Cardinals Over Under 8.5 2025 Season

[dreamcastrocks]

An easy stay away line for me. Bet the over if it hits 7.5 and the under if it hits 9.5.

Also, betting win totals before you see the actual schedule is not a great idea.

I dunno. I think I am going to put some money on the over for the Giants. 4.5 seems like a low number. Russ and Jameis will give you 5 wins I believe.

 

[MadCardDisease]

8.5 of 17 is literally .500

pardon me for not celebrating predictions of mediocrity but i do not disagree with where the bar has been set

It's a betting line not a prediction. Just means that most betters are currently placing money somewhere between 8 and 9 wins for the Cardinals this season.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I dunno. I think I am going to put some money on the over for the Giants. 4.5 seems like a low number. Russ and Jameis will give you 5 wins I believe.

idk - looks like tank mode to me arch manning sweepstakes

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It's a betting line not a prediction. Just means that most betters are currently placing money somewhere between 8 and 9 wins for the Cardinals this season.

Well, yes and no. There were no win totals announced before yesterday so people couldn't bet on the number of wins. The line is designed to have people bet evenly on both sides so the house always wins.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

idk - looks like tank mode to me arch manning sweepstakes

That's the only way the line makes sense. Maybe Arch won't play for New York... lol

 

[BirdGangThing]

It's a betting line not a prediction. Just means that most betters are currently placing money somewhere between 8 and 9 wins for the Cardinals this season.

im sticking with 8.5 man

8 wins 8 losses and a tie that'll probably keep us out of the wildcard - you know why they call it the wildcard?

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fun fact - it has nothing to do with poker - the cardinals have been so historically atrocious the nfl had to introduce a new way to try and get them in the playoffs - that's why it's not called a wildhawk - wildram - or wildniner - because they can all make the playoffs

 

[ASUCHRIS]

But that fact that you feel that Monti should have done more is irrelevant (I feel the same).

The team is going to be better and the schedule is much easier.

That impacts the record no matter how disappointed you are with Monti

A lot of assumptions here - there are any number of things that could happen. You're far too confident in this case that an improvement is assured.

 

[BACH]

A lot of assumptions here - there are any number of things that could happen. You're far too confident in this case that an improvement is assured.

My assumptions are way way more probably than yours.

DR and BJ returning. 16 players that contributed as 1st and 2nd year players. Are you really serious when you say that it’s more likely that DR and BJ returning and 16 young player now developing is more realistic than DR and BJ having and improved impact and some of the 16 players that already showed they have a role in the NFL developing for the better?

You do realize that when you say that you cannot count on any improvement you are saying:
- DR brings zero improvement when returning healthy
- BJ brings zero improvement when returning healthy
- Reiman was a monster as a blocking TE and will not improve as a receiving threat
- MHJ - a generational talent will not improve
- DTD already looked close to elite - zero impact with more playing time
- Adams will not improve in pass protection
- Melton had’s elite games and below average games. Zero improvements and the consistency will not improve!
- PJJ is already a good LT and will not develop despite every single OT in league usually breaks through in their 3rd year

 

[kerouac9]

Your positions on the division being weaker and schedule being better isn't based on anything Monti did.

This was clearly true last offseason also, and the results were a third-place finish because SFO imploded.

 

[kerouac9]

21 draft picks over two years and only 2 player that weren’t limited by injury have not contributed to the team. That’s 19 players. Are you saying that there will be no improvement when injured players return and the rest get more experience - for 19 players!

I don't think that the development of Kei'Trel Clark, Jon Gaines, and Owen Pappoe (to name few) are really going to impact the team's win/loss record.

Also, how much marginal improvement do you expect from PJJ, Garrett Williams, Dante Stills, and Michael Wilson? Those guys are already major contributors, and you've asserted that PJJ and Garrett Williams are already among the elite at their positions.

The case for big Cards improvement from young players is that Beej comes back much stronger from the last time we saw him (which was him getting zero sacks and three pressures over the last six games of his rookie season), Darius Robinson shows why he was a first-round pick, and Marvin Harrison Junior matures from WR26 in fantasy (using this as a rough heuristic for positional rating since it covers three dimensions) to like WR12.

The schedule is much easier. Fact. 49ers and Seahawks are worse than last year. AFC and NFC south instead of NFC north and AFC East

That's actually a PROJECTION right now. It seems much easier. Are the 49ers worse than the 6-11 team they were last year? Maybe, but they're probably about the same.

