Cardinals | Team tried to sign A. Glenn

[Mr.Dibbs]

Per KFFL, we went after him:

Cardinals | Team tried to sign A. Glenn
Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:09:49 -0700

Clarence E. Hill Jr., of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, reports the Arizona Cardinals tried to sign free-agent CB Aaron Glenn (Cowboys), but Glenn decided to sign with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

 

[Duckjake]

They told him they had an opening at QB and he could try out for that as well.

 

[Mitch]

Good..this at least shows that the FO recognizes the need for a nickel corner.

 

[Goober Man]

Good..this at least shows that the FO recognizes the need for a nickel corner.

Who else do you think thats out there that would be a good nickle corner?

 

[BigRedRage]

Rolle is bad....but is he so bad he cant play nickle? He has sucked all preseason but some part of me says give him a shot....maybe he can just play pace's position...

 

[Scott MS]

Who else do you think thats out there that would be a good nickle corner?

Antrel Rolle.

 

[Goober Man]

Antrel Rolle.

No way..Rolle sucked against 3rd stringers in preseason when they demoted him how would that make him even close to being a good nickle corner

 

[Skkorpion]

Thanks, Dibbs.

Glenn probably made the right decision if he thinks this gives him a better shot at a ring. Personally, I think he's delusional, and he did us a favor by rejecting us. I think he's done.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Atleast they are trying.... All you can do is try.

 

[Mitch]

A nickel corner needs to be quick and aggressive...a real dog in coverage...because the nickel covers the slot WR, the likes of Deion Branch, the best slot WR in the NFC West.

The problem with covering the slot is that the slot WR is not lined up on the l.o.s. and therefore is too difficult to bump and run...the slot also gets motioned a lot, so the nickel CB has to motion with him and still try to break with WR if he runs an out...or keep inside the WR to take away the slant...and run step for step with the WR on drag patterns, seams, z-outs and gos.

Antrel Rolle is a sitting duck in the slot...he can't bump and run because the slot is off the ball, and then he lacks the quickness and speed to shadow the speedy slot WRs like Branch.

Glenn is still quick, plays near perfect angles, breaks on the ball well and has great anticipation of where the ball's going (a.k.a. savviness).

Evan Ogelsby played well in the nickel in Baltimore...but ironically the Cowboys claimed him after releasing Glenn. The Cards really missed the boat on that one.

The other guy I liked was David Jones (Saints) but he was claimed.

If you notice, not too many cover/nickel CBs were waived...they are a hot commodity...which is why many of us have been upset that the position was not addressed at all in the draft, nor was another key free agent added.

 

[BigRedRage]

A nickel corner needs to be quick and aggressive...a real dog in coverage...because the nickel covers the slot WR, the likes of Deion Branch, the best slot WR in the NFC West.

The problem with covering the slot is that the slot WR is not lined up on the l.o.s. and therefore is too difficult to bump and run...the slot also gets motioned a lot, so the nickel CB has to motion with him and still try to break with WR if he runs an out...or keep inside the WR to take away the slant...and run step for step with the WR on drag patterns, seams, z-outs and gos.

Antrel Rolle is a sitting duck in the slot...he can't bump and run because the slot is off the ball, and then he lacks the quickness and speed to shadow the speedy slot WRs like Branch.

Glenn is still quick, plays near perfect angles, breaks on the ball well and has great anticipation of where the ball's going (a.k.a. savviness).

Evan Ogelsby played well in the nickel in Baltimore...but ironically the Cowboys claimed him after releasing Glenn. The Cards really missed the boat on that one.

The other guy I liked was David Jones (Saints) but he was claimed.

If you notice, not too many cover/nickel CBs were waived...they are a hot commodity.

Boldin is in the slot, making him the best in the west ; )

 

[Scott MS]

No way..Rolle sucked against 3rd stringers in preseason when they demoted him how would that make him even close to being a good nickle corner

I didn't say he was the best nickel in the league. He's just the guy who is left on the bench to fill the position. Who else are they going to get and do you really think the Cards will cut Rolle?

Like him or not, he's another Calvin Pace who will get this year to further help or not help himself. That's how things are done here in Arizona.

 

[Mitch]

Boldin is in the slot, making him the best in the west ; )

Absolutely! Thanks for correcting me...I wasn't thinking we had to cover our own WRs at the time...but, yes, hands down he's the best slot WR in the league.

 

[Scott MS]

Here's who left.

