Cards-10 Seahawks-13: The Ugly, The Ugly, & The Ugly

[NJCardFan]

Seriously folks. There isn't anything positive to take from this game at all. Nothing. No good or bad, just plain ugly. So allow me to list the ugly:


The Ugly

Coaching-For the umpteenth time, this team was ill prepared to play football. No heart, no fire, no urgency, no balls, no guts. This all falls on the head coach. All of it. This team was hand picked by him. The coaching staff was hand picked by him. With each game it becomes more and more evident that he is clueless. All of the success we had in 2007-09 was all due to players picked by Dennis Green(mostly) and the resurgence of Kurt Warner. Once Whiz purged us of those players, this is what we get. What is a shame is that with a better coach, these players might perform. They are professionals and yet their coach does nothing to make them successful. Yes the players must perform, however, the coaching staff must provide a game plan that allows for success. This coach does not know how to do that. That is blatantly obvious.

Execution-The late John McKay was asked in a press conference about what he thought of his team's execution. His response was, "I'm all for it." I feel the same about this team. We have a boatload of money tied up in Kolb and yet the man has no time to throw a football because the offensive line couldn't block my sister. And don't get me started on the defense. And can someone explain to me why our receivers not named Larry Fitzgerald not know where the first down markers are?

Jay Feely-Plain and simple, he stunk up the joint today. Not that those FG tries were gimmies but they are one's he tends to make regularly.

Our Punter-Oy. And to think we cut Ben Graham for this. And I officially take back my statement that punters are a dime a dozen. I couldn't be more wrong.

We Are Now The Worst Team In Football-By losing to the worst team in football.

The NFC West-Crikey. All 4 teams scored a combined 43 points. No wonder the rest of the league laughs at us.

That's all I have. I'm too disgusted to go on but all I know is that Whiz and his cast of clowns he calls coaches need to be fired tomorrow and replace them with a high school football coaching staff. They certainly couldn't do any worse.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

The Good: At least we're not as bad as.....UofA?

 

[Bodha]

Im as pissed and disgusted as any one else, but ill make an attempt at some 'good'.



Peterson - did much better today. Been improving since week 1, always good to see. Also saw him in press alot more today, which is great. Thats his bread and butter, just keep him in press and he'll do fine.

um...


Alfonso smith - For an UFA who wasnt even supposed to be on the team, he put up a respectable showing.


gah..this is getting hard....


K..

no


um...


Fitzgerald - nice catch.

thats about it

 

[NJCardFan]

Seattle gained over 120 yards on the ground today. This is the same team who was averaging 45 yards on the ground. If this doesn't tell you how crappy this team is, nothing is. I'm soooo looking forward to playing Baltimore and Pittsburgh. /sarcasm

Oh, one good thing is that we only committed 2 penalties today.

 

[az1965]

Seattle also did not have a takeaway this season until today.

 

[Krangodnzr]

1) I definitely agree on the coaching. We farted away 4+ possessions in the second half. This is one of those games that I don't feel we were beaten by a better team, and I don't even think that Pete Carroll outcoached Whisenhunt. I think they outcoached themselves. Horrible.

2) Why didn't we adjust sooner during the Seahawks TD drive? We weren't getting pressure with 3-4 man rushes and Jackson had already proven earlier that he completely collapses under pressure. So we let them drive NEARLY the length of the field and score before making an adjustment. That was ridiculous.

3) Pass defense looks like it's improving. Sure the Seahawks are terrible, but Peterson and Jefferson were in position consistently. Jefferson is the best pass defender on the roster. If we had 4 Jeffersons, our pass defense would actually be good. Seattle didn't do much to beat us through the air. Hell Seattle didn't do much offensively to beat us period. They are a horrible offense, and I believe that more after seeing this game. But horrible offenses can make things happen when defenses don't adjust to what they scheme.