The NFC South and AFC East certainly look bad right now, but you don't have to squint hard to see the Falcons competing for 10 or more wins and the Panthers getting to .500, same with the Jags and maybe Titans.

I dunno. I think I am going to put some money on the over for the Giants. 4.5 seems like a low number. Russ and Jameis will give you 5 wins I believe.

Jeez. Jameis was 2-5 as a starter last year.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

My assumptions are way way more probably than yours.

DR and BJ returning. 16 players that contributed as 1st and 2nd year players. Are you really serious when you say that it’s more likely that DR and BJ returning and 16 young player now developing is more realistic than DR and BJ having and improved impact and some of the 16 players that already showed they have a role in the NFL developing for the better?

You do realize that when you say that you cannot count on any improvement you are saying:
- DR brings zero improvement when returning healthy
- BJ brings zero improvement when returning healthy
- Reiman was a monster as a blocking TE and will not improve as a receiving threat
- MHJ - a generational talent will not improve
- DTD already looked close to elite - zero impact with more playing time
- Adams will not improve in pass protection
- Melton had’s elite games and below average games. Zero improvements and the consistency will not improve!
- PJJ is already a good LT and will not develop despite every single OT in league usually breaks through in their 3rd year

You're not understanding what I'm saying. You're assuming all of the above happens, and the odds of that are incredibly unlikely. Improvement is not always guaranteed, and bad things can happen.

You think that over 8.5 wins is a foregone conclusion. I think that's way too assumptive.

 

[AZCB34]

I'm betting the house on the over. If we can't weasel our way to 9 stinking wins with an easy schedule, a weakened West, and a MID NFC, then I give the hell up on this entire franchise. (hyperbole of course, but you guys get my point)

Please show us a betting slip for the median house prices for your area

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Jeez. Jameis was 2-5 as a starter last year.

Russ won 5 or 6 in a row before the wheels fell off. But even W/L for Jameis tracks to 4.5 wins on the season. I think they hit the over here.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That's actually a PROJECTION right now. It seems much easier. Are the 49ers worse than the 6-11 team they were last year? Maybe, but they're probably about the same.

11.5 O/U for the 49ers? The under here seems like the easiest of all the bets. They lost a lot of talent this year.

 

[kerouac9]

- DTD already looked close to elite - zero impact with more playing time

Bruh let's all calm down here.

 

[kerouac9]

11.5 O/U for the 49ers? The under here seems like the easiest of all the bets. They lost a lot of talent this year.

That seems like a crazy number right now, but I'm also not a professional handicapper. These guys know more than us.

I'm arguing with the fact that the 2025 49ers are likely to be worse than the 2024 edition. The 2024 49ers lead the league in Adjusted Games Lost for injury; Purdy, Aiyuk, CMC, and Kittle pack a lot of punch. All those players they lost didn't do much to prevent the 2024 49ers from being the 29th ranked scoring defense in the NFL.

 

[Chopper0080]

11.5 O/U for the 49ers? The under here seems like the easiest of all the bets. They lost a lot of talent this year.

It does seem high, but what talent have they really lost? Chavarius Ward is arguably the best player they lost and he only played 63% of snaps last year. People on here say Deebo is washed. Aaron Banks was a good OG but not great. Leonard Floyd played 56% of snaps. Jason Hargrave...hardly knew him. Dre Greenlaw...played 3% of snaps and is an off ball LB. They need to add bodies along the OL, DL, maybe a RB, and in the secondary but the draft sets up well for some of that. Pearsall, Aiyuk, Robinson and Jennings is still a good WR core. Still have Kittle and CMC. Still Juice. Still Trent and Puni and McKivitz. On defense Bosa and Warner still there.

All that said, I think I would also take the under.

 

[BACH]

You're not understanding what I'm saying. You're assuming all of the above happens, and the odds of that are incredibly unlikely. Improvement is not always guaranteed, and bad things can happen.

You think that over 8.5 wins is a foregone conclusion. I think that's way too assumptive.

No. I’m not assuming that all 19 picks pan out.

What I’m saying is that it way more realistic that between 1-19 players develop instead of zero development from all 19

 

[BACH]

A lot of assumptions here - there are any number of things that could happen. You're far too confident in this case that an improvement is assured.

How is that the only factor??? The entire thread is about total wins.

