Cardinals RB?

[mkapp]

With Emmitt gone, who is going to run the ball for the Cards? Also what are the chances of the Cards bringing in a back? Travis Henry, Edgerrin James, and Shaun Alexander have all talked about playing for a new team. Any chance of Najeh Davenport being brought in?

 

[black]

The Cards have bigger fish to fry IMO, we can all bang heads and argue who would be the best draft choice or Free Agent. What I'm saying is no RB would come here with our 0-line. Let's worry about getting the car running before we worry about what we are going to buy at the store.

 

[Pariah]

The Cards have bigger fish to fry IMO, we can all bang heads and argue who would be the best draft choice or Free Agent. What I'm saying is no RB would come here with our 0-line. Let's worry about getting the car running before we worry about what we are going to buy at the store.

You need to learn how to multitask better, Black.

 

[Rocco]

The Cards have bigger fish to fry IMO, we can all bang heads and argue who would be the best draft choice or Free Agent. What I'm saying is no RB would come here with our 0-line. Let's worry about getting the car running before we worry about what we are going to buy at the store.

Agree. Let's spend the money and get Marco Rivera and Kareem McKenzie in here.

 

[JPlay]

A great back will make this offensive line better. Look at what Ricky Williams did in Miami or LT did in San Diego or Priest in KC. Get the RB first then build the line around him.

The only exception to this would be the Broncos, but Q Griffin couldn't succeed in their scheme.

 

[black]

You need to learn how to multitask better, Black.

I'm still a work in progress. LOL


Anyway, sorry to vent fustration there, I'd hope for Ronnie Brown in the draft or get LaMont Jordan in FA. Carry on......

 

[BigRedMO]

The Cards have bigger fish to fry IMO, we can all bang heads and argue who would be the best draft choice or Free Agent. What I'm saying is no RB would come here with our 0-line. Let's worry about getting the car running before we worry about what we are going to buy at the store.

Why are the problems in the running game attributed only to the offensive line personnel? It seems to me that the team has spent a lot of recent draft picks and FAs on the offensive line. The team let go Kendall who was good enough to start for a playoff team. I am willing to bet that means he could have contributed for us. Oh I forgot he expected Green to follow labor rules so he was canned. Silly him to have those expectations. Is it possible the problem on the o-line is not personnel on the line and wont be solved by more FAs and draft picks. Is it possible the problem is a lousy QB, average at best running backs, and poor decisions regarding offensive line personnel? When Hanifan took over the O-line with Coryell he took his inherited people and turned them into the best offensive line in football.

 

[black]

Why is the problems in the running game is attributed only to the offensive line personnel? It seems to me that the team has spent a lot of recent draft picks and FAs on the offensive line. The team let go Kendall who was good enough to start for a playoff team. I am willing to bet that means he could have contributed for us. Oh I forgot he expected Green to follow labor rules so he was canned. Silly him to have those expectations. Is it possible the problem on the o-line is not personnel on the line and wont be solved by more FAs and draft picks. Is it possible the problem is a lousy QB, average at best running backs, and poor decisions regarding offensive line personnel? When Hanifan took over the O-line with Coryell he took his inherited people and turned them into the best offensive line in football.

Green will turn this Shipp around. The 0-line included.

 

[red desert]

Let's worry about getting the car running before we worry about what we are going to buy at the store.

I like that.

 

[ajcardfan]

I don't know black. Over-the-hill Emmitt Smith had the second best season for an Arizona RB in the last 11 years with a line that was heavily criticized. It's easy to imagine that a back with a little more burst could've easily add 200-300 yds onto Smith's totals. I'm more convinced than ever that we've seen more lousy backs here than we might think. I used to say "Fix the line first" too. But, a good back makes the line look better too. Emmitt showed us that as just a shadow of his prime.

Besides, it's not "either/or". We have a LOT of space and some good picks. We can get better on the line and at RB.

 

[JeffGollin]

With Emmitt gone, who is going to run the ball for the Cards?
Shipp, Hambrick and/or possibly a FA or rook. Or not.

I think I will reiterate the following ad nauseum whenever the issue of RB continues to come up:

Since Stump Mitchell and Larry Centers, the Cardinals have gone through a slew of RB's - including Murrell, Thomas Jones and Emmitt, only to struggle running the ball. Variable - the different running backs, Constant - the O-line/TE. (Think there may be a clue here?)

 

[black]

I like that.

Simple truckers logic, but still the same, most truckers take a simple task, and make it rocket science. Help me out here BigRedVol.

 

[black]

I don't know black. Over-the-hill Emmitt Smith had the second best season for an Arizona RB in the last 11 years with a line that was heavily criticized. It's easy to imagine that a back with a little more burst could've easily add 200-300 yds onto Smith's totals. I'm more convinced than ever that we've seen more lousy backs here than we might think. I used to say "Fix the line first" too. But, a good back makes the line look better too. Emmitt showed us that as just a shadow of his prime.

Besides, it's not "either/or". We have a LOT of space and some good picks. We can get better on the line and at RB.

Yep

 

[ajcardfan]

With Emmitt gone, who is going to run the ball for the Cards?
Shipp, Hambrick and/or possibly a FA or rook. Or not.

Variable - the different running backs, Constant - the O-line/TE. (Think there may be a clue here?)

The o-line has been just as variable as the RB spot.

Look at our oline in 1998:

LT: Lomas Brown
LG: Chris Dishman
C: Aaron Graham
RG: Lester Holmes
RT: James Dexter

(Actually, I'm not too sure about RT. Clement was on the team, so was Matt Joyce and Dexter was inured just about every season.)

