Cardinals Sign QB Jake Coker, Alabama

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It would be so much easier to buy your analysis of Coker Mitch if I could block out the way you pimped several UDFA QBs like Preston Parsons and Shane Boyd. Sorry, I just can't do that. I'm rooting for you to be right though, as I like Coker too.
 

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Cardpa, most college QBs are one-read, check down QBs.

It is mystifying to me that Coker was not drafted.

He played in pro-style offense---which as BA says is huge these days.

He was coached by a one-time NFL HC and OC, Lane Kiffen.

I think it was the small sample size...the fact that Bama players are being more heavily scrutinized because of recent high-profile draft disappointments...and perhaps on account of Nick Saban describing Coker as having the potential to be a decent backup. Plus, he wasn't invited to the Combine...not sure why. He had a good week at the Senior Bowl, started the game as all Bama players do there, but as for the other starter Carson Wentz, did not put up great numbers. Then, he missed his Pro Day because of a toe injury. I think scouts just did not see enough of him.

I think Coker is more talented than A.J. McCarron. And I like McCarron and feel that he can be a solid starter in the NFL when the time is right. He's played pretty well when called upon thus far.

With the talent he had around him, he really did not need to make more than one read. I think the big deal for Coker will be avoiding mistakes. He doesn't have to be a hero QB. Just make solid throws when players are open and not throw it to the other team, and he will have a very solid NFL career.
 

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I like Coker but have no idea how he will do when it counts in both training camp and preseason games. It will be interesting to watch Coker battling Barkley for the #3 QB spot.
 

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I like Coker but have no idea how he will do when it counts in both training camp and preseason games. It will be interesting to watch Coker battling Barkley for the #3 QB spot.

Don't the Cardinal have that electronic QB training machine? If I was Coker, I would be on that thing full-time getting used to NFL speed and working on reads.
 
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It would be so much easier to buy your analysis of Coker Mitch if I could block out the way you pimped several UDFA QBs like Preston Parsons and Shane Boyd. Sorry, I just can't do that. I'm rooting for you to be right though, as I like Coker too.

The odds of any UDFA QB ever getting a legitimate chance to start an NFL regular season game are so astronomically small.

When Hank Aaron delivered his famous induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame speech, the irony is that he hardly mentioned baseball---the focus of his speech was "opportunity."

How often does a UDFA QB have just a single opportunity to start an NFL game?

In Kurt Warner's case---it took a devastating end of the pre-season knee injury to the Rams' starter Trent Green and then an extraordinary vote of confidence from HC Dick Vermeil, who decided that, no matter what, he was going to stick with Kurt Warner. At the time, virtually every NFL pundit and fan thought Vermeil was flat-out delusional and out of his mind.

Typically at best a UDFA QB's biggest hope is to make an NFL roster as the #3 QB.

In order to get a chance strange things have to happen---like they did twice for QB Ryan Lindley (6th Round pick) who was the only QB standing when all other QBs were injured.

The reason why so many high draft pick QBs get the chance is the expectation that comes with being a high pick and the pressure on the coaches to deliver on those expectations.

Even a 2nd round pick like Drew Stanton has found himself every year in a situation where his team signed a FA starter or drafted a Matthew Stafford to take over the job. Even when Stanton was traded to the Jets and Rex Ryan where it looked like he was finally going to get his chance to win the starting job, Ryan turned around and traded for Tim Tebow which caused Stanton to ask to be traded---which he was---to the Colts---who then drafted Andrew Luck. Then when Stanton went with BA to AZ and for a while it was looking like he would finally have his chance, the Cardinals make the Carson Palmer trade.

What it takes for a QB to succeed in the NFL is (1) a head coach who is committed to him; (2) a grace period where the QB can work his way through the early mistakes that are inevitable for any QB getting his first full two seasons of action.

Look at what the Seahawks did after they drafted Russell Wilson---not only did they show tremendous faith in him, they stuck with him through his early struggles.

To this day, I believe that if Preston Parsons had been given a chance to start, he might have surprised the NFL. He had the size (6'4, 235), intelligence, poise and one of the smoothest deliveries I have seen in young UDFA QBs.