Multiple factors play into that, not just the one you dictate

 

[Goldfield]

Don't understand what argument, that the Cards didn't do a ton with the resources they had in the offseason? Did you expect them to get more credit than the 9th most improved team?

Your positions on the division being weaker and schedule being better isn't based on anything Monti did.

Sure, some of the young players *should* improve, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I agree, it was an ok offseason, but I think many of us were expecting more, especially after basically wasting the last 2 seasons.

Good luck on betting the over, I wouldn't touch it.

I find it interesting that you wouldn’t count on some of the young player improving.

 

[BACH]

I don't think that the development of Kei'Trel Clark, Jon Gaines, and Owen Pappoe (to name few) are really going to impact the team's win/loss record.

Also, how much marginal improvement do you expect from PJJ, Garrett Williams, Dante Stills, and Michael Wilson? Those guys are already major contributors, and you've asserted that PJJ and Garrett Williams are already among the elite at their positions.

The case for big Cards improvement from young players is that Beej comes back much stronger from the last time we saw him (which was him getting zero sacks and three pressures over the last six games of his rookie season), Darius Robinson shows why he was a first-round pick, and Marvin Harrison Junior matures from WR26 in fantasy (using this as a rough heuristic for positional rating since it covers three dimensions) to like WR12.

You are basicly making my point with this.

Of the 21 players some will not pan out. And I 100% agree that Clark, Gaines, Pappoe and WR Palmer are the most likely candidates. QB Tune is a huge ?

BJO and DR were high draft picks that contributed nothing due to injury. I absolutely expect an impact from both - especially when the baseline is 0. Add CB Jones to that list.

9 of 10 Elite OTs do not reach their level until their 3rd year. I expect MHJ to develop. For both, we do not know if that means all-pro level. But I certainly expect PJJ to move up from his 12th ranking and MHJ from his 21st ranking.

You are probably right that Stills will not develop further

That leaves 10 additional players + Higgins, CB Thomas and WR Xavier. Yeah, I absolutely expect to see a leap forward from some of those 13 players

Melton showed he belongs, but had great games and terrible games. I expect more consistency and a higher floor.

Reiman and Adams showed elite capability in one aspect of the game, but struggled in the other aspect. I expect Reiman to be more involved in the passing game and Adams to develop in pass-pro.

I expect DTD to take over and be an improvement from Thompson's play last year.

I expect Higgins to mature as he has not played TE that long.

Christian Jones showed improvement from Pre-season to end of the season when he was forced into action. I expect that to continue.

 

[oaken1]

You are basicly making my point with this.

Of the 21 players some will not pan out. And I 100% agree that Clark, Gaines, Pappoe and WR Palmer are the most likely candidates. QB Tune is a huge ?

BJO and DR were high draft picks that contributed nothing due to injury. I absolutely expect an impact from both - especially when the baseline is 0. Add CB Jones to that list.

9 of 10 Elite OTs do not reach their level until their 3rd year. I expect MHJ to develop. For both, we do not know if that means all-pro level. But I certainly expect PJJ to move up from his 12th ranking and MHJ from his 21st ranking.

You are probably right that Stills will not develop further

That leaves 10 additional players + Higgins, CB Thomas and WR Xavier. Yeah, I absolutely expect to see a leap forward from some of those 13 players

Melton showed he belongs, but had great games and terrible games. I expect more consistency and a higher floor.

Reiman and Adams showed elite capability in one aspect of the game, but struggled in the other aspect. I expect Reiman to be more involved in the passing game and Adams to develop in pass-pro.

I expect DTD to take over and be an improvement from Thompson's play last year.

I expect Higgins to mature as he has not played TE that long.

Christian Jones showed improvement from Pre-season to end of the season when he was forced into action. I expect that to continue.

reasonable expectations

 

[kerouac9]

9 of 10 Elite OTs do not reach their level until their 3rd year

Second time you’ve tossed this out there. What’s the factual basis for this??

 

[CardNots]

Second time you’ve tossed this out there. What’s the factual basis for this??

Interesting the “their level” notation. If we are talking about elite status my guess would be a Top tier asset by their late second contract.

By their 3 contract they are very experienced and are the strength/technique level needed to be elite.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I find it interesting that you wouldn’t count on some of the young player improving.

"Sure, some of the young players *should* improve, but I wouldn't bet on it."