Now, is that line any more talented than what we put on the field last year? If we could win with that line, we had a good enough line to win last year. IMO.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

With Emmitt gone, who is going to run the ball for the Cards?
Shipp, Hambrick and/or possibly a FA or rook. Or not.

I think I will reiterate the following ad nauseum whenever the issue of RB continues to come up:

Since Stump Mitchell and Larry Centers, the Cardinals have gone through a slew of RB's - including Murrell, Thomas Jones and Emmitt, only to struggle running the ball. Variable - the different running backs, Constant - the O-line/TE. (Think there may be a clue here?)

that argument doesn't hold water either. the oline has had at least one new starter (often more) every year. it hasn't been a constant. i could list prolly 50 olineman that have started during the span of your rbs. both the line and the rbs have sucked. it's really that simple.

 

[BigRedMO]

It just seems to me that if you add up all the supposed weaknesses mentioned by various people there are way too many needs with not enough draft picks or money for FAs to fill them all. It seems more likely to me since Smith retired and Shipp is coming back from injury that the RB position will be addressed in the draft or FA before O-Line. You cant change out everybody. You got to get the people you have to play and not give away guys who can play(Kendall).

 

[HookemCards]

With Emmitt gone, who is going to run the ball for the Cards?
Shipp, Hambrick and/or possibly a FA or rook. Or not.

I think I will reiterate the following ad nauseum whenever the issue of RB continues to come up:

Since Stump Mitchell and Larry Centers, the Cardinals have gone through a slew of RB's - including Murrell, Thomas Jones and Emmitt, only to struggle running the ball. Variable - the different running backs, Constant - the O-line/TE. (Think there may be a clue here?)

Not one of those backs went on to a Pro Bowler or even servicable. With the exception of Emmitt, none of these guys did anything with any other team, and we got Emmitt on the down side of his career. I'm not saying the offensive line doesn't have a hole or two, but I'd be willing to be that with our current OL and a quality (not bad ass necessarily) FA or two, given some time together will be alot better, especially if we can get a QB in here that can actually complete a pass for more than 10 yds.

 

[joeshmo]

Not one of those backs went on to a Pro Bowler or even servicable.

I may not think much of Shipp being a starter but he is more then servicable as is Hambrick. Both would be good to great backups behind a franchise RB.

 

[HookemCards]

I may not think much of Shipp being a starter but he is more then servicable as is Hambrick. Both would be good to great backups behind a franchise RB.

Sorry, I meant serviceable as a starter for the most part. Of all the RB's listed above, I like Shipp by far the most, though I'm not completely sold on Hambrick, yet anyway. My point is that while the offensive line may not have been great for any of these guys, none of them where household names when we acquired them, or went on to greatness elsewhere.

 

[HookemCards]

With Emmitt gone, who is going to run the ball for the Cards?
Shipp, Hambrick and/or possibly a FA or rook. Or not.

I think I will reiterate the following ad nauseum whenever the issue of RB continues to come up:

Since Stump Mitchell and Larry Centers, the Cardinals have gone through a slew of RB's - including Murrell, Thomas Jones and Emmitt, only to struggle running the ball. Variable - the different running backs, Constant - the O-line/TE. (Think there may be a clue here?)

Also the OL and TE haven't been constant for those RBs, but what has been constant was piss poor coaching with Tobin and McGinnis and Ryan. Green will get this thing going, that I'm confident of.

 

[Redsz]

Am I the only one who isn't worried about LT, LG and C? I'm far more concerned with the right side of the line than the entire unit. RT and RG are the problem areas at the moment.

 

[john h]

Why are the problems in the running game attributed only to the offensive line personnel? It seems to me that the team has spent a lot of recent draft picks and FAs on the offensive line. The team let go Kendall who was good enough to start for a playoff team. I am willing to bet that means he could have contributed for us. Oh I forgot he expected Green to follow labor rules so he was canned. Silly him to have those expectations. Is it possible the problem on the o-line is not personnel on the line and wont be solved by more FAs and draft picks. Is it possible the problem is a lousy QB, average at best running backs, and poor decisions regarding offensive line personnel? When Hanifan took over the O-line with Coryell he took his inherited people and turned them into the best offensive line in football.

Well put BigRed!!!!!!!!!

 

[black]

Why are the problems in the running game attributed only to the offensive line personnel? It seems to me that the team has spent a lot of recent draft picks and FAs on the offensive line. The team let go Kendall who was good enough to start for a playoff team. I am willing to bet that means he could have contributed for us. Oh I forgot he expected Green to follow labor rules so he was canned. Silly him to have those expectations. Is it possible the problem on the o-line is not personnel on the line and wont be solved by more FAs and draft picks. Is it possible the problem is a lousy QB, average at best running backs, and poor decisions regarding offensive line personnel? When Hanifan took over the O-line with Coryell he took his inherited people and turned them into the best offensive line in football.

You have very good points in this post, good job. May I borrow this and post it in the AZCards board? They need thought for food. I will give you credit. Thanks.



All you posters over here are respected by me and good job to all.

 

[john h]

You have very good points in this post, good job. May I borrow this and post it in the AZCards board? They need thought for food. I will give you credit. Thanks.



All you posters over here are respected by me and good job to all.

First class post and well thought out.

 

[Faithful]

Agree. Let's spend the money and get Marco Rivera and Kareem McKenzie in here.