal employees.
It would have been another thing altogether if the Cardinals had come to Lott and said, hey we value the job you are doing so much we would like to pay you more than what any other S&C Coach earns, because you've earned it.
Instead they nickle and dime him.
But as we saw with Warner...that kind of treatment sticks with you. Even though you wound up with a contract that was better than what they offered, you feel exasperated that it had to occur in the manner in which it did.
You have to remember, catfish, that we can agree to some of the commentary, without agreeing to all. I can not like a presidential candidate overall, but like some of his policies, or vice versa. If I could choose a GM, it definitely wouldn't be Graves, if I could choose an owner, it wouldn't be the Bidwells, but that doesn't mean I disagree with the way they handle every single situation. I think sometimes we get too emotional in our dislike of executives that we begin to take some things out of context.
Binkar, While I completely respect your point of view, I do really love the Bidwills. No one in the league takes this franchise more seriously than they do. I just find it extremely frustrating that they cannot see that EVERY attempt that they have made to fix the team, has come up short since they were in Chicago. The only thing that they have not done so far, is to hire a REAL FOOTBALL GM, and then let him build a coaching staff, and develop a plan to produce winning football. (I don't mean by this that they hire a GM/Coach), but just a pure GM. They have done the combo thing twice in the past 15 years and it backfired both with Buddy Ryan, and with Denney Green. It seems that the egos involved always short-change one or the other functions of their jobs.
I think that Rod Graves is a really nice man, and is probably considered as close to being family as anyone in the organization. He is NOT, however, a fully functioning GM. He is way to nice a guy to be a GM, (whose duties
include being able to separate the wheat from the chaff), and to get rid of the chaff. What is needed here, is a man with vision, who can develop a plan, and identify the people he needs to implement that plan, both as coaches and as players. That man also needs to be quick to make decisions, and fast acting, (none of which applies to Graves). That being done, he needs to have the authority to spend the money to procure these people, and then he needs to have the authority to demand their strict adherence to the plan. That is what this franchise lacks. Its efforts to right the ship are disjointed, and hap-hazard, and the right hand often obstructs what the left hand should be doing.
Catfish, I couldn't agree more. I guess I just get frustrated when people fail to acknowledge a single positive things a person does, because they don' like the person as a whole. As I said, I could think of a number of GMs I would rather have than Graves, but his body of work isn't 100% failure. I understand the Graves complaints far more than I do the Whiz complaints. I just want people to give Whiz a chance to bounce back before they call for his canning.
I am so glad you brought up Lott's situation---because Lott's situation just furthers my case---
Last January when the assistant coaches contracts were up John Lott was so dis-spirited by the Cardinals' offer that he went and hired an agent.
Just like with Kurt Warner it wasn't until another team got involved and expressed interest in Lott, that the Cardinals upped their offer to him.
A Dan Bickley article on Lott's importance and Whiz's urging the FO helped as well.
The point is...when you are lowballed by your company...how does that make you feel?
It makes you feel taken advantage of...it makes you feel undervalued...it makes you feel demoralized.
This is EXACTLY why the Cardinals are a third world organization.
It wasn't until the 49ers (of all teams) rolled out the red carpet for Kurt Warner that the Cardinals upped the ante for him.
It's a passive resistive and parsimonious approach to business...and this, more than any other thing, has prompted the general disgruntledness among Cardinal employees.
It would have been another thing altogether if the Cardinals had come to Lott and said, hey we value the job you are doing so much we would like to pay you more than what any other S&C Coach earns, because you've earned it.
Instead they nickle and dime him.
But as we saw with Warner...that kind of treatment sticks with you. Even though you wound up with a contract that was better than what they offered, you feel exasperated that it had to occur in the manner in which it did.