Cardinals Trying To Move Down

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It makes sense, especially in a draft like this where there are no sure fire top 10 picks.

This brings up a question though, do you think the trade down will be done on draft day? If Warmock is there at 7 do we take him, if he's not do we trade down? I could see that scenario being possible.
 

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If Eric Fisher or Luke Joeckel are still available at #3 I wouldn't be surprised if the Cardinals trade up for them. It might even be doable for a 3rd rounder IMO. The Raiders want Sharrif Floyd and could probably still get him at #7, but probably not much lower than that.
 

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If Eric Fisher or Luke Joeckel are still available at #3 I wouldn't be surprised if the Cardinals trade up for them. It might even be doable for a 3rd rounder IMO. The Raiders want Sharrif Floyd and could probably still get him at #7, but probably not much lower than that.

I was thinking about this scenario as well. Raiders could probably get Floyd or at least Lutuelei at 7. This would maybe compel them to take less and our 1st and 3rd might do.
 

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Do we really want to lose our 3rd round pick though? I think we have too many holes to fill to move up 4 spots and lose our 3rd
 

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If Eric Fisher or Luke Joeckel are still available at #3 I wouldn't be surprised if the Cardinals trade up for them. It might even be doable for a 3rd rounder IMO. The Raiders want Sharrif Floyd and could probably still get him at #7, but probably not much lower than that.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Based on the points system, if we wanted to trade up to #3 (2,200 points) it would take our 1st round (1,500 points), our 2nd round (520 points), and probably our 3rd round (245 points).

Not going to happen.
 

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Do we really want to lose our 3rd round pick though? I think we have too many holes to fill to move up 4 spots and lose our 3rd
I don't like trading up unless you are a player away from competing for a superbowl. Or its a franchise QB.
 

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Do we really want to lose our 3rd round pick though? I think we have too many holes to fill to move up 4 spots and lose our 3rd

Depends what you really want. All three LT's will likely be gone @7.

Raiders pick of Floyd likely won't be gone. Makes sense all around.

Sometimes you have to bit the bullet. This could be that time.

Maybe we could coax them to give up an extra 5th?
 

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http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Based on the points system, if we wanted to trade up to #3 (2,200 points) it would take our 1st round (1,500 points), our 2nd round (520 points), and probably our 3rd round (245 points).

Not going to happen.

That chart is a guide only and useless for the top picks this year. The values for 1 thru 4 are 3000, 2600, 2200 and 1800. A difference of 400 points per pick. Then they drop by only 100 points per pick for the next few picks. As an example, the difference between 3 and 4 is 400 points and between 4 and 5 is 100 points. So by the chart, dropping from 3 to 4 should get you a mid 2nd, and dropping from 4 to 5 should get you a high 4th. Does anyone believe that the difference between this years #4 and #5 is equal to the difference between a mid 2nd and a high 4th?

Last year the Bucs dropped from 5 to 7 for only a 4th rounder. They "should" have gotten a 3rd rounder according to the chart. Teams will take less, especially when there is very little difference between they pick they are trading, and the one they are getting. I think the Raiders would take our 3rd. I'm not sure I want us to make that move.
 

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This is a deep draft.....not necessarily a stellar one so tradin up or tradin down makes sense....he says in his Yogi Berra voice.
 

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Is the #7 slot really that prime of a position that we can sell it to someone? In other words, is there a player, that the Bills are likely to take, that someone else really wants? Chances are the Bills are looking for help on OL. By #8, they may have their choice of guards, which is pretty deep in this draft.

If they were honing in on Mingo, maybe the Jets would feel compelled to jump ahead of them, but I don't think Buffalo is looking at defense in the first round.

If we move anywhere, it'll be up. More than likely, though, I think we stay put and take whatever falls to us.

I think most teams will be content to let the run of OL occur in the Top 10 without much swapping. They will position themselves for the run on D players (and maybe QB's) in the 10-20 slots.

And of course there will be much jockeying to jump back into the first round when Tavon Austin falls that far.

:D
 

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:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

Damn...I thought the title of the thread was..."Cards trying to move Brown". :D Lol


I still think he sucks ass as a LT & hope he's gone after 2013.
 

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Is the #7 slot really that prime of a position that we can sell it to someone? In other words, is there a player, that the Bills are likely to take, that someone else really wants? Chances are the Bills are looking for help on OL. By #8, they may have their choice of guards, which is pretty deep in this draft.

If they were honing in on Mingo, maybe the Jets would feel compelled to jump ahead of them, but I don't think Buffalo is looking at defense in the first round.

If we move anywhere, it'll be up. More than likely, though, I think we stay put and take whatever falls to us.