Starters:

LCB Hood, Roderick
RCB Green, Eric

Pick Your Nickel:

Ware, Matt
Brown, Ralph
Rolle, Antrel

 

[Mitch]

I didn't say he was the best nickle in the league. He's just the guy who is left on the bench to fill the position. Who else are they going to get and do you really think the Cards will cut Rolle?

Like him or not, he's another Calvin Pace who will get this year to further help or not help himself. That's how things are done here in Arizona.

First of all, Rolle should not be cut...there are roles that play more to his strengths...like bump CB with safety help behind or bump CB with flat responsibilities in a 5 under 2 deep zone.

However, if and when the Cards play man in the nickel, they will need to slide Green or Hood there untuil they get a capable one and take their chances with Rolle or Ralph Brown at the RCB.

You know, Rolle has never been tried at RCB, and he might be much better on that side, turning to his right on deep passes, rather than to his left...and RH QBs typically have a harder time throwing to their left than to their right...the left is where the RCB plays...it would be interesting to see what Rolle looks like on the right side...who knows? The ball doesn't seem to come out at quick or as frequently on target to the RCBs side, with RH QBs.

 

[Ryanwb]

This team has had nickle backs on the roster this century with the likes of Coby Rhinehart, Dyshod Carter and Renaldo Hill.

Nothing new here.......

 

[Shane]

Deion Branch, the best slot WR in the NFC West.

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Sorry Mitch but the best slot WR in the NFL much less the NFC west is one Anquan Boldin.

 

[Shane]

Sorry Mitch but the best slot WR in the NFL much less the NFC west is one Anquan Boldin.

Alright I see you corrected yourself mitch. Kudos!

 

[TheCardFan]

This team has had nickle backs on the roster this century with the likes of Coby Rhinehart, Dyshod Carter and Renaldo Hill.

Nothing new here.......

Renaldo Hill was really good.

Andre Dyson is available for trade...he is way better than Glenn.

 

[Shane]

Renaldo Hill was really good.

Andre Dyson is available for trade...he is way better than Glenn.

Yup Renaldo Hill was a very good Nickle CB. All the guy did was make plays.

 

[Second Deck]

First of all, Rolle should not be cut...there are roles that play more to his strengths...like bump CB with safety help behind or bump CB with flat responsibilities in a 5 under 2 deep zone.

However, if and when the Cards play man in the nickel, they will need to slide Green or Hood there untuil they get a capable one and take their chances with Rolle or Ralph Brown at the RCB.

You know, Rolle has never been tried at RCB, and he might be much better on that side, turning to his right on deep passes, rather than to his left...and RH QBs typically have a harder time throwing to their left than to their right...the left is where the RCB plays...it would be interesting to see what Rolle looks like on the right side...who knows? The ball doesn't seem to come out at quick or as frequently on target to the RCBs side, with RH QBs.

I just do not remember Rolle being beat that much last year. When Ware was brought in to play RCB he was picked on for several long passing plays. To me Green and Rolle gave up to many first downs on third and long hopefully they will fix this problem but the preseason did not offer any proof.

I cannot argue Rolle had a terrible camp and preseason so we will see what happens. I still expect to see him back as a starting CB this year.

 

[Shane]

I just do not remember Rolle being beat that much last year. When Ware was brought in to play RCB he was picked on for several long passing plays. To me Green and Rolle gave up to many first downs on third and long hopefully they will fix this problem but the preseason did not offer any proof.

I cannot argue Rolle had a terrible camp and preseason so we will see what happens. I still expect to see him back as a starting CB this year.

You guys kill me. The guy has been terrible for 3 years running. He even looks bad against 2nd and 3rd string WR's.

When you get to go man up against the likes of Boldin and Fitz every day in practice these other guys should be easy. The guy just doesnt have what it takes.

 

[Goldfield]

You guys kill me. The guy has been terrible for 3 years running. He even looks bad against 2nd and 3rd string WR's.

When you get to go man up against the likes of Boldin and Fitz every day in practice these other guys should be easy. The guy just doesnt have what it takes.

Yup, he cant cover anyone.

I still think h has alot of talent & should be tried at Saftey. There he wont have to shadow guys nearly as much & can focus on delivering big hits which we all know he can do.

 

[Shane]

Yup, he cant cover anyone.

I still think h has alot of talent & should be tried at Saftey. There he wont have to shadow guys nearly as much & can focus on delivering big hits which we all know he can do.

Thats exactly where he needs to be is at safety. hes a superb open field tackler and just quick enough to handle that psoition IMO.

 

[Garthshort]

Rolle to Safety

BEERZ and Shane, I,along with just about every other poster here, agree with you. And if that is considered a too drastic step then as Mitch suggests, move him to RCB.