Parsons in his two years with the Cardinals never got a chance, because Jake Plummer was the starter and the team had drafted Josh McCown in the 3rd round.

After his two year stint with the Cardinals, Parsons played for the Broncos (made the roster) and found himself behind Jake Plummer again and, of course, 1st round draft pick Jay Cutler.

As for Shane Boyd---I loved the way he played for the Titans in a pre-season game versus the Cardinals---he was hitting all his passes and just when the Cardinals got pressure on him he was scrambling for first downs. This was in 2005---there were no Russell Wilsons in the NFL back then---so there really wasn't a market for diminutive scramblers like Boyd. But he did play for the Cardinals in 2006 as the #3 QB behind Jeff Blake and Josh McCown, both of whom were struggling so badly that I was saying why not at least try Boyd. My remarks then were made partly out of desperation---even if Boyd was given a chance it would have been hard to imagine Dave McGinnis sticking with him long enough for Boyd to get his feet wet.

Boyd had a few more NFL gigs after that...a couple of years with the Texans, but never got the chance to play in a game.

At least other teams were intrigued by Parsons and Boyd---so I guess I wasn't the only one.

What fascinates me about QBs---is they come in all shapes and sizes---and you never know. Some of the lesser heralded ones like Kurt Warner and Tony Romo surprisingly found themselves at the right place and right time and then seized the day and proved so many people wrong, including all 31 teams that missed out on them. Plus, while physical talent is certainly a plus, when you look at Warner and Romo, neither one of them is a super stud athlete---neither is Tom Brady, for that matter. It often comes down to intangibles like smarts, sheer competitiveness and leadership.
 
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The odds of any UDFA QB ever getting a legitimate chance to start an NFL regular season game are so astronomically small.

When Hank Aaron delivered his famous induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame speech, the irony is that he hardly mentioned baseball---the focus of his speech was "opportunity."

How often does a UDFA QB have just a single opportunity to start an NFL game?

In Kurt Warner's case---it took a devastating end of the pre-season knee injury to the Rams' starter Trent Green and then an extraordinary vote of confidence from HC Dick Vermeil, who decided that, no matter what, he was going to stick with Kurt Warner. At the time, virtually every NFL pundit and fan thought Vermeil was flat-out delusional and out of his mind.

Typically at best a UDFA QB's biggest hope is to make an NFL roster as the #3 QB.

In order to get a chance strange things have to happen---like they did twice for QB Ryan Lindley (6th Round pick) who was the only QB standing when all other QBs were injured.

The reason why so many high draft pick QBs get the chance is the expectation that comes with being a high pick and the pressure on the coaches to deliver on those expectations.

Even a 2nd round pick like Drew Stanton has found himself every year in a situation where his team signed a FA starter or drafted a Matthew Stafford to take over the job. Even when Stanton was traded to the Jets and Rex Ryan where it looked like he was finally going to get his chance to win the starting job, Ryan turned around and traded for Tim Tebow which caused Stanton to ask to be traded---which he was---to the Colts---who then drafted Andrew Luck. Then when Stanton went with BA to AZ and for a while it was looking like he would finally have his chance, the Cardinals make the Carson Palmer trade.

What it takes for a QB to succeed in the NFL is (1) a head coach who is committed to him; (2) a grace period where the QB can work his way through the early mistakes that are inevitable for any QB getting his first full two seasons of action.

Look at what the Seahawks did after they drafted Russell Wilson---not only did they show tremendous faith in him, they stuck with him through his early struggles.

To this day, I believe that if Preston Parsons had been given a chance to start, he might have surprised the NFL. He had the size (6'4, 235), intelligence, poise and one of the smoothest deliveries I have seen in young UDFA QBs.

Parsons in his two years with the Cardinals never got a chance, because Jake Plummer was the starter and the team had drafted Josh McCown in the 3rd round.

After his two year stint with the Cardinals, Parsons played for the Broncos (made the roster) and found himself behind Jake Plummer again and, of course, 1st round draft pick Jay Cutler.

