Cardinals QB Logan Thomas, a fourth-round project in 2014, could be out of a job soon

[82CardsGrad]

He played better than expected tonight.

Sims didn't HAVE to run for his life, he simply needs to learn how to step up into the pocket. He dropped too deep, IMO, and didn't move forward, but laterally. His feet were way too happy. He does throw well on the run, however, but his footwork in the pocket sucks.

Logan didn't know how to use a pocket last year either, but this game he was very good at feeling the pocket and stepping up into it. And frankly, he has never really looked good out there. This was EASILY the best I've seen him play from a mechanics standpoint.

I expected to feel the opposite way, but unless Sims shows he knows how to operate within a pocket, even one that is closing, we should give Logan the rest of the reps in preseason games 3 and 4 and hope he becomes a decent backup, with eyes on the draft next year.

Sims is more pipe than LT.

Oh, and I think that Wolf is dating LT or something..man needs to lay off on the hyperbole and constant praise of a throw you are supposed to make as an NFL QB.

All of those... [emoji106]

 

[TJ]

TJ, indeed LT would be on the team, if it were a one game audition. That is why you have to reverse the order and play Sims first, so you can get a more accurate comparison.

And I'm fine with that. Like I said, I'm not a fan of either QB, but one has to stand out eventually. My gut says Logan will be #3 simply because of experience in the system and rapport with the team. I don't think Sims from a talent standpoint is good enough to thwart Logan, but if he does, I'll give Logan a free ride to Sky Harbor and even pay his baggage fees.

 

[TJ]

Cardinals QB Logan Thomas, a fourth-round project in 2014, could be out of a ...

BTW---aren't you all glad that we're bickering about who our #3 QB is going to be? Wasn't long ago the arguments on the board were about who was going to start Week 1.

 

[Paso Fino]

Sims reminds me of Russell Wilson

 

[Dude]

Sims didn't HAVE to run for his life.

I must have been at a different stadium.

Sims reminds me of Russell Wilson

I was thinking that at the game. Maybe just that game but it looked good to me.

 

[D-Dogg]

I must have been at a different stadium.

Doesn't matter what stadium you were in. When you STAY deep in the pocket, and don't step up into it, you are going to have to run for your life. When DEs get deep and close in on you, moving up in the pocket is what you are supposed to do. Tackles will move a guy deep. Sims just stood there, let the pressure come and then escaped laterally. Sign of a bad pocket awareness.

Two or three steps up, and that pressure is behind you, and you are stepping up into your throws. This is QB 101 stuff and last year Logan Thomas did exactly the same thing...stand there looking derp and not stepping up. Most bad QBs do this. This was one of Kevin Kolb's most common errors, and he literally ran INTO sacks several times because he wouldn't step up into the pocket.

The only difference here is that Sims can throw really well on the run; but that isn't BA's offense.

 

[D-Dogg]

Sims reminds me of Russell Wilson

Similar in breakdown scenarios, but Wilson is 20 times the QB in the pocket (which is not his strong suit).

No QB is more dangerous when a play is broken than Russell Wilson. He is a magician when you go off script, sandlot style. If you look at the last games we had against them, the big daggers were all off broken plays.

 

[D-Dogg]

BTW---aren't you all glad that we're bickering about who our #3 QB is going to be? Wasn't long ago the arguments on the board were about who was going to start Week 1.

Yep!!

 

[Dude]

Doesn't matter what stadium you were in. When you STAY deep in the pocket, and don't step up into it, you are going to have to run for your life. When DEs get deep and close in on you, moving up in the pocket is what you are supposed to do. Tackles will move a guy deep. Sims just stood there, let the pressure come and then escaped laterally. Sign of a bad pocket awareness.

Two or three steps up, and that pressure is behind you, and you are stepping up into your throws. This is QB 101 stuff and last year Logan Thomas did exactly the same thing...stand there looking derp and not stepping up. Most bad QBs do this. This was one of Kevin Kolb's most common errors, and he literally ran INTO sacks several times because he wouldn't step up into the pocket.

The only difference here is that Sims can throw really well on the run; but that isn't BA's offense.

