Cardinals seen talking to

[cardinalsfan]

So far I have seen it mentioned of them talking with:

Markus Wheaton

Christine Michael

Kenjon Barner - "Barner disclosed he had extensive talks with the Cardinals and Lions." - http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21599316/2013-senior-bowl-ucla-rb-jonathan-franklin-separating-from-north-pack

Not that it says a ton, but may show who the Cardinals are focusing on. Add to the list as we go.

 

[kerouac9]

Is this like when the Cards had "extensive talks" with that guy we totally didn't draft last year?

Remember when Michael Bidwill flew the whole coaching staff to watch Blaine Gabbert work out? We drafted the heck out of that kid.

 

[TigToad]

Or... after the extensive talks, the Cardinals decided not to draft the heck out of that kid.

Is this like when the Cards had "extensive talks" with that guy we totally didn't draft last year?

Remember when Michael Bidwill flew the whole coaching staff to watch Blaine Gabbert work out? We drafted the heck out of that kid.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Kenjon Barner would add some excitement to the team.

 

[cardpa]

I wouldn't mind seeing Barner in Cardinal Red.

 

[football karma]

I really, really like Marcus Wheaton

later round guy

tough over the middle, great hands, elusive with the ball

and a local kid

 

[cardinalsfan]

I really, really like Marcus Wheaton

later round guy

tough over the middle, great hands, elusive with the ball

and a local kid

With how good he is playing at the Senior Bowl hell probably be moving up to the middle rounds. Looks fast and can get a lot of seperation. Something we haven't seen here lately.

 

[Chopper0080]

I really, really like Marcus Wheaton

later round guy

tough over the middle, great hands, elusive with the ball

and a local kid

Wheaton is projected in the 4th round by most scouts. Even if you consider him a 3-5 round guy, that is still in the middle of the draft. Arians is looking for explosion on offense, and is targeting mid round guys wisely (Barner, Wheaton). It is hard to consistently depend on 10+ play drives to score. Bye, bye Early Doucet I will guess.

 

[Chopper0080]

Kenjon Barner would add some excitement to the team.

He could add big plays like we need. Has some serious size issues though is tough.

 

[football karma]

Kenjon Barner would add some excitement to the team.

another later round guy

( FWIW: at this point in the draft, I tend to put people in four draft buckets -- high first round, low first round, 2-3, and 'later rounds')

aside from the size -- Barner seems a little straight line-ish to me

now -- at Oregon, the holes often were so huge that all he had to do was run very fast in a straight line, so who knows

but -- there is no denying that he is very fast

 

[cardinalsfan]

They were also talking with

Eric Fisher

Alex Okafor

After this week I have to think Eric Fisher is the favorite to be our pick.

 

[JeffGollin]

another later round guy....

Maybe not so late. I realize he's only ranked #14 RB by one scouting service who projects him to be drafted in rounds 4 or 5 (plus he only weighs 188), but IMO he's a special role playing RB from a "hot" college offensive system and could be gone by Round 2 or 3

 

[football karma]

Maybe not so late. I realize he's only ranked #14 RB by one scouting service who projects him to be drafted in rounds 4 or 5 (plus he only weighs 188), but IMO he's a special role playing RB from a "hot" college offensive system and could be gone by Round 2 or 3

well sure -- 90 something days ahead of the draft, he could

Lamicheal James went in the bottom of the second. Similar physical stature ( James is stouter -- few lbs more on a shorter frame), but James is much, much shiftier than Barner.

the first half of the Oregon / KSU game was not good for Barner -- he just ran straight into tackles, wasnt making people miss, etc. That was a example of his downside: a JJ Arrington type player who is really fast, but doesnt have the vision / elusiveness to be the big play guy at the next level

i wouldnt use anything more than a 5 on Barner

 

[kerouac9]

well sure -- 90 something days ahead of the draft, he could

Lamicheal James went in the bottom of the second. Similar physical stature ( James is stouter -- few lbs more on a shorter frame), but James is much, much shiftier than Barner.

the first half of the Oregon / KSU game was not good for Barner -- he just ran straight into tackles, wasnt making people miss, etc. That was a example of his downside: a JJ Arrington type player who is really fast, but doesnt have the vision / elusiveness to be the big play guy at the next level

i wouldnt use anything more than a 5 on Barner

I don't know if Barner's (and Arrington's) problem is elusiveness as much as it it strength. You like to see a nice bubble-butt on a running back--that's where a runner gets his strength to break tackles and push the pile at the next level. That's what I was worried about with Arrington from day one: his college tape was him sprinting through gigantic holes, not breaking through tackles and pushing the pile.