I think most teams will be content to let the run of OL occur in the Top 10 without much swapping. They will position themselves for the run on D players (and maybe QB's) in the 10-20 slots.

And of course there will be much jockeying to jump back into the first round when Tavon Austin falls that far.

:D

The way this would likely happen is when our number 7 comes up and there is a player there that some other team really wants they may come to us with their offer.
They could be talking behind the scenes now for all I know but they would have to know the guy they want will be there when our number is called. If there is a guy we think is a sure fire starter for us I would not be for trading down be he a OT or whatever. The further down you go the less likely you find a good guy. #7 in all the nation is actually a pretty good place to find a good player. So much depends on our ability to recognize talent. If you have a bust on a #7 pick it really hurts for a long time. Trading down and having 3-4 bust is even worse if your #7 turns into a star.
 

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The way this would likely happen is when our number 7 comes up and there is a player there that some other team really wants they may come to us with their offer.
They could be talking behind the scenes now for all I know but they would have to know the guy they want will be there when our number is called. If there is a guy we think is a sure fire starter for us I would not be for trading down be he a OT or whatever. The further down you go the less likely you find a good guy. #7 in all the nation is actually a pretty good place to find a good player. So much depends on our ability to recognize talent. If you have a bust on a #7 pick it really hurts for a long time. Trading down and having 3-4 bust is even worse if your #7 turns into a star.

I agree, but since the Cards and Bills are generally looking at filling the same positions, wouldn't someone want to leapfrog both of us? And wouldn't the Cards be wary of dropping behind the Bills for fear of BUF drafting the guy we wanted to get at a better value?
 

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I agree, but since the Cards and Bills are generally looking at filling the same positions, wouldn't someone want to leapfrog both of us? And wouldn't the Cards be wary of dropping behind the Bills for fear of BUF drafting the guy we wanted to get at a better value?

On Rotoworld they're speculating the following from the Bills

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8370/ryan-nassib
"The Buffalo Bills want Ryan Nassib. But they're very concerned the Jets will take him later in the first round. So the Bills may be forced to take him at No. 8."

Profootballtalk.com has heard the Bills fear the Jaguars selecting Syracuse QB Ryan Nassib if he slips to the 33rd overall pick.


And Tavon Austin is flying up the draft

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8402/tavon-austin
ESPN's Todd McShay suggested on SportsCenter that West Virginia's Tavon Austin is in play for the No. 8 overall pick.
McShay said Austin is a hot name and he's "even heard in the last couple days there's a possibility that the Bills could take him at No. 8." We wonder if the division-rival Bills and Jets are jockeying against one another at Nos. 8 and 9

But they might not get the chance!

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8393/lane-johnson
ESPN's Sal Paolantonio stated on Philly's 97.5 The Fanatic that he's heard the Eagles are targeting a tackle at No. 4 overall, with West Virginia's Tavon Austin as the primary fallback option.

It's starting to get crazy.

If all the reports are true, it seems like all three tackles are gone by #4, and perhaps all gone by #3, if so then Austin gone by #4, Nassib at #8.

We'll see, but another day, more rumors and changes in what everyone is projecting.
 

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I seriously doubt anyone outside of the Cards upper management have any idea of what the Cardinals will do. I have read move down, move up, and 20 or so players we will draft. We will know when the guy walks up to the commissioner and hands him our choice. Speculating on trades is even more far out as I suspect many of these are done on the spot at the draft.

I don't know. Last year several posters were saying they believed that Michael Floyd was going to be the pick.
 

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Since Luke Joeckel, Eric Fisher, Lane Johnson, and Jarvis Jones will probably be off the board when #7 rolls around, it makes sense to want to move down to stockpile picks.

But it takes two to tango, and I feel like the Cardinals are dancing with themselves.

I can't remember whom, but someone made reference to the fact that this year's draft is a "buyer's market" for trading up or down. It would seem that there are more teams willing to trade down than there are teams wanting to trade up.
 

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Do we really want to lose our 3rd round pick though? I think we have too many holes to fill to move up 4 spots and lose our 3rd

Moving up or down in the draft is always a dangerous proposition to me except in special cases like a player who says he will not sign with you if drafted. Generally speaking I am for staying where we are and getting the BPA if he fits a need. QBs is a special category. If you can get a real good one I say forget the need and take the QB as real good ones are very hard to find. You can make a safe bet if you bet one of these QBs will be a starting NFL QB within 2-3 years. Which one no one really knows. If Tyler Wilson is their in round 3 I take him. A QB makes up about 50% of your total offense. No other one player can even come close to that.
 

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