He didn't IMO have a pocket to step up into. Even his TD pass with out a free rusher he had to roll out to make the pass. The line was getting pushed back. You can't step up into a wall.

 

[Chopper0080]

I thought Logan Thomas looked more like a backup QB than Sims. He made decent reads, and made throws that he was supposed to make. He wasn't anything special, but he looked like a guy who could execute a game plan if needed.

Sins looked like an athlete and not much more IMO. He reminded me of Manziel TBH. A guy who is looking more to move than stand and deliver a ball.

It is a one game snap shot, but I would guess Arians would go with Thomas over Sims at this point.

 

[Dude]

It is nice to be able to talk about the 3 spot and not the 1. I look at it like this. I don't think getting a QB with low accuracy to get much better. How many good pocket starting QB's are there out of 32 teams let alone the third.

I think you have a much better shot at making a Wilson "type" or a Kap type QB than even a Flacco type QB. I'm not sold on Sims but I still think we have a better shot of getting something out of him than Thomas.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The only difference here is that Sims can throw really well on the run; but that isn't BA's offense.

Sims made exactly one good throw on the run yesterday. Most of the throws when he was forced from the pocket, he was terrible. It was only one game, but color me not impressed.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It is nice to be able to talk about the 3 spot and not the 1. I look at it like this. I don't think getting a QB with low accuracy to get much better. How many good pocket starting QB's are there out of 32 teams let alone the third.

I think you have a much better shot at making a Wilson "type" or a Kap type QB than even a Flacco type QB. I'm not sold on Sims but I still think we have a better shot of getting something out of him than Thomas.

They are almost the exact same guy. (Thomas and Sims)

Logan to see seems like a guy that can't practice for nothing, but actually can make a play or two on gamedays.

 

[Dude]

They are almost the exact same guy. (Thomas and Sims)

Logan to see seems like a guy that can't practice for nothing, but actually can make a play or two on gamedays.

Zero points yesterday when did he make plays that matter? Why was he moved to 4th string with almost a year in last season? Time to see the next guy IMHO. Sims is better than Chuck Norris.

 

[TJ]

Seems like a lot of people who are just asking for anyone but Logan Thomas.

What has Sims done to demonstrate he's a better QB than Thomas at this point? So far, the reports have been that the two are virtually neck-and-neck because of equally erratic throwing. Also, I highly doubt many on here have watched any Winston-Salem games. The difference between the two is Logan has more than a year in the system and familiarity with the coaches and players. That would mean that Philip Sims would have to be undoubtedly better than Logan Thomas, and so far, that's not the case; especially after Sims went 3-12 yesterday.

 

[Shaggy]

LT will be the 3rd qb and Simms will be on the PS.

 

[Darkside]

Sims and Thomas are equally bad.

Every "good" play Sims made was a broken play, mostly broken by himself. He has better mechanics as a running QB (stopping and planting his feet and squaring his hips for a throw) than as a pocket passer (refusing to even once step up into the pocket and electing to move outside the tackles). He doesn't come close to fitting any BA type of system, I have to believe he's a motivational project created from BA's mind and meant to influence Thomas.

Thomas did well, in my opinion, but is never going to be more than a backup or 3rd string. Thomas showed some decent footwork when he worked up into the pocket, but terrible footwork coming out of center. It's obvious he doesn't know his drops, from 5 to 7, no clue. He appears to know the space he's supposed to create but whether it takes 5 or 7 to create that space is entirely up to his imagination apparently. He also made some decent reads and at least pretended to survey the field. His problem is accuracy. He doesn't put it where guys can make plays with the ball. And since the receivers have no clue where the ball is coming they're not as ready to make moves upfield, they're just hoping it's catchable. The bounce INT is on the receiver, sure, but when you're 10 feet away and you don't know if he's going to throw it high right shoulder, left shoulder, gut, into the dirt, over your head, when you don't know that, you're just hoping to catch it, you can't even plan a move in that split second decision.

Bottom line is both guys suck. Can Logan be a 3? Maybe, who knows. But Sims isn't the guy, he doesn't even fit what BA wants to do.