4) This team doesn't have a single OLB worth playing. I said in the offseason that the Cardinals should move to a 4-3 and draft Robert Quinn but meh that wasn't going to happen. I remain convinced this team would be a much better 4-3 than 3-4. All we would be missing is a RE as opposed to not having a SOLB AND WOLB. We'd have Daryl Washington at WLB, Bradley at the MLB, and Lenon at SLB. Not a terrible LB corps. Docket at UT, Williams at NT, Campbell at LE; very good 3/4s of a DL for a 4-3.

5) Kolb's stat line didn't look too good, but I don't put this game on him. We had plenty of opportunities to win, but the playcalling wasn't there. Neither was the execution, but I didn't feel like we were attacking Seattle's formations (run heavy) enough to win in the second half. This is why when fans say that we need to run the ball, I generally scoff.

Most of the time when we abandon the run, we are doing so to to exploit more favorable passing matchups. Until teams line up to stop the pass, we should throw, throw, and throw. You ride the strength of your team, don't play to your weaknesses. We did that in the second half today. IMO we ran the ball to often in situations that favored the Seattle defense.

 

[Chopper0080]

No positives? How about the defense that held a division foe at home to 261 yards and 13 points. How about the 4 sacks our defense had? How about the 2 penalties that we had?

This was a very disappointing loss, but it wasn't demoralizing at all. We did come out with fire and passion. We did put ourselves in another position to win a game at the end. Kolb didn't play well today, but he will learn from it and will be a better QB for it in the end.

 

[kerouac9]

Krang, your propping up of A.J. Jefferson is getting sadder and sadder. He was picked on continually yesterday, and did absolutely nothing to stop Sidney Rice (to the tune of 9 receptions for 109 yards). We'd be just as bad a secondary with 4 A.J. Jeffersons as we would be with 4 Michael Adams. This was just the first game where a team decided to pick on Jefferson instead of Peterson, and it turns out that both are soft targets.

So every one of those third down failures (we were something like 2 for 15 yesterday) are either on the offensive line or the coaches? None of them were on Kolb? Like when we had 2nd and 1 and couldn't convert the 1st down?

 

[NJCardFan]

No positives? How about the defense that held a division foe at home to 261 yards and 13 points. How about the 4 sacks our defense had? How about the 2 penalties that we had?

This was a very disappointing loss, but it wasn't demoralizing at all. We did come out with fire and passion. We did put ourselves in another position to win a game at the end. Kolb didn't play well today, but he will learn from it and will be a better QB for it in the end.

I guess you just read the first post and skipped right to your response instead of reading everything? Because I mentioned the lack of penalties. But the defense? Again, as I said above, we gave up over 120 rushing yards to a team averaging 45 yards in the first 2 games so no, the defense was not a positive, 4 sacks and all.

 

[NJCardFan]

Krang, your propping up of A.J. Jefferson is getting sadder and sadder. He was picked on continually yesterday, and did absolutely nothing to stop Sidney Rice (to the tune of 9 receptions for 109 yards). We'd be just as bad a secondary with 4 A.J. Jeffersons as we would be with 4 Michael Adams. This was just the first game where a team decided to pick on Jefferson instead of Peterson, and it turns out that both are soft targets.

So every one of those third down failures (we were something like 2 for 15 yesterday) are either on the offensive line or the coaches? None of them were on Kolb? Like when we had 2nd and 1 and couldn't convert the 1st down?

I want to know why we even carry a fullback. 2nd-1 and we run outside? How about slamming our RB up the guy with our FB leading the way?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Krang, your propping up of A.J. Jefferson is getting sadder and sadder. He was picked on continually yesterday, and did absolutely nothing to stop Sidney Rice (to the tune of 9 receptions for 109 yards). We'd be just as bad a secondary with 4 A.J. Jeffersons as we would be with 4 Michael Adams. This was just the first game where a team decided to pick on Jefferson instead of Peterson, and it turns out that both are soft targets.

So Sidney Rice isn't a legitimate receiver in the NFL? Last I checked he's a pretty good player and if you play zone against him he's going to make some catches. The problem is if you're going to play zone, you have to get consistent pressure. We did at times yesterday, but it still wasn't consistent.