As for Shane Boyd---I loved the way he played for the Titans in a pre-season game versus the Cardinals---he was hitting all his passes and just when the Cardinals got pressure on him he was scrambling for first downs. This was in 2005---there were no Russell Wilsons in the NFL back then---so there really wasn't a market for diminutive scramblers like Boyd. But he did play for the Cardinals in 2006 as the #3 QB behind Jeff Blake and Josh McCown, both of whom were struggling so badly that I was saying why not at least try Boyd. My remarks then were made partly out of desperation---even if Boyd was given a chance it would have been hard to imagine Dave McGinnis sticking with him long enough for Boyd to get his feet wet.

Boyd had a few more NFL gigs after that...a couple of years with the Texans, but never got the chance to play in a game.

At least other teams were intrigued by Parsons and Boyd---so I guess I wasn't the only one.

What fascinates me about QBs---is they come in all shapes and sizes---and you never know. Some of the lesser heralded ones like Kurt Warner and Tony Romo surprisingly found themselves at the right place and right time and then seized the day and proved so many people wrong, including all 31 teams that missed out on them. Plus, while physical talent is certainly a plus, when you look at Warner and Romo, neither one of them is a super stud athlete---neither is Tom Brady, for that matter. It often comes down to intangibles like smarts, sheer competitiveness and leadership.


Great post Mitch, I would also add their dedication to the craft. These "lower tier" QBs that make it also have a strong work ethic and just refuse to surrender. They understand that they have to work harder to get where they want to be.
 

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Don't the Cardinal have that electronic QB training machine? If I was Coker, I would be on that thing full-time getting used to NFL speed and working on reads.

Good point JC, I had forgot about the virtual reality machine. Great tool for a youngster hope he takes advantage of it.
 

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The odds of any UDFA QB ever getting a legitimate chance to start an NFL regular season game are so astronomically small.

When Hank Aaron delivered his famous induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame speech, the irony is that he hardly mentioned baseball---the focus of his speech was "opportunity."

How often does a UDFA QB have just a single opportunity to start an NFL game?

In Kurt Warner's case---it took a devastating end of the pre-season knee injury to the Rams' starter Trent Green and then an extraordinary vote of confidence from HC Dick Vermeil, who decided that, no matter what, he was going to stick with Kurt Warner. At the time, virtually every NFL pundit and fan thought Vermeil was flat-out delusional and out of his mind.

Typically at best a UDFA QB's biggest hope is to make an NFL roster as the #3 QB.

In order to get a chance strange things have to happen---like they did twice for QB Ryan Lindley (6th Round pick) who was the only QB standing when all other QBs were injured.

The reason why so many high draft pick QBs get the chance is the expectation that comes with being a high pick and the pressure on the coaches to deliver on those expectations.

Even a 2nd round pick like Drew Stanton has found himself every year in a situation where his team signed a FA starter or drafted a Matthew Stafford to take over the job. Even when Stanton was traded to the Jets and Rex Ryan where it looked like he was finally going to get his chance to win the starting job, Ryan turned around and traded for Tim Tebow which caused Stanton to ask to be traded---which he was---to the Colts---who then drafted Andrew Luck. Then when Stanton went with BA to AZ and for a while it was looking like he would finally have his chance, the Cardinals make the Carson Palmer trade.

What it takes for a QB to succeed in the NFL is (1) a head coach who is committed to him; (2) a grace period where the QB can work his way through the early mistakes that are inevitable for any QB getting his first full two seasons of action.

Look at what the Seahawks did after they drafted Russell Wilson---not only did they show tremendous faith in him, they stuck with him through his early struggles.

To this day, I believe that if Preston Parsons had been given a chance to start, he might have surprised the NFL. He had the size (6'4, 235), intelligence, poise and one of the smoothest deliveries I have seen in young UDFA QBs.

Parsons in his two years with the Cardinals never got a chance, because Jake Plummer was the starter and the team had drafted Josh McCown in the 3rd round.

After his two year stint with the Cardinals, Parsons played for the Broncos (made the roster) and found himself behind Jake Plummer again and, of course, 1st round draft pick Jay Cutler.