 

[Dude]

Seems like a lot of people who are just asking for anyone but Logan Thomas.

What has Sims done to demonstrate he's a better QB than Thomas at this point? So far, the reports have been that the two are virtually neck-and-neck because of equally erratic throwing. Also, I highly doubt many on here have watched any Winston-Salem games. The difference between the two is Logan has more than a year in the system and familiarity with the coaches and players. That would mean that Philip Sims would have to be undoubtedly better than Logan Thomas, and so far, that's not the case; especially after Sims went 3-12 yesterday.

You would think he would be a lot better. Stats don't tell the whole story. The two tackles on Momah would have gave him 40 more yards and two less in competitions and two more completions alone. Thomas had an easy pick dropped so goes football. I will say anyone but Thomas whats the point we already know he stinks.

 

[Shaggy]

You would think he would be a lot better. Stats don't tell the whole story. The two tackles on Momah would have gave him 40 more yards and two less in competitions and two more completions alone. Thomas had an easy pick dropped so goes football. I will say anyone but Thomas whats the point we already know he stinks.

Yep last year he did, but this last game, he do some much more then he ever has in this first preseason game then he did all year. Yes, I know he played well last year in preseason, but this latest game, he seemed to be night and day better then last year.

 

[D-Dogg]

Sims and Thomas are equally bad.

Every "good" play Sims made was a broken play, mostly broken by himself. He has better mechanics as a running QB (stopping and planting his feet and squaring his hips for a throw) than as a pocket passer (refusing to even once step up into the pocket and electing to move outside the tackles). He doesn't come close to fitting any BA type of system, I have to believe he's a motivational project created from BA's mind and meant to influence Thomas.

Thomas did well, in my opinion, but is never going to be more than a backup or 3rd string. Thomas showed some decent footwork when he worked up into the pocket, but terrible footwork coming out of center. It's obvious he doesn't know his drops, from 5 to 7, no clue. He appears to know the space he's supposed to create but whether it takes 5 or 7 to create that space is entirely up to his imagination apparently. He also made some decent reads and at least pretended to survey the field. His problem is accuracy. He doesn't put it where guys can make plays with the ball. And since the receivers have no clue where the ball is coming they're not as ready to make moves upfield, they're just hoping it's catchable. The bounce INT is on the receiver, sure, but when you're 10 feet away and you don't know if he's going to throw it high right shoulder, left shoulder, gut, into the dirt, over your head, when you don't know that, you're just hoping to catch it, you can't even plan a move in that split second decision.

Bottom line is both guys suck. Can Logan be a 3? Maybe, who knows. But Sims isn't the guy, he doesn't even fit what BA wants to do.

This.

 

[az jam]

I'm far more negative on Thomas than Sims. I would like to see Sims play with a decent offensive line like LT played with in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. I just hope BA gives him a fair shot.

 

[crisper57]

I'm far more negative on Thomas than Sims. I would like to see Sims play with a decent offensive line like LT played with in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. I just hope BA gives him a fair shot.

I think that will probably happen. I was ready to write off LT this preseason, but he definitely earned a reprieve with that performance. I think there was a Niners QB (Shaun Hill maybe?) that was notorious for terrible practices but then was serviceable in games. That's all I want, is a serviceable #3 so we don't have to go get a guy off the street like last year.

 

[MadCardDisease]

As bad as Logan Thomas has looked at practice he really surprised me with his play against the Cheifs. He went through his progressions. He made some nice throws. Definitely an improvement from when I watched him at practice the week before. I thought for sure he wouldn't make the team this year and now I'm 50/50.

 

[Mitch]

I wrote an article for the front page today called "Doubting Thomas." If you are interesting in reading it, here is the direct link:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/doubting-thomas/

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I wrote an article for the front page today called "Doubting Thomas." If you are interesting in reading it, here is the direct link:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/doubting-thomas/

Good read.

Need to see LT be consistent and put together good games back to back. To continue to build on what he did Saturday night. Not fall off the cliff.

After what he did last year I want to believe in him, I just can't do it 100% at this time.