Furthermore, the scheme didn't help him much. He was single covering him throughout the game, unlike how Seattle doubled up Fitzgerald the entire game. That's coaching. We let Seattles only legitimate playmaking threat at WR run wild on a second year corner. Not exactly great coaching there if you ask me.

So every one of those third down failures (we were something like 2 for 15 yesterday) are either on the offensive line or the coaches? None of them were on Kolb? Like when we had 2nd and 1 and couldn't convert the 1st down?

LOL reading comprehension 101. I didn't even mention the OL.

Kolb didn't play well, but look at the playcalling in the second half, and it was absolutely ridiculous. Kolb didn't execute, but running out there in so many 2 TE sets when the obvious strength of this team is 4 WR shotgun is horrible coaching.

I'm souring on Whisenhunt. I said I'd give him this year after the roster collapse last season. Well, he's been thoroughly outcoached the past two weeks. Shanahan is still a great coach, but getting outcoached by Pete Carroll? Ridiculous.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Seattle gained over 120 yards on the ground today. This is the same team who was averaging 45 yards on the ground. If this doesn't tell you how crappy this team is, nothing is. I'm soooo looking forward to playing Baltimore and Pittsburgh. /sarcasm

Oh, one good thing is that we only committed 2 penalties today.

There will be 25 teams, come Tuesday morning, that will have given up more points than the Cards. It's about POINTS! not yards.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Kicking game has gone to pot since we lost Ben.

I didn't get it at the time and I don't get it now.

Jay isn't the same...and we now can't pin anyone inside the 20.....just back to kicking it in the end zone.

And what is the deal with the kickoffs...not a single one kicked through the end zone...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Kicking game has gone to pot since we lost Ben.

I didn't get it at the time and I don't get it now.

Jay isn't the same...and we now can't pin anyone inside the 20.....just back to kicking it in the end zone.

And what is the deal with the kickoffs...not a single one kicked through the end zone...

Ben lost his "hang time" over the last year or so, and that's more important in the grand scheme than pooch kicks.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Ben lost his "hang time" over the last year or so, and that's more important in the grand scheme than pooch kicks.

Yep, but unfortunately Zastudil isn't doing any better.

I do laugh at suggestions that Graham was a good punter though. He was only good at pinning opponents, but if it was a long punt he tended to severely outkick the coverage teams.

 

[WildBB]

1) I definitely agree on the coaching. We farted away 4+ possessions in the second half. This is one of those games that I don't feel we were beaten by a better team, and I don't even think that Pete Carroll outcoached Whisenhunt. I think they outcoached themselves. Horrible.

2) Why didn't we adjust sooner during the Seahawks TD drive? We weren't getting pressure with 3-4 man rushes and Jackson had already proven earlier that he completely collapses under pressure. So we let them drive NEARLY the length of the field and score before making an adjustment. That was ridiculous.

3) Pass defense looks like it's improving. Sure the Seahawks are terrible, but Peterson and Jefferson were in position consistently. Jefferson is the best pass defender on the roster. If we had 4 Jeffersons, our pass defense would actually be good. Seattle didn't do much to beat us through the air. Hell Seattle didn't do much offensively to beat us period. They are a horrible offense, and I believe that more after seeing this game. But horrible offenses can make things happen when defenses don't adjust to what they scheme.

4) This team doesn't have a single OLB worth playing. I said in the offseason that the Cardinals should move to a 4-3 and draft Robert Quinn but meh that wasn't going to happen. I remain convinced this team would be a much better 4-3 than 3-4. All we would be missing is a RE as opposed to not having a SOLB AND WOLB. We'd have Daryl Washington at WLB, Bradley at the MLB, and Lenon at SLB. Not a terrible LB corps. Docket at UT, Williams at NT, Campbell at LE; very good 3/4s of a DL for a 4-3.

5) Kolb's stat line didn't look too good, but I don't put this game on him. We had plenty of opportunities to win, but the playcalling wasn't there. Neither was the execution, but I didn't feel like we were attacking Seattle's formations (run heavy) enough to win in the second half. This is why when fans say that we need to run the ball, I generally scoff.