As for Shane Boyd---I loved the way he played for the Titans in a pre-season game versus the Cardinals---he was hitting all his passes and just when the Cardinals got pressure on him he was scrambling for first downs. This was in 2005---there were no Russell Wilsons in the NFL back then---so there really wasn't a market for diminutive scramblers like Boyd. But he did play for the Cardinals in 2006 as the #3 QB behind Jeff Blake and Josh McCown, both of whom were struggling so badly that I was saying why not at least try Boyd. My remarks then were made partly out of desperation---even if Boyd was given a chance it would have been hard to imagine Dave McGinnis sticking with him long enough for Boyd to get his feet wet.

Boyd had a few more NFL gigs after that...a couple of years with the Texans, but never got the chance to play in a game.

At least other teams were intrigued by Parsons and Boyd---so I guess I wasn't the only one.

What fascinates me about QBs---is they come in all shapes and sizes---and you never know. Some of the lesser heralded ones like Kurt Warner and Tony Romo surprisingly found themselves at the right place and right time and then seized the day and proved so many people wrong, including all 31 teams that missed out on them. Plus, while physical talent is certainly a plus, when you look at Warner and Romo, neither one of them is a super stud athlete---neither is Tom Brady, for that matter. It often comes down to intangibles like smarts, sheer competitiveness and leadership.

I wonder if part of the reason QB's drafted later don't often make it, is self-fulfilling prophecy. They don't get the opportunities because they are not as highly regarded to begin with. Your example of Parsons and Plummer would fit here.

It does seem that the late drafted or undrafted QB's that made it had someone that was willing to see something in them that no one else did and to give them an opportunity in spite of lots of naysayers. Also, there was usually some circumstance--a Wally Pip moment--that gave them their big break. So yes, Coker has all this against him.

1. Undrafted QB's are usually not good at all.
2. Undrafted QB's are usually not highly regarded enough to get a legit shot.
3. Undrafted QB's most often never have that moment of opportunity to show their real stuff even if they have it.
 

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The odds of any UDFA QB ever getting a legitimate chance to start an NFL regular season game are so astronomically small.

When Hank Aaron delivered his famous induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame speech, the irony is that he hardly mentioned baseball---the focus of his speech was "opportunity."

How often does a UDFA QB have just a single opportunity to start an NFL game?

In Kurt Warner's case---it took a devastating end of the pre-season knee injury to the Rams' starter Trent Green and then an extraordinary vote of confidence from HC Dick Vermeil, who decided that, no matter what, he was going to stick with Kurt Warner. At the time, virtually every NFL pundit and fan thought Vermeil was flat-out delusional and out of his mind.

Typically at best a UDFA QB's biggest hope is to make an NFL roster as the #3 QB.

In order to get a chance strange things have to happen---like they did twice for QB Ryan Lindley (6th Round pick) who was the only QB standing when all other QBs were injured.

The reason why so many high draft pick QBs get the chance is the expectation that comes with being a high pick and the pressure on the coaches to deliver on those expectations.

Even a 2nd round pick like Drew Stanton has found himself every year in a situation where his team signed a FA starter or drafted a Matthew Stafford to take over the job. Even when Stanton was traded to the Jets and Rex Ryan where it looked like he was finally going to get his chance to win the starting job, Ryan turned around and traded for Tim Tebow which caused Stanton to ask to be traded---which he was---to the Colts---who then drafted Andrew Luck. Then when Stanton went with BA to AZ and for a while it was looking like he would finally have his chance, the Cardinals make the Carson Palmer trade.

What it takes for a QB to succeed in the NFL is (1) a head coach who is committed to him; (2) a grace period where the QB can work his way through the early mistakes that are inevitable for any QB getting his first full two seasons of action.

Look at what the Seahawks did after they drafted Russell Wilson---not only did they show tremendous faith in him, they stuck with him through his early struggles.

To this day, I believe that if Preston Parsons had been given a chance to start, he might have surprised the NFL. He had the size (6'4, 235), intelligence, poise and one of the smoothest deliveries I have seen in young UDFA QBs.

Parsons in his two years with the Cardinals never got a chance, because Jake Plummer was the starter and the team had drafted Josh McCown in the 3rd round.