Barner looks like a very short WR, not what you want to see in an NFL back. Might have a future as a special teams player and sub-package RB, but probably not a 15+ carries a game guy.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Cards will be drafting O line, then O line, then O line....after that it'll be BPA

 

[splitsecond]

I would guess that Arians would turn Barner into a WR and use him like he used T.Y. Hilton in Indy, which was, to say the least, electric.

 

[football karma]

I would guess that Arians would turn Barner into a WR and use him like he used T.Y. Hilton in Indy, which was, to say the least, electric.

I think there is enough there to take a flyer on him in the later rounds. Be it third down back, returner, slot guy, whatever

he was pretty good catching balls out the backfield

lets face it, if JJ Arrington had been drafted in the 5th instead of the 2nd -- he wouldnt be considered a bust, but a decent 5th round pick who contributed

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

At least Arians seems to be looking at guys that can be big play type players. Terry Metcalf and Roy Green are the only 2 big play guys that come to mind that have played for the Cards.

 

[kerouac9]

At least Arians seems to be looking at guys that can be big play type players. Terry Metcalf and Roy Green are the only 2 big play guys that come to mind that have played for the Cards.

Larry Fitzgerald is certainly a big play-type receiver. So was David Boston; Boston's problem was that he didn't like doing the other things that frequently set up the big plays.

Oh, and the fact that he was a total headcase in an asylum where the inmates were in charge.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Larry Fitzgerald is certainly a big play-type receiver. So was David Boston; Boston's problem was that he didn't like doing the other things that frequently set up the big plays.

Oh, and the fact that he was a total headcase in an asylum where the inmates were in charge.

Fitz is a big play WR but he's not the classic "homerun" receiver with over the top spedd. That's what I was talking about. I'm thinking guys like T.Y Hilton and Mike Wallace where the DB has to be worried about the WR flying right by them.

 

[Buckybird]

Fitz is a big play WR but he's not the classic "homerun" receiver with over the top spedd. That's what I was talking about. I'm thinking guys like T.Y Hilton and Mike Wallace where the DB has to be worried about the WR flying right by them.

If the Cards want a HR hitter who would scare the pants off the defense, they need to draft WR Marquise Goodwin from Texas!!! This guy can blow the top off a D just like Wallace did in Pitt & he's a real sleeper coming out.

 

[BW52]

Fitz is a big play WR but he's not the classic "homerun" receiver with over the top spedd. That's what I was talking about. I'm thinking guys like T.Y Hilton and Mike Wallace where the DB has to be worried about the WR flying right by them.

Sonny Randle....How could you forget him.60 td catches on 360 catches.Fast white guy.

 

[LarryStalling]

Walker Gillette and Mel Grey

 

[WildBB]

Walker Gillette and Mel Grey

Oh yeah. Before Roy Green, Mel Grey could really fly.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't know if Barner's (and Arrington's) problem is elusiveness as much as it it strength. You like to see a nice bubble-butt on a running back--that's where a runner gets his strength to break tackles and push the pile at the next level. That's what I was worried about with Arrington from day one: his college tape was him sprinting through gigantic holes, not breaking through tackles and pushing the pile.

Barner looks like a very short WR, not what you want to see in an NFL back. Might have a future as a special teams player and sub-package RB, but probably not a 15+ carries a game guy.

The difference is Arrington cost a 2nd round pick while Barner will probably cost a 4th or 5th rounder. I see Barner as a better version of LSH in terms of being a RB.