Most of the time when we abandon the run, we are doing so to to exploit more favorable passing matchups. Until teams line up to stop the pass, we should throw, throw, and throw. You ride the strength of your team, don't play to your weaknesses. We did that in the second half today. IMO we ran the ball to often in situations that favored the Seattle defense.

I didn't (could'nt) watch the game, but this is a good breakdown. From what I gather the coaching staff didn't take the necessary steps to take this game from Seattle. Playing to try not to lose / keep it close.

 

[JC_AZ]

Russ Grim has produced SQUAT since becoming OL Coach-Asst OC... and likely accountable for our current choice of OL personnel...fire him and let him take HIS OT's with him... OC play calling sucked and predictable... maybe Mazzone would like to change home fields in the valley

 

[NJCardFan]

There will be 25 teams, come Tuesday morning, that will have given up more points than the Cards. It's about POINTS! not yards.

You really don't know the sport of football do you. Yes the ultimate goal is to score more points but having a ground game is about ball control. The Seahags were at the bottom of the NFL in rushing and nearly doubled their average against us. When you can rush the ball consistently, you win football games. They controlled the game, we didn't. Simple as that. Couple that with piss poor play calling and we get a loss in a game where we should have dominated offensively. Yes it comes down to execution, however, the gameplan has to give your team a chance to win. The offensive play calling looked like Whiz was simulating plays on Madden and sending them in. There is no excuse to not be able to convert 2nd and 1's against a team who's rush defense is suspect. And passing on 3rd and 1 is plain idiocy. So, IMO, the loss was due to:

Poor gameplan
Poor play calling
Lax defense in the 3rd quarter
Execution

 

[NJCardFan]

I didn't (could'nt) watch the game, but this is a good breakdown. From what I gather the coaching staff didn't take the necessary steps to take this game from Seattle. Playing to try not to lose / keep it close.

Which has been Whiz's approach since day 1. This attitude almost cost us a spot in the Super Bowl, ultimately cost us the Super Bowl, nearly cost us a win in the wild card playoff game against GB, not to mention several regular season games most notably the Titans game in '09 and the past 2 weeks. Whiz is too timid to be an NFL coach. We need a coach with some cajones.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

]You really don't know the sport of football do you.[/B] Yes the ultimate goal is to score more points but having a ground game is about ball control. The Seahags were at the bottom of the NFL in rushing and nearly doubled their average against us. When you can rush the ball consistently, you win football games. They controlled the game, we didn't. Simple as that. Couple that with piss poor play calling and we get a loss in a game where we should have dominated offensively. Yes it comes down to execution, however, the gameplan has to give your team a chance to win. The offensive play calling looked like Whiz was simulating plays on Madden and sending them in. There is no excuse to not be able to convert 2nd and 1's against a team who's rush defense is suspect. And passing on 3rd and 1 is plain idiocy. So, IMO, the loss was due to:

Poor gameplan
Poor play calling
Lax defense in the 3rd quarter
Execution

Of course, I will defer to your self described superior knowledge of the game, as should we all. I know enough about sport, generally, to know that's it's about more points on the board than the opposition.

All other points are subject of debate, but, fact remains that the Cards won the time of possession in this game, and were in position to tie or win.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Of course, I will defer to your self described superior knowledge of the game, as should we all. I know enough about sport, generally, to know that's it's about more points on the board than the opposition.

dude, the only thing your posts consistently show is that you know almost NOTHING about the sport.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No positives? How about the defense that held a division foe at home to 261 yards and 13 points. How about the 4 sacks our defense had? How about the 2 penalties that we had?

This was a very disappointing loss, but it wasn't demoralizing at all.

battered fan syndrome.

 

[Shane]

battered fan syndrome.

Gonna come to anymore games?

 

[desertdawg]

Ugliest thing I seen yesterday was how the D kept letting TJ roll right bootleg over and over. He can throw well running to his right, to his left he sucks balls, he'd rather run it (and did and scored). That bootleg brought them back in the game, should have nipped it in the bud when it started.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

dude, the only thing your posts consistently show is that you know almost NOTHING about the sport.

Who's talking to you?

And don't "dude" me you sanctimonious little "p***k!