After his two year stint with the Cardinals, Parsons played for the Broncos (made the roster) and found himself behind Jake Plummer again and, of course, 1st round draft pick Jay Cutler.

As for Shane Boyd---I loved the way he played for the Titans in a pre-season game versus the Cardinals---he was hitting all his passes and just when the Cardinals got pressure on him he was scrambling for first downs. This was in 2005---there were no Russell Wilsons in the NFL back then---so there really wasn't a market for diminutive scramblers like Boyd. But he did play for the Cardinals in 2006 as the #3 QB behind Jeff Blake and Josh McCown, both of whom were struggling so badly that I was saying why not at least try Boyd. My remarks then were made partly out of desperation---even if Boyd was given a chance it would have been hard to imagine Dave McGinnis sticking with him long enough for Boyd to get his feet wet.

Boyd had a few more NFL gigs after that...a couple of years with the Texans, but never got the chance to play in a game.

At least other teams were intrigued by Parsons and Boyd---so I guess I wasn't the only one.

What fascinates me about QBs---is they come in all shapes and sizes---and you never know. Some of the lesser heralded ones like Kurt Warner and Tony Romo surprisingly found themselves at the right place and right time and then seized the day and proved so many people wrong, including all 31 teams that missed out on them. Plus, while physical talent is certainly a plus, when you look at Warner and Romo, neither one of them is a super stud athlete---neither is Tom Brady, for that matter. It often comes down to intangibles like smarts, sheer competitiveness and leadership.

Very solid post with a lot of good insight. I think you might have gotten your years/personnel a little mixed up though. Boyd was behind Leinart and Warner in 2006. McCown was let go the prior season and Blake was long gone. Also, Denny Green was the HC that year.

It was 2003 when Blake and McCown were god awful and Parsons was the #3 but did not see the field. He was cut the following year by DG in favor of... John Navarre. Yikes!!
 

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There always seems to be merit if finding young QB's with the tools to be successfuly and keeping them in the pipeline. Maybe one will stick.

So whether it is a Skelton, Logan Thomas, Matt Barkley, or Jake Coker. Maybe one will turn out to have it.
 

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There always seems to be merit if finding young QB's with the tools to be successfuly and keeping them in the pipeline. Maybe one will stick.

So whether it is a Skelton, Logan Thomas, Matt Barkley, or Jake Coker. Maybe one will turn out to have it.

The Patriots do this the best draft a QB every few years trade off the ones with promise get more draft picks repeat. Works great as long as you have a QB for right now.
 

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Six pages and 88 posts about a player who's likely applying for his real estate agent license in October than on an NFL roster.

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Can u give me the numbers for the lottery?
 

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Yet without this kind of nitpicking and analysis this board wouldn't be what it is. It's part of the process.
 

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He is a qb. We just have to talk about qb's.
He was the qb of the national championship team in January.

I admit. I get way too interested in the prospect QB's. I was really optimistic about Logan Thomas, that is enough of an indictment I am sure.
 

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He is a qb. We just have to talk about qb's.
He was the qb of the national championship team in January.

I admit. I get way too interested in the prospect QB's. I was really optimistic about Logan Thomas, that is enough of an indictment I am sure.

Coker and Barkley are better QBs than Logan Thomas and a few other QBs drafted now will ever accomplish... there is a reason a top college program wanted them to be their QB and that needs to be considered too :)
 

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Coker and Barkley are better QBs than Logan Thomas and a few other QBs drafted now will ever accomplish... there is a reason a top college program wanted them to be their QB and that needs to be considered too :)

It seems the knocks on Coker are:

1. Single reads. Does he have the smarts to learn the reads an NFL qb must make?
2. Slowish throwing motion. This one just seems overblown to me. I don't see anything wrong with his motion or arm.
 

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It seems the knocks on Coker are:

1. Single reads. Does he have the smarts to learn the reads an NFL qb must make?
2. Slowish throwing motion. This one just seems overblown to me. I don't see anything wrong with his motion or arm.

That is the knock on him, it is not whether he knows what is going on but is he smart enough to process the information in time to act... he actually has a good chance in my opinion
 

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